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UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!

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Connecticut 3 Union 2. After their win over BC, that finally set me off. Against my better judgment, and approaching my 9,000th post, I finally felt the need to point out the blatantly obvious. Here goes...

Once again this year we seem destined for mediocrity.

I went to my first UNH game 46 years ago. Since then, teams that didn't even have a Division 1 squad have won multiple National Championships. You know the list.

It's not high academic admission standards -- Harvard and Yale have won them. Cornell has won twice.

Want a clean program with high ethical and recruiting standards? Bill Cleary.

It's not location. Where would you rather live -- Durham, Orono, Duluth, Sault Ste. Marie...?

It's not the need to be in a hotbed of hockey interest. UNH is currently ranked 45th in the RPI, Alabama Huntsville is 47th. Nebraska Omaha is 4th

On top of all that, compare Umile's drawing power to McDonnell's.

I know we've come close a couple of times. But as the saying goes, "second is first loser" (ask Bills fans). BC fans on this Board -- 5 recent titles -- used to say that UNH stood for University of No Hardware.

Sorry to **** on everyone's Sunday morning. But at some point interest in the program, particularly among potential recruits, is going to evaporate completely. And that's tragic.

By the way .... UConn has 9 freshmen and it looks like only 10 scholarship players. I actually hope they beat us twice in the next few months and a "walk-out" occurs at the Whitt
 
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By the way .... UConn has 9 freshmen and it looks like only 10 scholarship players. I actually hope they beat us twice in the next few months and a "walk-out" occurs at the Whitt
On the first -- Ouch.

On the second -- as they say in the military, I think it's finally time to "advance to the rear" with Umile. "Promote" to Assistant AD or something, if for no other reason than morale.

Be honest. If you were a top prospect with multiple offers, would you choose UNH? Would anyone else?

So you don't win. Vicious cycle, and the beat goes on.
 
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By the way .... UConn has 9 freshmen and it looks like only 10 scholarship players. I actually hope they beat us twice in the next few months and a "walk-out" occurs at the Whitt

And what would that do? Devastate the team who most likely already bears the weight of a tough season for more than one reason?? You know I have alot of empathy for those of you who have witnessed many years of disappointment really I do. And as a veteran on this board told me when I first started following the team last year "you've picked an interesting time to follow UNH hockey" but man can we remember who we are really talking about here!?! The kids that's who!!! Not the coach. News flash he's not going anywhere soon and despite it all will quite possibly end up with his 550 wins this season like it or not. And yes I know this isn't some high school team we are talking about it's D1 hockey. Still it cannot be easy to go out on that ice and do what they do, knowing that they aren't winning and it's not lost on them. Have you ever talked to Matt Wiliows personally? Heard him say "we want to start winning"? It's **** hard to hear and witness. Yes I am a softie but the last thing this team needs is a freaking fan revolt. The kids deserve much more...Heck don't like the coach shoot hate him if that's what it takes but support the team for God's sake. Rant over. 😝
 
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I actually like this team a bit, and would not want them to lose to U.Conn (nor should they). UNH will not fall off the map like LSSU and Maine, because of its location close to Boston. It has an attractive campus, and good academics to attract kids from Mass, Ontario and BC.

The program has reached its nadir, and is on its way up. Although accountability seems to be only a one-way street with Umile (did we really have to stick with a recruiting coordinator for 11 years who destroyed LSSU and steadily eroded UNH?), and his loyalty to same-aged peers extended to him wasting a new chance to add a decent recruiter to the team 4 years ago when Lassonde left, he did finally made a positive structural change this fall (a new recruiting coach). Liam Blackburn and Joel Farabee seem to speak to some uptick.

For all the times we say Umile is not going anywhere soon, bear in mind he is 66. So change will come soon, one way or the other. Unless the admin screws up the replacement process by hiring a friend of Umile, or a competent technician like Gendron, we should be able to return to the HE top 4.
 
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"News flash he's not going anywhere soon"

Pity. Who get to gets to make that decision?

"Despite it all will quite possibly end up with his 550 wins this season"

Swell. Over 300 losses and 95 ties as well. That at a school where hockey was until recent years by far the best supported sport. Old saying is sports is that stats are for folks who've got little else to talk about.

Two second places in 24 years (and after coaching 946 games ) don't exactly blow my skirt up.
 
