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UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!

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On Friday night did anyone else notice that whenever the Lowell D was under pressure in their own zone they moved the puck to the front of their own net? No chance of a UNH forward there.

It did strike me the lack of any UNH player parked in front of the net. I also remember at least a couple of times the puck just sitting there with a UNH player getting there too late and either overskating the puck or the puck getting tipped away just in the nick of time.
 
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PT! Local NH (Derry) kid still doing well in hockey.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107793

So many good memories. My favorite was at the NCAA regionals in '09, seated near the benches. Anytime PT got near BU's Jason Lawrence, a fine player, I'd scream "Hit him, PT. He's soft!" Drove the BU fans near me crazy. It's that kind of energy I love the team infusing me with. It doen't happen nearly as much as it used to although I felt a hint of it at the last game vs. NU at the Whit last season.
 
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PT! Local NH (Derry) kid still doing well in hockey.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107793

So many good memories. My favorite was at the NCAA regionals in '09, seated near the benches. Anytime PT got near BU's Jason Lawrence, a fine player, I'd scream "Hit him, PT. He's soft!" Drove the BU fans near me crazy. It's that kind of energy I love the team infusing me with. It doen't happen nearly as much as it used to although I felt a hint of it at the last game vs. NU at the Whit last season.

So you're 'that fan' :D Love it! Now you are getting me all nostalgic, what, with my 1.5 seasons behind my belt, talking about that NU series! ;) Ah, the good ole days! I have read about what you all talk about with these players and tournaments; they are grand stories to be sure! I believe a new story is going to be told with this team..can't imagine why not. Yep, cheerleadin'. :p
 
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One concern I have is that thru 2 conference games the 3 shots on goal leaders on the UNH team are Boyd, Quast, and Pesce. Wait what?!?

2 games is a small sample, but to not have a single forward among the top THREE in shots on net after any number of games is pretty embarrassing IMO. You can say what you will about SOG being meaningless, but when you aren't generating any it means you are either not very good, or you are not competing very hard to get to those 2nd and 3rd opportunities.

There's any number of ways at looking at this. Let's not lose track of the simple fact that Lowell (the opposition in the small sample) usually tries to force opponents out to the edges in their defensive zone, and denies space in the slot and between the dots. So to see UNH defensemen racking up (yes, meaningless) SOG's from the perimeter is hardly shocking stuff. I think we've seen this pattern in the past games between these two teams, and clearly that was the case again this weekend. We don't need stats to tell us that - you can see it with your own eyes as plain as day, although I will grant you that in this case, the stats seem to reinforce the point. BUT:

* While we can wail and gnash our teeth about a lack of "2nd and 3rd opportunities", their existence can't be taken for granted. What if the opposing goalie takes most (if not all) of the perimeter shots cleanly, and rebounds are at a minimum?

* And my all-time favorite ... you can theoretically generate quality opportunities in the slot (granted UNH did not in either game last weekend), but if you miss the target OR even ring it off the iron, you aren't getting credit for a SOG.

Sometimes the so-called advanced analytics can gack up a kernel of truth, but I guess my point is you don't need stats to tell you what your eyes can easily see. And UNH teams historically lacking a strong physical presence in front of the opponent's goal is not exactly a news flash. And when two of your most willing netfront combatants are diminutive players like Willows and Kelleher, I think it's fair to ask the question of the larger forwards on why they aren't spending more productive time in those hard areas?

Just another aspect of the game worth watching to see if it develops as the younger players begin to settle in ...
 
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Good analysis, Chuck. I have not actually seen any games yet, but will do so soon; just looking at box scores, where SOG, for better or for worse, are prominently displayed (no smiley face, by request).
 
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* While we can wail and gnash our teeth about a lack of "2nd and 3rd opportunities", their existence can't be taken for granted. What if the opposing goalie takes most (if not all) of the perimeter shots cleanly, and rebounds are at a minimum?

Teams that go to the net hard and compete in those tough areas get 2nd and 3rd chances regularly.

I don't care if you put Terry Sawchuk, Ken Dryden, or Patrick Roy in net...if they can't see the puck, or if it's regularly changing direction on the way to the net, they aren't going to handle most if not all of the shots cleanly.

I don't think it matters how you look at that stat...one way or the other it shows a serious lack of commitment and compete level by the forwards during that weekend series.
 
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We're going to politely crash the party on Friday. What's good food/drink options close to the Whittemore?
 
We're going to politely crash the party on Friday. What's good food/drink options close to the Whittemore?

