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UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!

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The Zlax45 said:
So where is this media article that got all the facts wrong? It is extremely difficult to win a court case against a media outlet as you have to prove they got the facts wrong on purpose.
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This is the article I personally read where it clearly states he 'admitted' to assaulting a woman...now, not sure if this is the smoking gun in question by the family but this is what was reported:

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20141206/GJNEWS_01/141209531

ps and of course there were other stories, many, who reported the initial story from the police reports INCLUDING the New Hampshire, student newspaper, in addition to this one.
 
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C-H-C said:
Do you have more information on the degree to which he "resisted arrest"?
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No, but http://www.cohenwinters.com/pages/resisting-arrest/

New Hampshire criminal law makes it illegal to resist arrest. This crime is defined in RSA 642:2 and prohibits knowingly or purposely resisting arrest or detention by a law enforcement officer (this includes, state police, local police and probation officers). It does not matter if the reason for the arrest or detention is valid. Even if a law enforcement officer is attempting to arrest someone for a crime they are later acquitted of, the resisting arrest charge could still be valid.

Any amount of resistance, however slight, will constitute resisting arrest. That being said, verbal protestations alone will not be considered resisting arrest (although they could support a crime like criminal threatening, or disorderly conduct depending on what is said and the circumstances). Resisting arrest is a misdemeanor unless it causes serious bodily injury in which case it can be charged as a felony.
 
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It's astounding the things you've chosen to take issue with, Chuck. You don't seem to have any problem with the fact that this woman's accusation was completely discredited, or with the fact that Foster's completely misrepresented the results of Casey DeSmith's court hearing in a way that was clearly aimed at leading readers to believe that he was guilty of a crime he'd been found not responsible for. I guess you feel that those kinds of things are ok -- or at least excusable -- but defending one's self against vicious accusations is not.

I suggest you read the police reports and statements from eyewitnesses, as I have. If you did, perhaps you'd have a bit more sympathy for a student who was, judging from all the objective evidence, shafted.

No one is suggesting that being that drunk is an excuse for anything. Casey took full responsibility for his actions and issued apologies to all concerned, including the police, with hours of his arrest. But again, I find it interesting that you attempt to characterize him as deficient in personal accountability and responsibility but say nothing about his accuser or the media. Don't they have a personal responsibility not to lie or print misrepresentations of fact? Whose crime is bigger, Chuck? The kid who's trying to defend himself and clear his name when he finally gets a chance to -- or the woman whose actions and apparent lies led to his arrest and the media who have printed blatant mistruths about the outcome of the investigations? Casey issued apologies to everyone. I have yet to see an apology from the woman, or from Foster's. Perhaps you should have a chat with them. But before you do, please consult an attorney, who will be sure to confirm that making false statements to police and slandering people in the newspapers are crimes for which not just civil but criminal penalties can be issued. They are crimes, and far more serious offenses than the single disorderly conduct violation that Casey DeSmith pleaded guilty to.
 
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UNH Wildcats Fan said:
It's astounding the things you've chosen to take issue with, Chuck. You don't seem to have any problem with the fact that this woman's accusation was completely discredited, or with the fact that Foster's completely misrepresented the results of Casey DeSmith's court hearing in a way that was clearly aimed at leading readers to believe that he was guilty of a crime he'd been found not responsible for. I guess you feel that those kinds of things are ok -- or at least excusable -- but defending one's self against vicious accusations is not.

I suggest you read the police reports and statements from eyewitnesses, as I have. If you did, perhaps you'd have a bit more sympathy for a student who was, judging from all the objective evidence, shafted.

No one is suggesting that being that drunk is an excuse for anything. Casey took full responsibility for his actions and issued apologies to all concerned, including the police, with hours of his arrest. But again, I find it interesting that you attempt to characterize him as deficient in personal accountability and responsibility but say nothing about his accuser or the media. Don't they have a personal responsibility not to lie or print misrepresentations of fact? Whose crime is bigger, Chuck? The kid who's trying to defend himself and clear his name when he finally gets a chance to -- or the woman whose actions and apparent lies led to his arrest and the media who have printed blatant mistruths about the outcome of the investigations? Casey issued apologies to everyone. I have yet to see an apology from the woman, or from Foster's. Perhaps you should have a chat with them. But before you do, please consult an attorney, who will be sure to confirm that making false statements to police and slandering people in the newspapers are crimes for which not just civil but criminal penalties can be issued. They are crimes, and far more serious offenses than the single disorderly conduct violation that Casey DeSmith pleaded guilty to.
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I have one q for you..can ANYONE read said police / eye witness reports you speak of...and if so, I'd be interested. Please come forth with the info/avenue to access said reports. Thank you.
 