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And what would that do? Devastate the team who most likely already bears the weight of a tough season for more than one reason?? You know I have alot of empathy for those of you who have witnessed many years of disappointment really I do. And as a veteran on this board told me when I first started following the team last year "you've picked an interesting time to follow UNH hockey" but man can we remember who we are really talking about here!?! The kids that's who!!! Not the coach. News flash he's not going anywhere soon and despite it all will quite possibly end up with his 550 wins this season like it or not. And yes I know this isn't some high school team we are talking about it's D1 hockey. Still it cannot be easy to go out on that ice and do what they do, knowing that they aren't winning and it's not lost on them. Have you ever talked to Matt Wiliows personally? Heard him say "we want to start winning"? It's **** hard to hear and witness. Yes I am a softie but the last thing this team needs is a freaking fan revolt. The kids deserve much more...Heck don't like the coach shoot hate him if that's what it takes but support the team for God's sake. Rant over. 😝

I second what Watcher has noted ..."I actually like this team a bit..." My support for UNH hockey is approaching one half century.

HERE IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER:

The vast majority of the fans who might engage in any hypothetical "walk-out" know they would not be walking out on the players on the ice ....

The players also would know that they are not the focus of any hypothetical "walk-out".... they absolutely would know this .... on many levels .... just ask them (now).

The leadership behind the bench would never admit to any remote possibility that the hypothetical "walk-out" was aimed in that direction .... hardness of ego does not allow this ....

And the wheel turns and turns .....
 
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I actually like this team a bit, and would not want them to lose to U.Conn (nor should they). UNH will not fall off the map like LSSU and Maine, because of its location close to Boston. It has an attractive campus, and good academics to attract kids from Mass, Ontario and BC.

The program has reached its nadir, and is on its way up. Although accountability seems to be only a one-way street with Umile (did we really have to stick with a recruiting coordinator for 11 years who destroyed LSSU and steadily eroded UNH?), and his loyalty to same-aged peers extended to him wasting a new chance to add a decent recruiter to the team 4 years ago when Lassonde left, he did finally made a positive structural change this fall (a new recruiting coach). Liam Blackburn and Joel Farabee seem to speak to some uptick.

For all the times we say Umile is not going anywhere soon, bear in mind he is 66. So change will come soon, one way or the other. Unless the admin screws up the replacement process by hiring a friend of Umile, or a competent technician like Gendron, we should be able to return to the HE top 4.

I was on board with 90%+ of your post, but it was that last bit that stopped me from giving it a 100% endorsement, 'watcher. Things have changed in Hockey East during the last few seasons, which has seen two of the previous generation's so-called "Big Four" drop out of that top tier. For one, the league has added three programs to its ranks, and although UVM's addition seems a while ago, they have steadily adjusted and consolidated in the most recent seasons, and have made this a tougher league. In addition, as much as I might downplay Notre Dame's standing in the D-1 hockey community, that was at the very least a quality addition to the depth of the league, and now with UConn in the mix, and at least showing some early promise (and yes, I know we said some of the same things about the UMass Amherst program 20 or so years ago), this is now a 12 team league, so being "top 4" goes from being basically a top half team to a top third team.

Ultimately, back in the day, that meant the impact of a "top four" team having a decent-but-not-great regular season wasn't so much dropping from the top four, but just suffering a more challenging first round (home) seeding. Nowadays, that same decent-but-not-great season probably drops you into a home series in the prelim round, and a trip to a top four team to make it to the Garden (and likely to qualify for the NCAA's).

But most importantly ... the world of Hockey East has continued, and the former perennial "top four" status of UNH and UMaine is but a memory at both programs. Certainly UMaine's rise was attached to Walshy, and its continued position amongst the HE elite after he passed can be attributed to his second-in-command Standbrook, and his hand-picked successor Whitehead, and while the latter had his detractors, they were able to extend Walshy's legacy in the Downeast by almost another decade. But that is now over and done with. UNH is on a similar downwards slide - arguably more gradual until this season, but in the end, both are a shadow of what they've been, and it will take some doing to get either of those programs back to among the HE elite.

In the vacuum left behind from the falls of UNH and UMaine, we have seen UMass Lowell rise to prominence under Coach Bazin, and as I've mentioned consistently over the last year-plus, you can dismiss this development as a "fluke" at your peril. It's looking more and more like that program is going to be a fixture at or near the top of HE for years to come. After a transitional "down" year, BU has now returned among the elite (as posters such as you and others had predicted), and that looks likely to continue, given the quality of their new players, the coaching staff, the history of the program, and the great facilities. BC may be struggling (relatively speaking) this year but I don't see that being a long term issue ... yet (noting that Coach York is roughly Coach Umile's age).