Most people head to Libby's on the Main Street; there's also a great little spot behind there in the Rite Aid strip mall called Bella's which has killer cocktails and decent food. There's also a Chinese restaurant in that same general area .If you're into Mexican fare there's Mixteca Mexican Food and Margaritas. All of these fill up early and are in walking distance to the Whitt. Best pre game atmosphere? Libby's IMHO. Welcome to Durham!
 
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Most people head to Libby's on the Main Street; there's also a great little spot behind there in the Rite Aid strip mall called Bella's which has killer cocktails and decent food. There's also a Chinese restaurant in that same general area .If you're into Mexican fare there's Mixteca Mexican Food and Margaritas. All of these fill up early and are in walking distance to the Whitt. Best pre game atmosphere? Libby's IMHO. Welcome to Durham!

Sounds like Libby's FTW :).

Thanks!
 
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There is a decent Thai restaurant across from Mixteca. Both are on a small side street (alley) located in the middle of the downtown area. For basement dives (don't) try the Knot. Best Pizza is probably Wildcat. Bella's is a great spot, get there early. Libby's is solid, does have the best pre-game atmosphere, last I heard it was the players' parents pre-game hangout. Formerly Nick's and the Keg Room, has the most history. 5¢ draughts back in the day.
 
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There's any number of ways at looking at this. Let's not lose track of the simple fact that Lowell (the opposition in the small sample) usually tries to force opponents out to the edges in their defensive zone, and denies space in the slot and between the dots. So to see UNH defensemen racking up (yes, meaningless) SOG's from the perimeter is hardly shocking stuff.

Quast rang one off the post from the "perimeter". If that had gone in, would you consider that a "meaningless" SOG?

Slap shots from the point create opportunities in front if they get through, no? Gaudreault scored off a Boyd slap shot from the point in the CC game IIRC. Not sure what you consider meaningful SOG!
 
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There is a decent Thai restaurant across from Mixteca. Both are on a small side street (alley) located in the middle of the downtown area. For basement dives (don't) try the Knot. Best Pizza is probably Wildcat. Bella's is a great spot, get there early. Libby's is solid, does have the best pre-game atmosphere, last I heard it was the players' parents pre-game hangout. Formerly Nick's and the Keg Room, has the most history. 5¢ draughts back in the day.

Ahhhhhh, Nick's.... My band played there regularly from '89-'91. Libby was the manager. There was nothing like pounding the drums for three hours, drinking too many pints, and then having Libby slip you a couple weeks of beer/pizza money at the end of the night for all the hard "work". Felt like grand theft, to be honest. With the quality of our cover band, come to think of it, it WAS grand theft.

Still a video feed for purchase on wildcat athletic network? Looks like that's my only chance to see games live this year. I need to evaluate the quality of our SOG - smiley omitted
 
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Ahhhhhh, Nick's.... My band played there regularly from '89-'91. Libby was the manager. There was nothing like pounding the drums for three hours, drinking too many pints, and then having Libby slip you a couple weeks of beer/pizza money at the end of the night for all the hard "work". Felt like grand theft, to be honest. With the quality of our cover band, come to think of it, it WAS grand theft.

Still a video feed for purchase on wildcat athletic network? Looks like that's my only chance to see games live this year. I need to evaluate the quality of our SOG - smiley omitted

Yes: http://unhwildcats.tv/ Also the game(s) is/are going to be broadcast on Fox College Sports Pacific...as per the unhwildcats.com site.
 
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BTW are any of you going to the Sat. night Pregame Burrito Alumni party at the Alumni Center?
 
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Teams that go to the net hard and compete in those tough areas get 2nd and 3rd chances regularly.

Yes, teams that go to the net and compete in those tough areas get 2nd and 3rd chances. Sometimes. And sometimes the opponent has a defensive system in place to limit access to those areas. Lowell has been one of those teams, and for several seasons now.

The idea that this all happens "regularly" or that it's something you can impose upon a static, boilerplate opponent is laughable. Like all other aspects of the game, this is all subject to strategy and systems. And some teams are better at their systems than others.

I don't care if you put Terry Sawchuk, Ken Dryden, or Patrick Roy in net...if they can't see the puck, or if it's regularly changing direction on the way to the net, they aren't going to handle most if not all of the shots cleanly.

Before we get too far off point, please understand that I'm near (if not at) the front of the line of folks on here who think UNH forwards have tended to have a history of playing *soft* in the hard areas. So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that UNH can benefit from getting more active in the dirty/greasy areas of the opponent's defensive zone. I just don't buy into your small sample snapshot serving as some kind of revelation. In fact, it is EXACTLY what I'd expect to see when a highly organized defensive team that pays a premium on effort in the middle of the ice comes up against a fast/young/inexperienced team getting their feet wet in D-1 hockey at a program that traditionally has had *soft* tendencies in their offensive zone play.

