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UNH Wildcats 2014/2015 - Wait 'Til Next Year!!!

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haha... I look at those stats and think... 'perhaps Kelleher and Poturalski should shoot more'. But that's just going by the numbers. I've never seen these guys play, so for all I know, they're are a couple of stiffs that get credited with a goal because they are closest to the net when a d-man scores an own goal. ;)

Stats don't tell the whole story.

Uh-oh, you're asking for it now. Risking the wrath of the Great God SOG, and his messengers Corsi and Fenwick.

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"My favorite UNH hockey statistic is for Bob Miller who played 65 games (51G 97A 148Pts, 2.27 Pts/game).
Didn't Ralph Cox score 127 goals in his 128 games at UNH? 42 goals in a single season? 40 in another? What a gunner.

Total points and consistency? Not shabby there either. Miller had one season with 89, and 59 in his other. Ralph Cox had seasons with 76, 74 and 70. Extra points for coming within an eyelash of making our 1980 Olympics squad.

As Chuck will attest Louis Frigon (2.16 points per game) deserves mention here also. I saw the other two play many times, but Frigon was slightly too early for me.

By the way, I just noticed that Chuck is on the verge of his 10,000th post!
 
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Didn't Ralph Cox score 127 goals in his 128 games at UNH? 42 goals in a single season? 40 in another? What a gunner.

Total points and consistency? Not shabby there either. Miller had one season with 89, and 59 in his other. Ralph Cox had seasons with 76, 74 and 70. Extra points for coming within an eyelash of making our 1980 Olympics squad.

As Chuck will attest Louis Frigon (2.16 points per game) deserves mention here also. I saw the other two play many times, but Frigon was slightly too early for me.

By the way, I just noticed that Chuck is on the verge of his 10,000th post!

Amazing stats on these great players to be sure!!! and as for Chuck...you guys know where the jugular is....:D
 
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Good call by Coach Umile. We can all have our opinions about him and his on-ice success at UNH as a player and (especially) as a coach, but you have to admire the fact that he's never tolerated any off-ice bullcrap. And it's especially effective when he comes out and "owns" it, instead of relying on someone in admin to do the dirty work for him. Powerful message to current and future players alike.

Totally agree with the decision. And with your assertions of Coach U. I'm glad it's over and now, totally behind this team.

http://www.uscho.com/2014/12/03/des...d-from-new-hampshire-team-but-back-in-school/
 
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“Our student-athletes here at UNH are held to a higher standard than the general student body,” Umile read from a prepared statement. “Because of Casey’s actions the weekend of Aug. 31, I’ve made a decision to dismiss Casey from the team.”

“Casey DeSmith has been reinstated as a student at UNH,” Umile said, “and that will be effective Dec. 20. I’m glad he’s going to be coming back and have an opportunity to finish his degree.”

What a concept. Consistent, right thing actions. Stark contrast to the NFL fumbling all over itself, NCAA hoop programs blatantly cheating academically, NCAA football programs clearly violating recruiting rules (which coach heads to the Next Football Level ahead of violations and sanctions next?) and the general mess that is big time sport. Dismissing Casey from the team sends a very strong message as does giving him the chance, without scholarship(?) to finish his undergraduate schooling. Good for college hockey and for UNH. Also, good for Casey remaining active in the community while finishing his degree, not turtling, running away, bolting for a mid level professional team.
 
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Didn't Ralph Cox score 127 goals in his 128 games at UNH? 42 goals in a single season? 40 in another? What a gunner.

Total points and consistency? Not shabby there either. Miller had one season with 89, and 59 in his other. Ralph Cox had seasons with 76, 74 and 70. Extra points for coming within an eyelash of making our 1980 Olympics squad.

As Chuck will attest Louis Frigon (2.16 points per game) deserves mention here also. I saw the other two play many times, but Frigon was slightly too early for me.

By the way, I just noticed that Chuck is on the verge of his 10,000th post!

Honestly, I never saw Lou Frigon play. Just before my time, as was Coach Umile's time as a player. My time with UNH pretty much began with the Cap Raeder era, so yeah, guys like Miller and Ralph Cox (not so much Cliff) are players I saw a lot of on NHPTV.

Miller and Cox were two very different players; Miller was a speed guy, Cox was a sniper. My favorite from that era (besides Langway) was Jamie Hislop (the "H" in C-H-C), an opportunistic scrapper with a real eye for goal, who ended up enjoying a more productive pro career than either Miller or Cox.