So that's three of the "Big Four" spots that are most likely spoken for through the short-term future. Programs at UVM, Providence, and even Merrimack have made significant forward strides to further fill that vacuum, in the absence of UNH and UMaine. I realize UNH did make it to the HE Finals last season, but that was somewhat of an aberration in the program's recent history. I wish I could believe we (UNH) are only a couple of Glenn Stewart recruiting classes away from returning to where the program was a decade ago, but I honestly don't see that happening so quickly. The league is simply deeper now, and UNH is playing catch-up. JMHO.
 
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I second what Watcher has noted ..."I actually like this team a bit..." My support for UNH hockey is approaching one half century.

HERE IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER:

The vast majority of the fans who might engage in any hypothetical "walk-out" know they would not be walking out on the players on the ice ....

The players also would know that they are not the focus of any hypothetical "walk-out".... they absolutely would know this .... on many levels .... just ask them (now).

The leadership behind the bench would never admit to any remote possibility that the hypothetical "walk-out" was aimed in that direction .... hardness of ego does not allow this ....

And the wheel turns and turns .....

Sonar, I hear what you are saying. Like Snively, I kind of "snapped" (duh). Just want to see the team succeed like all the rest of you on this board. Watching the UML v UConn game to get an idea of what UConn is all about (know all about UML, all too well I might add haha). As per decision making at the helm, Snively, no clue who "makes that decision' and as it's been said here, Coach U gets to decide that (at least, from what I gathered from previous posts). He may have his detractors (and, I'm sure there are many) but, he has alot of supporters as well from the events (and not just Friends events) I've attended. Behind the team 100% and excited for the future...but will concede to what Chuck said we are in the "catch up mode" and this is going to take time.

ps here's the UNO press release:
http://www.unhwildcats.com/sports/mice/2014-15/releases/201412283x5h26
 
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"As per decision making at the helm, Snively, no clue who "makes that decision' and as it's been said here, Coach U gets to decide that (at least, from what I gathered from previous posts)."

Seriously? No one else gets to decide when he gets replaced other than himself?

Wow. I want a job like that. Is he a Supreme Court Justice?
 
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"As per decision making at the helm, Snively, no clue who "makes that decision' and as it's been said here, Coach U gets to decide that (at least, from what I gathered from previous posts)."

Seriously? No one else gets to decide when he gets replaced other than himself?

Wow. I want a job like that. Is he a Supreme Court Justice?

hey who wouldn't? ;) I'm only repeating what I've read here in the past regarding the supposed "life time" contract he was given back in the day when he was considering going to UMass. Others with more info can attest to that. Chuck?
 
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"As per decision making at the helm, Snively, no clue who "makes that decision' and as it's been said here, Coach U gets to decide that (at least, from what I gathered from previous posts)."

Seriously? No one else gets to decide when he gets replaced other than himself?

Wow. I want a job like that. Is he a Supreme Court Justice?

Even better. "Lifetime contract", courtesy of former UNH AD Judy Ray. Unless something bad happens on his watch (see Parker, Jack), I'm certain Coach Umile has the final call on his future. Don't shoot the messenger. I used to doubt this myself, but I've since heard it from multiple reliable sources over the years, and I've become convinced it is indeed true.
 
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"I wish I could believe we (UNH) are only a couple of Glenn Stewart recruiting classes away from returning to where the program was a decade ago, but I honestly don't see that happening so quickly. The league is simply deeper now, and UNH is playing catch-up. JMHO.

Agreed. Every recruiting prospect is the equivalent of a free agent. If you were one of the very best (which means you get multiple recruiting offers from top schools), why would you choose UNH over more successful programs and more appealing coaches? And even if you did take a flyer on it, how many of your top prospect peers would do so?

If too few of you do, how do you end up with a freshman class that can complete at the very highest level? The brutal truth is that it's going to be a long hard slog back up to the top. Baby steps. And nice guys though he is, I don't see Umile outpacing his peers in Head Coach sex appeal.

To be fair, someone said that Willows had shared the sentiment that he was "tired of losing", and I respect that. But how does it distinguish him from any other athlete who's ever played any sport at any level?

Man do I feel like Debbie Downer here today. Please contradict me and talk me off the ledge.
 