Not every team has a Tomas Holmstrom to stand in front of an opposing goalie consistently, willing to take the punishment from pucks, sticks and opponents' hits. But even a guy like Holmstrom needed to have talented guys around him to get the puck to the net so he could do his thing. And I'm pretty sure that Pesce, Boyd and Quast :eek: or Downing, Willows and Eiserman aren't going to be confused with Lidstrom, Kronwall, Chelios and Rafalski (and others) - not to mention Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Yzerman, Fedorov, etc. - anytime soon.

You do realize that deflections and redirections don't all necessarily end up going on goal, correct? And you do realize that a team like Lowell puts a premium on clearing out obstacles in front of their goal, and gives their goalies a better look at pucks from the perimeter, which is - you know - what their overall defensive system is trying to accomplish, right?

I don't think it matters how you look at that stat...one way or the other it shows a serious lack of commitment and compete level by the forwards during that weekend series.

As much as I'd like to embrace that argument, I think it's WAY too easy to regurgitate a box score, pluck out a couple of numbers, and then try to make it fit into a general conclusion. If this same pattern continues against a less defensively proficient program than UML in the coming weeks - say, for example, Northeastern - then I'll be happy to join into your conclusions. e-cat points out that UNH got some greasy goals against a defensively weak Colorado College squad. And he is correct. No two opponents are identical, and looking at the system Lowell has used these last few seasons, in comparison to how CC is playing this year, those are two polar opposites, no?

Speaking of good ol' e.cat ... this brings us back to our never-ending and always enlightening ;) SOG debate ...

Quast rang one off the post from the "perimeter". If that had gone in, would you consider that a "meaningless" SOG?

Depends on what the score was (or would have been) at the time, at least to my thinking, e.cat. Wasn't that on Friday?

Slap shots from the point create opportunities in front if they get through, no? Gaudreault scored off a Boyd slap shot from the point in the CC game IIRC. Not sure what you consider meaningful SOG!

That's an easy question, e.cat. Meaningful SOG's are the ones that actually go IN, and those count on the only part of the scoreboard that really, truly matters.

You guys know I'm a "get the lead, and then impose your system" kind of guy in this debate. Both games last weekend fell into that pattern, but the Saturday game was the most striking due to the exaggerated score, and the SOG disconnect:

* Game was tied for the first 9 minutes (I'm rounding here, folks);
* Lowell took a one goal lead, and then had it up to a two goal lead within a minute;
* UNH cut the lead to a single goal a few minutes later, but Lowell answered 34 seconds later; :eek:
* Lowell would spend the final 46+ minutes ahead by more than one goal;
* Lowell would spend the final 42+ minutes ahead by at least three goals;
* Lowell would spend all but a single minute of the final 22+ minutes ahead by at least four goals

Nevertheless, UNH would outshoot Lowell 29-21 over the course of the entire game, and by 23-12 over the final two periods - you know, when they were down by at least 3 goals - all while Lowell outscored them 4-1 during all that UNH *dominance*. :rolleyes:

But to you committed devotees of the SOG, I do have some excellent news for you. I have found another stat that approaches the true irrelevance of the SOG ... and ironically enough, it may be the GWG :eek:, at least as it is awarded in most hockey leagues. Some 4th line freshman forward scores their first career goal midway into the first period to give Lowell a 3-1 lead ... and THAT becomes a GWG just because UNH manages to score a garbage goal in the 3rd period?? :confused:

Does EVERY game have to have a GWG, and if so, why? Is this something that offers insight, as currently constituted??

Tell me about the guys who score postseason OT goals, or who score go-ahead goals late in a game, and MAYBE it tells me something.

Hockey talk used to be a LOT more fun (and insightful) until the Moneyball brigade arrived (not you guys BTW).

Now git off ma lawn, you whippahsnappahs!!! :mad: ;) JMHO.
 
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Mueller, the freshman (who scored the GWG) is currently a first pairing defenseman. Not that it changed anything you said.
 
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In Hendrickson's column he quotes Bazin as saying ...."We feel like we’ve got a good workmanlike group."

I need someone to explain to me how any hockey player can be lacking in "workmanlike" qualities? Maybe one bad day now and then sure just like all the rest of us. If you do not have a team with "workmanlike qualities" what is the genesis of this deficit? It is all very mysterious .... is it not.