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There is a lot of information about that contained in the police reports, including the fact that by the time police arrived he was unable to walk or stand and could not recognize who was speaking to him. They also say that he had lost consciousness by the time he was taken to the hospital. In that condition, the idea that anyone could respond to commands from police or anyone else becomes pretty ludicrous.

On the day after the incident, Casey DeSmith wrote personal letters of apology to every police officer that he had come into contact with. And in his Dec. 4th hearing in Dover District Court, he pleaded not guilty to resisting arrest and was not found guilty of that charge.
 
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HockeyRef said:
I have one q for you..can ANYONE read said police / eye witness reports you speak of...and if so, I'd be interested. Please come forth with the info/avenue to access said reports. Thank you.
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The Durham Police website states this:

How do I get a copy of a police report or an accident report?
You must come to the Records Unit at Police Headquarters at 505 West Chapel Hill St. Reports are available on weekdays between 7:30 a.m. and 5 p.m. You can also call the Records Unit at (919) 560-4423 to get a copy of a report faxed to you.

Their web address is:

http://www.durhampolice.com/

Sometimes, police will deny access to police reports and other related documents such as interviews with witnesses until an investigation has been completed or a case adjudicated. In this situation, I would guess that all documents should be available to the public now. Having looked at the documents in this case, I found the ones that shed the most light on things were: the accuser's two statements, one handwritten on the night of the incident and the other her forensic interview as reported by Durham PD Detective Kelly; and the testimonies of two eyewitness, Hannah Frantz and Kevin Goumas. The discrepancies between their accounts makes for some very interesting reading.
 
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UNH Wildcats Fan said:
There is a lot of information about that contained in the police reports, including the fact that by the time police arrived he was unable to walk or stand and could not recognize who was speaking to him. They also say that he had lost consciousness by the time he was taken to the hospital. In that condition, the idea that anyone could respond to commands from police or anyone else becomes pretty ludicrous.

On the day after the incident, Casey DeSmith wrote personal letters of apology to every police officer that he had come into contact with. And in his Dec. 4th hearing in Dover District Court, he pleaded not guilty to resisting arrest and was not found guilty of that charge.
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So as a health teacher sounds like the info you provided...and with Chuck's comments on CDS's state of intoxication, he could have been, in a black out. Which means you don't remember, or can't recall, what happened during said black out. Not saying this was the case, but it sure creates speculation about just what he actually knows/remembers. Just saying. So...looking for that police report info. If you are privy to them, why not the general population? To me sounds like a couple of drunk kids, surrounded by potentially OTHER drunk kids...with nothing better to do on a college campus. Lessons come **** hard and believe me, I know, and it's never good, sadly.
 
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UNH Wildcats Fan said:
The Durham Police website states this:

How do I get a copy of a police report or an accident report?
You must come to the Records Unit at Police Headquarters at 505 West Chapel Hill St. Reports are available on weekdays between 7:30 a.m. and 5 p.m. You can also call the Records Unit at (919) 560-4423 to get a copy of a report faxed to you.

Their web address is:

http://www.durhampolice.com/

Sometimes, police will deny access to police reports and other related documents such as interviews with witnesses until an investigation has been completed or a case adjudicated. In this situation, I would guess that all documents should be available to the public now. Having looked at the documents in this case, I found the ones that shed the most light on things were: the accuser's two statements, one handwritten on the night of the incident and the other her forensic interview as reported by Durham PD Detective Kelly; and the testimonies of two eyewitness, Hannah Frantz and Kevin Goumas. The discrepancies between their accounts makes for some very interesting reading.
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Thank you for providing this information, and, I'm assuming this is how you got this info yourself?
 
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UNH Wildcats Fan, I am not reposting, but thanks for your original post.

Not all "self-professed Wildcats fan(s) could be (were) so cynical and venomous". Initially, I took a wait and see position, started leaning to Casey's defense as I heard snippets contrary to what was reported. I don't know Casey or his family, but people whose character and judgment I have the utmost respect for do.

Casey's dismissal from the team is rough, especially since he has been a long time fan of the team and understood what UNH Hockey means to the community as much has anyone who ever played for the 'cats. I will always remember his acknowledgment of the "Hey Desmith, we're all behind you" cheer from the student section. However, I do not take issue with his dismissal from the team. Mock Coach if you want, but UNH athletes, who are the University's public representatives, are held to a higher standard. Is every athlete penalized for every misdeed? No, but in these times with they way this story broke I think UNH did the right thing, erring on the side of public relations caution.