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Even better. "Lifetime contract", courtesy of former UNH AD Judy Ray. Unless something bad happens on his watch (see Parker, Jack), I'm certain Coach Umile has the final call on his future. Don't shoot the messenger. I used to doubt this myself, but I've since heard it from multiple reliable sources over the years, and I've become convinced it is indeed true.
Ouch. Does that also mean that only ADs get to decide when they retire? Is there a guaranteed lifetime contract, like the days/places where divorces and annulled marriages were illegal? :D
 
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"I wish I could believe we (UNH) are only a couple of Glenn Stewart recruiting classes away from returning to where the program was a decade ago, but I honestly don't see that happening so quickly. The league is simply deeper now, and UNH is playing catch-up. JMHO.

Agreed. Every recruiting prospect is the equivalent of a free agent. If you were one of the very best (which means you get multiple recruiting offers from top schools), why would you choose UNH over more successful programs and more appealing coaches? And even if you did take a flyer on it, how many of your top prospect peers would do so?

If too few of you do, how do you end up with a freshman class that can complete at the very highest level? The brutal truth is that it's going to be a long hard slog back up to the top. Baby steps. And nice guys though he is, I don't see Umile outpacing his peers in Head Coach sex appeal.

To be fair, someone said that Willows had shared the sentiment that he was "tired of losing", and I respect that. But how does it distinguish him from any other athlete who's ever played any sport at any level?

Man do I feel like Debbie Downer here today. Please contradict me and talk me off the ledge.

You can do it...step away from the ledge....! I mentioned MW in my post as he was lamenting after the 1-0 loss to PC during the team autograph session that they wanted badly to begin winning games...Sure he's no different that any other athlete who is on a team that isn't winning a ton of games but that's just my point about continuing supporting them, that's all. This team will either sink or swim this year and I'm just expecting, or, hoping, that they make big leaps where they can and it shows up in the win column from time to time. Not going to be easy given the upcoming schedule but we all knew this going in. Find the good where you can and there IS lots of it to be had! Speaking of a selecting a coach based on sex appeal I just saw Mike Ayers interviewed from the WJC where he is an assistant coach...haha ;) Sorry, just had to add that.
 
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On your last two sentences -- that made me laugh (wish this thing had a Like button).

The one factor that mitigates my gloomy "top prospects" analysis is the fact that there are now so many Division I teams*

Given that there are now more than 50 Division 1 teams, there are a helluva lot more programs going after the very best available prospects. This means that you can still build a strong team with what are the equivalent of 2nd, 3rd and 4th Round draft picks. That is, if you can outbid the other programs who are going after even those ones, and who aren't constrained by the same factors I mentioned earlier.

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* I go back to the days when there was an ECAC and a WCHA, period. ECAC had something like 18 teams, of which just four made its playoffs. Conference playoffs consisted of just two games, a semifinal and a final. The two teams who made each division's final then advanced to the national championships, also a four team affair.

So you could win a national title with a grand total of 4 postseason wins -- you just had to kick some serious regular season butt to get there in the first place. Sort of the way a regular season should be.

Yes, we had electricity then. Some cars even had air conditioning.
 
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Wow, I was hoping to find some upbeat vibes on this thread this afternoon, as we just had another recon Twin Otter flight to check out our Herc 130 landing site cancelled this morning (Monday). So, we continue to find other things to do in McMurdo (no ice hockey rink here, despite the adjacent 200-meter thick, floating Ross Ice Shelf, which is about the size of Texas). On a positive note, now I will be still in town to learn the results of at least our first game in Omaha. A good showing (close games) by our team there would do wonders for our outlook, I think. I would not make too big a deal about teams like UConn upsetting Union; UConn is still essentially an AHA team, in a league that I have been following for a few years now, and those teams play way over their heads on occasion. I am still looking for big improvement in our W column from our next seven Hockey East games. Stay cool, everyone (I heard about the warm rainy Christmas back there).
 
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Great to hear from you and know you're (almost) there successfully and safely.

Upbeat vibes? From me? :p

Anyway, it wasn't ALL a whine fest from me today. My second post first post (12 hours ago) ends with "Happy New Year to everyone here, and a special hi to Snively 6 WAY Down Under".

A hockey rink down there strikes me as an oxymoron. What would icing be? Reaches the Falklands?
 