Read more: http://www.uscho.com/2014/11/06/wor...ell-in-position-for-good-start/#ixzz3II0z3oIZ
 
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Yes, teams that go to the net and compete in those tough areas get 2nd and 3rd chances. Sometimes. And sometimes the opponent has a defensive system in place to limit access to those areas. Lowell has been one of those teams, and for several seasons now.

The idea that this all happens "regularly" or that it's something you can impose upon a static, boilerplate opponent is laughable. Like all other aspects of the game, this is all subject to strategy and systems. And some teams are better at their systems than others.



Before we get too far off point, please understand that I'm near (if not at) the front of the line of folks on here who think UNH forwards have tended to have a history of playing *soft* in the hard areas. So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that UNH can benefit from getting more active in the dirty/greasy areas of the opponent's defensive zone. I just don't buy into your small sample snapshot serving as some kind of revelation. In fact, it is EXACTLY what I'd expect to see when a highly organized defensive team that pays a premium on effort in the middle of the ice comes up against a fast/young/inexperienced team getting their feet wet in D-1 hockey at a program that traditionally has had *soft* tendencies in their offensive zone play.

Not every team has a Tomas Holmstrom to stand in front of an opposing goalie consistently, willing to take the punishment from pucks, sticks and opponents' hits. But even a guy like Holmstrom needed to have talented guys around him to get the puck to the net so he could do his thing. And I'm pretty sure that Pesce, Boyd and Quast :eek: or Downing, Willows and Eiserman aren't going to be confused with Lidstrom, Kronwall, Chelios and Rafalski (and others) - not to mention Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Yzerman, Fedorov, etc. - anytime soon.

You do realize that deflections and redirections don't all necessarily end up going on goal, correct? And you do realize that a team like Lowell puts a premium on clearing out obstacles in front of their goal, and gives their goalies a better look at pucks from the perimeter, which is - you know - what their overall defensive system is trying to accomplish, right?



As much as I'd like to embrace that argument, I think it's WAY too easy to regurgitate a box score, pluck out a couple of numbers, and then try to make it fit into a general conclusion. If this same pattern continues against a less defensively proficient program than UML in the coming weeks - say, for example, Northeastern - then I'll be happy to join into your conclusions. e-cat points out that UNH got some greasy goals against a defensively weak Colorado College squad. And he is correct. No two opponents are identical, and looking at the system Lowell has used these last few seasons, in comparison to how CC is playing this year, those are two polar opposites, no?

Speaking of good ol' e.cat ... this brings us back to our never-ending and always enlightening ;) SOG debate ...



Depends on what the score was (or would have been) at the time, at least to my thinking, e.cat. Wasn't that on Friday?



That's an easy question, e.cat. Meaningful SOG's are the ones that actually go IN, and those count on the only part of the scoreboard that really, truly matters.

You guys know I'm a "get the lead, and then impose your system" kind of guy in this debate. Both games last weekend fell into that pattern, but the Saturday game was the most striking due to the exaggerated score, and the SOG disconnect:

* Game was tied for the first 9 minutes (I'm rounding here, folks);
* Lowell took a one goal lead, and then had it up to a two goal lead within a minute;
* UNH cut the lead to a single goal a few minutes later, but Lowell answered 34 seconds later; :eek:
* Lowell would spend the final 46+ minutes ahead by more than one goal;
* Lowell would spend the final 42+ minutes ahead by at least three goals;
* Lowell would spend all but a single minute of the final 22+ minutes ahead by at least four goals

Nevertheless, UNH would outshoot Lowell 29-21 over the course of the entire game, and by 23-12 over the final two periods - you know, when they were down by at least 3 goals - all while Lowell outscored them 4-1 during all that UNH *dominance*. :rolleyes:

But to you committed devotees of the SOG, I do have some excellent news for you. I have found another stat that approaches the true irrelevance of the SOG ... and ironically enough, it may be the GWG :eek:, at least as it is awarded in most hockey leagues. Some 4th line freshman forward scores their first career goal midway into the first period to give Lowell a 3-1 lead ... and THAT becomes a GWG just because UNH manages to score a garbage goal in the 3rd period?? :confused:

Does EVERY game have to have a GWG, and if so, why? Is this something that offers insight, as currently constituted??

Tell me about the guys who score postseason OT goals, or who score go-ahead goals late in a game, and MAYBE it tells me something.

Hockey talk used to be a LOT more fun (and insightful) until the Moneyball brigade arrived (not you guys BTW).

Now git off ma lawn, you whippahsnappahs!!! :mad: ;) JMHO.

Just shoot me and bury me in the backyard!;)
 
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