First-ever UNH game in person was the '79 ECAC Tourney Finals at the original Garden, and #17 Bobby Gould at 17:17 of the 3rd period got me off to a great start, hooked for life with some real hardware. If only the rest of the time since had been as successful. Moved to the area in 1987 so first visits to Snively was in the '87/'88 season, saw the end of the worst "down" period in the program's history, got season tickets in '88/'89 and held them for the rest of the time at Snively (March '94). By the time The Whitt opened in late '95, we had two small children, so no more season tickets. But as they got older, we've seen hundreds of home games and dozens of road games together, and I managed to sneak off to see UNH in the Frozen Four 3 out of 4 times between 1998-2003 (couldn't make it to Anaheim).

A lot of the 10,000 posts were racked up long ago with silliness like game threads (which used to draw heavy traffic before other more modern options emerged) and moderating on-line "quiz shows" (there may be remnants of those in the HOF forum?), participating in the old UNH-BC and UNH-UMaine "flame wars", plus killing time on various Cafe threads (never go there anymore). So there's admittedly a lot of "fluff" in those numbers (see - never trust them stats!), plus the usual mindless fluff I subject you folks to every day nowadays. :)

Snively, you're approaching 9,000 and I see you've been on board since the current format began in 1999. I suspect we both have a few hundred "lost" posts from the previous USCHO forum format(s). The early days of the Internet were really a hoot, and being on USCHO back in the day sometimes was like being in the wild, wild, west. Glad some of the old-timers are still on board all these years later. :)
 
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Agree with all the above. I think that Umile also needed to send a message to his team that there would be no one between the pipes but freshmen bailing them out this year. This team will sink or swim with its inexperienced youth.
 
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Honestly, I never saw Lou Frigon play. Just before my time, as was Coach Umile's time as a player. My time with UNH pretty much began with the Cap Raeder era, so yeah, guys like Miller and Ralph Cox (not so much Cliff) are players I saw a lot of on NHPTV.

Miller and Cox were two very different players; Miller was a speed guy, Cox was a sniper. My favorite from that era (besides Langway) was Jamie Hislop (the "H" in C-H-C), an opportunistic scrapper with a real eye for goal, who ended up enjoying a more productive pro career than either Miller or Cox.

Thanks for the reply. So much to say here, so I'll try to be brief. In no particular order...

* You will never see another line as exciting as Cliff Cox, Jamie Hislop and Gordie Clark. Period. Board poster C-H-C will swear on a Bible in front of any judge. Back in the day when UNH scored three times during a two minute penalty to tie a playoff game, when they still had single game elimination format. RPI touched the puck once. And the days when the Cats could score 247 goals in a (shorter) season.

* Jamie Hislop. Yes indeed. Once drove all the way up to Quebec City just to watch him play a game with the Nordiques. Still is, by far, my favorite Canadian city.

* Langway. Came to UNH instead when UVM dropped football an UNH said he could play both that and hockey. Each year, immediately shifted over to the latter when the former's season finished Possibly even a better linebacker than he was a defenseman. Once saw him running the Route 4 bypass in 90+ degree heat with a rucksack filled with 25 lb. dumbbells. An absolute Gronk-like beast.

* 17:17 in the third by #17 Bobby Gould. That was your first ever? You lucky bastard -- what an introduction. UNH's first ever title (and only ECAC one). I remember seeing an exhausted and sweat drenched Greg Moffett slumped against the wall leading to the dressing room, trying to soak it all in. Third best hockey game I ever saw. Number two was UNH's 10-9 double overtime win over Cornell, also in the Garden, in the 1977 semis. Gouldie won that one as well, with a very un-Gould-like goal (generally a defense minded forward). Blast from just inside the blue line on the dead fly that beat Napier high to stick side. An absolute beauty of a goal. And yes, you read that right. 10-9 final in double overtime.

Best was of course THE game against the Soviets. I had a seat in the front row right on the glass at the blue line -- swear to God (still have the $67.50 ticket stub). Drove up from Cambridge that morning with my Harvard grad school classmate buddy Mike Cornfield. He still has his. Who wouldn't. We called each other on February 22, 2010, just to celebrate its 30th anniversary. And still no one believes us. :p

* Lively Snively. What else is there to say? Used to line up outside more than an hour before games just to get the best spots on the benches. Seats? What are they? Remember watching opposing teams' busses pull in, because we'd gotten there first. Loud? I've been to just two games at The Whitt (moved down here in 1984), and it was at least 40 decibels quieter. Golf claps for some great plays or passes. Sorry -- just sayin'...