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"we just had another recon Twin Otter flight to check out our Herc 130 landing site cancelled this morning (Monday)"

Hope your weather clears. Have done that C-130 gig myself (Baghdad-Mosul-Kuwait in July 2003, as a civvie), and it's as reliable an aircraft as you can have for a place like the Antarctic. You've done it yourself I'm sure on previous trips. Enjoy the movie, chatting with the stewardesses, the scrumptious in-flight meal, and all the free drinks you like.

Do you have to stay fully harnesses in like a Formula 1 driver (sideways at that) the whole way? How long a flight will it be?
 
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"we just had another recon Twin Otter flight to check out our Herc 130 landing site cancelled this morning (Monday)"

Hope your weather clears. Have done that C-130 gig myself (Baghdad-Mosul-Kuwait in July 2003, as a civvie), and it's as reliable an aircraft as you can have for a place like the Antarctic. You've done it yourself I'm sure on previous trips. Enjoy the movie, chatting with the stewardesses, the scrumptious in-flight meal, and all the free drinks you like.

Do you have to stay fully harnesses in like a Formula 1 driver (sideways at that) the whole way? How long a flight will it be?

We made the 8+ hour flight from Christchurch to McMurdo in a Herc C-130 this year (only my second trip here, first being in 1976, long before there was a Black Bears Div 1 hockey team in Orono), but we were only required to use a regular seat belt for the take off and landing in the web seats along with the sides of the "cabin," with pallets of gear strapped down along the center and across the back. One change in the past 38 years is that sleeping on top of the pallets is no longer allowed when the seat belt signs are turned off. For those who missed your joke, there are not any stewardesses, movies, or free drinks, but each of us did get a box lunch to ration over the 8 hours (your tax dollars are being carefully expended).

Also, we got some spectacular views of ice-covered terrain, everything from extensive sea ice to large valley glaciers and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet on the land, for the last couple of hours on our way into McMurdo, and did not even feel the ski-equipped landing on the Ross Ice Shelf, about a 40-minute tractor ride offshore from McMurdo. I think that our Herc flight to the Ohio Range, whenever we get there, will be about 2.5 hours; would be another hour or so to the South Pole, I think.

And, to your previous post, snively, your icing comment was hilarious! McMurdo would be a great place to hold one of Freddie's bottom feeder bracket regionals, but for lack of an indoor rink, one of his committee's requirements. And, not to worry, WildcatDC, our Cats will be on the outside, looking in at the bottom feeder regionals again this year (at least that is my prediction).
 
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"I wish I could believe we (UNH) are only a couple of Glenn Stewart recruiting classes away from returning to where the program was a decade ago, but I honestly don't see that happening so quickly. The league is simply deeper now, and UNH is playing catch-up. JMHO.

Agreed. Every recruiting prospect is the equivalent of a free agent. If you were one of the very best (which means you get multiple recruiting offers from top schools), why would you choose UNH over more successful programs and more appealing coaches? And even if you did take a flyer on it, how many of your top prospect peers would do so?

If too few of you do, how do you end up with a freshman class that can complete at the very highest level? The brutal truth is that it's going to be a long hard slog back up to the top. Baby steps. And nice guys though he is, I don't see Umile outpacing his peers in Head Coach sex appeal.

To be fair, someone said that Willows had shared the sentiment that he was "tired of losing", and I respect that. But how does it distinguish him from any other athlete who's ever played any sport at any level?

Man do I feel like Debbie Downer here today. Please contradict me and talk me off the ledge.

Not sex appeal. It's the belief that you are important and can play a role in achieving a goal, and that there is progress toward that goal that makes the goal seem attainable.

Umile had that from 90 to 2003. It creates it's own momentum. Once that is lost it is hard to sell, particularly when you see the window closing. (Aka the Parker ending). Of course, a dynamic recruiter can counter that stagnation, as Quinn did, but you also see what happens when the HC is happy just to have his old buddies on the bench with him (Parker/Powers).

There is no dynamic team locking up the big four, other than Quinn (who has surpassed York in talent procuremen), and the venerable York and whoever succeeds him. Providence made a run and will be near the top 4, and Notre dame will get top Chicago kids.

I don't worry about Vermont or Uconn taking a spot, and Lowell has good coaching with little talent which is not a recipe for being a consistent top 4.

UNH has a 40 year track record of being a choice for the occasional top mass kid, and for top BCHL kids. The only dips were when the coaches got old, but an energetic new coach quickly fixed that.

Unless UNH goes the "steady" route with their next choice they should do well.
 
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