There is no question that Casey was and should not have been completely and inexcusably over intoxicated, but it is looking more and more like that was his only mistake. Reemphasis on inexcusable, but considering my and countless other students (including hockey players) college recreational behavior (most of mine is amusing to those who find Animal House funny), I am giving him the benefit of the ever shrinking doubt.
 
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HockeyRef said:
Thank you for providing this information, and, I'm assuming this is how you got this info yourself?
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It is time to move on. Casey DeSmith is not the first college athlete to make a mistake and embarrass himself, his teammates, and his family. He's only 23 years old. It may not seem so at the moment but he's got plenty of time to atone for this unfortunate incident. The fact of the matter is that he has been reinstated as a student and has the opportunity to finish his degree. From all indications his actions since the arrest have been positive. He has the ability to get beyond this incident, perhaps pursue hockey at the professional level or do something else that is productive for both him and society in general. The takeaway for me is that it is a lesson, a very hard lesson, that one is responsible for the actions that they take.
 
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HockeyRef said:
Well hasn't it been an interesting morning/ afternoon on this board. Again the perspectives from all contribute to the learning curve of the newbie ice hockey enthusiast. (that would be me but it is coming along) That being said..here's something to ask...why/how does a school like BU, get a player like Eichel? Simple answers will do. Here's the fun question: can UNH 'attract' a player of that caliber? Have at it. Oh Darius, I totally agree it's at the 'Whitt. Love going there and there is something to be said about that experience. Keeps me coming back, 'tron or no 'tron.
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Bold #1: 5 national championships, 21 FFs, 12 conference championships, 29 Beanpot titles, numerous alumni in the NHL and professional ranks, substantial institutional support for the hockey program, a fantastic facility/campus/city and a free ride to a prestigious institution with a far reaching and influential alumni base.

Bold # 2: rarely, especially if the recruit prefers a city campus. See response to bold # 1. :)

My recent visit to Yost and the MI athletic campus resets and increases my appreciation of UNH athletics' accomplishments.
 
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Darius said:
Bold #1: 5 national championships, 21 FFs, 12 conference championships, 29 Beanpot titles, numerous alumni in the NHL and professional ranks, substantial institutional support for the hockey program, a fantastic facility/campus/city and a free ride to a prestigious institution with a far reaching and influential alumni base.

Bold # 2: rarely, especially if the recruit prefers a city campus. See response to bold # 1. :)

My recent visit to Yost and the MI athletic campus resets and increases my appreciation of UNH athletics' accomplishments.
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Guess Bold # 1 kind of speaks for itself...:rolleyes: thanks for the reply! I'm sure it's a mix of many things but I guess some of these kids want to get behind programs with the big wins. Welp we do what we can! I think considering many factors, UNH does pretty darn well!! Of course, would love a NC...football?? Go 'Cats!
 
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And if UNH was fortunate enough to land a player of Eichel's caliber he would likely be one and done. More fodder for the cannons of the Umile haters who would complain that he can't keep his players for four years.
 
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Greg A said:
It is time to move on. Casey DeSmith is not the first college athlete to make a mistake and embarrass himself, his teammates, and his family. He's only 23 years old. It may not seem so at the moment but he's got plenty of time to atone for this unfortunate incident. The fact of the matter is that he has been reinstated as a student and has the opportunity to finish his degree. From all indications his actions since the arrest have been positive. He has the ability to get beyond this incident, perhaps pursue hockey at the professional level or do something else that is productive for both him and society in general. The takeaway for me is that it is a lesson, a very hard lesson, that one is responsible for the actions that they take.
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Agree 100% with Greg's sentiments here. And thanks for the *insight*, 'Watcher. Now it all makes sense. ;)
 
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The Dec. 11 article from The New Hampshire on DeSmith pleading not guilty, etc has been removed, now a 404 error <a href="http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/desmith-pleads-not-guilty-charges-tentative-to-be-dropped/">http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/desmith-pleads-not-guilty-charges-tentative-to-be-dropped/</a>

Google Cache of the original article: <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/desmith-pleads-not-guilty-charges-tentative-to-be-dropped/">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/desmith-pleads-not-guilty-charges-tentative-to-be-dropped/</a>


An earlier TNH article that cites Fosters and states DeSmith admitted to the assault remains posted <a href="http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/desmith-admits-to-assault-will-attend-counseling/">http://thenewhampshire.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/desmith-admits-to-assault-will-attend-counseling/</a>
 
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