* Yes -- the Game Thread posts we used to do. This is my third or fourth this season, so 8,956 of those 8,960... And the flame throwing troll fests with the "Collars Up!" creeps. Swear to God, I've disliked BC ever since that. Even rooted for BU when we had their game with BC on TV down here a couple of weeks ago. Rooted for BU??? That alone tells you how I still feel about those BC posters' arrogance.

More than enough reminiscences for a single post, and apologies to the great majority of you that are younger then a geezer like me. I know every fish you ever caught gets bigger each time you tell the story. But all I can say is "You shoulda' been there". And you have no idea how loud wooden benches can sound when two thousand plus students stomp their winter boots on them in unison.

PS: Miss the Expos also. Any team that suits up Bill Lee is already good with me.
 
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As my girlfriend will tell you, I will never stop trying, and never stop failing!! BTW, I actually agree with your original post on the meaningful nature of stats. Surprised Corsi and.or Fenwick haven't popped up during the discussion. Puck possession, anyone??

On another note, what a potentially huge weekend for the 'Cat family of sports. Best of luck to all (volleyball to score an upset in the NCAA's v. U of Washington - I can feel it!). Fordham scares me more than popped collars do. And don't get me started about UNI being on our side of the bracket.

FiveHole, you've been a welcome addition (as always) to the thread, as well. Necessary comic relief!!

Okay, back to the grind

I'm worried about the weather Saturday somewhat. It is supposed to rain all day based on the National Weather Service forecast. UNH has a high powered balanced offense but from what I can see so does Fordham. So a wet ball and field will hurt them both. I think the team that holds onto the ball, keeps turnovers to a minimum and can run the ball will win the day. In other words, the team that commits the fewest mistakes wins. I think UNH playing in the Dungeon gives them an edge also.
 
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I was watching the Bruins the other night in their 1-0 loss to the Kings. In that game the Kings controlled the first 25-30 minutes to gain a 1-0 lead, and in the final 30 minutes the Bruins were like 45-25 in total shots attempted. After the game Jack Edwards (Love him or hate him, I love him and being a Durham based thread I would suspect a lot of you do too) spoke about the new school statistics. He specifically took issue with the thought that shots on goal (Quantity) is more important than shooting percentage (Quality). He used the stats from that game to try and prove the new school stats wrong, and why he didn't believe in them.

Being in my early thirties I'm at a good age to see both sides, I understand the concept of quantity and just peppering the goalie with shots. That being said I've also seen UNH and the Bruins lose games with 40+ shots on goal because they were unscreened lobs from the point or the side. I've seen UNH put up 3-4 goals on 20 shots (and give them up the same way). While I wish it were as simple as shoot more or shoot less, there is so much more to it, and I feel that gameplan and playing style has a lot to do with it.

In a previous post there were the shooting percentages for Kelleher, Potularski, and Eiserman. Those are the young guys that are arguably (and in a year or two undoubtedly) our skill guys. If you watch them play they aren't sitting around waiting for a pass. They are taking risks, trying to win one on ones, and putting themselves in position to use their skill to win a battle and take a good shot. They lose some of those battles, and as a result have fewer shots, but they are quality shots. Some of their individual losses also lead to defensive breakdowns, that line has been on the ice for a lot of opponent goals as well. But I expect as they mature they will be better at risk/reward decision making. I feel that all too often this team (especially on the powerplay) stands still, outside of the skill guys that feel they need to do it on their own, this team just holds their position, passing back and forth, hoping the defense makes a mistake and they can get a quality shot. Unfortunately most of the time they end up taking a long unscreened shot hoping for a rebound. That is a great strategy if their aim is to create second chances, but this team doesn't go to the net. There is no presence in the front creating screens or collecting those rebounds.

My friends and I have a fun little fantasy league we do with UNH players to make the games more entertaining. A friend of mine had Thompson for his senior season and I always used to rag on him for Thompson being a cherry picker, just hanging around waiting for someone to do the hard work so he could score. Despite that appearance he was at least hanging out in the dirty areas, waiting for an opportunity to pounce. I would love for one or two players to step into that role for this team.

When I watch the third line this year (Kelleher, Potularski, Foegele/Eiserman) I see flashes of brilliance. They can win the one on one battles, and then when they do and create odd number situations they can move the puck to each other unbelievably well. We all agree it is a rebuilding year, so hopefully the team can build around that style and perform at a level where there is no SOG discussion to be had.
 
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I'm worried about the weather Saturday somewhat. It is supposed to rain all day based on the National Weather Service forcast. UNH has a high powered balanced offense but from what I can see so does Fordham. So a wet ball and field will hurt them both. I think the team that holds onto the ball, keeps turnovers to a minimum and can run the ball will win the day. In other words, the team that comitts the fewest mistakes wins. I think UNH playing
In the Dungeon gives them an edge also.
Perfectly assessed in my view. I've been worried about the weather's potential impact since I first saw the preliminary forecast on Sunday. Holding on to the ball will be key. Would you want to be a catching kicks under conditions like that?

I like the fact that we have a mobile QB who's able to tuck and run if given the opportunity. But ultimately this one, like so many, is going to be won or lost in the trenches -- offensive line vs. defensive line and linebackers. Won't be pretty -- might even be Dick Butkus style football. Punch at the ball to try and jar it loose. Or like Butkus, bite someone's ear on the bottom of a scrum to establish your Alpha dog status. Whatever works that you don't flagged for. Be creative. You can always apologize later.

Fingers crossed. Fordham is a better squad than some here seem to think.
 
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Perfectly assessed in my view. I've been worried about the weather's potential impact since I first saw the preliminary forecast on Sunday. Holding on to the ball will be key. I also like the fact that we have a mobile QB who's able to tuck and run if he's given the opportunity. Fingers crossed for this one -- Fordham is a better squad than some here seem to think.


Thank you my friend. Good to see someone back from the "coalition of the swilling" was it?:)
 
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Thank you my friend. Good to see someone back from the "coalition of the swilling" was it?:)
Same to you, E.Cat Indeed it was. Sorta miss the celebratory KKsssssssshhhhhhhh!!!!

Here's some more precise, hour by hour info for Saturday. It comes from NOAA's Gray/Portland site, so take it with a grain of salt (no pun intended). Scroll down on the graph.

It's seriously fugly. 2.1" of snow overnight, followed by sleet from 7 to 10 am, shifting to freezing rain from 11 am to 7 pm. 34 degrees is the highest it gets all day. Nearly dead calm wins.

Granted this is 50 miles to the east (NOAA's closest site), but even so it will be a challenge.

Enter: Hourly Weather Forecast For 43.97N 71.13W
 
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Snively wanted to tell you that I really enjoy you (and the others) posts about times gone by.... being a newbie UNH fan I can already appreciate the amazing history of this team. Hope you enjoy your football game on Saturday, rain, sleet, or snow! Go 'Cats!!!
 
Same to you, E.Cat Indeed it was. Sorta miss the celebratory KKsssssssshhhhhhhh!!!!

Here's some more precise, hour by hour info for Saturday. It comes from NOAA's Gray/Portland site, so take it with a grain of salt (no pun intended). Scroll down on the graph.

It's seriously fugly. 2.1" of snow overnight, followed by sleet from 7 to 10 am, shifting to freezing rain from 11 am to 7 pm. 34 degrees is the highest it gets all day. Nearly dead calm wins.

Granted this is 50 miles to the east (NOAA's closest site), but even so it will be a challenge.

Enter: Hourly Weather Forecast For 43.97N 71.13W

Owens and Steriti when the weather's really sh... I mean, crappy

Snives, I miss our occasional 1-2 punch in the BC game threads. Many classic flamefests that I actually think we'd all laugh about now. Love to dig those up. Of course, those we the days when both teams weren't sub-.500, with one in particular occupying the HEA basement.

I know I don't have the posts/hour stats that others do over the years. Of course, we all know that when it comes to stats, quantity does not equal quality. Right?
 
Didn't Ralph Cox score 127 goals in his 128 games at UNH? 42 goals in a single season? 40 in another? What a gunner.

Total points and consistency? Not shabby there either. Miller had one season with 89, and 59 in his other. Ralph Cox had seasons with 76, 74 and 70. Extra points for coming within an eyelash of making our 1980 Olympics squad.

As Chuck will attest Louis Frigon (2.16 points per game) deserves mention here also. I saw the other two play many times, but Frigon was slightly too early for me.

By the way, I just noticed that Chuck is on the verge of his 10,000th post!

Great to have you back before the post-season this year, "original" snively. I am heading to the big ice sheet (Antarctica) next Friday until late January, so trust that you folks will keep this thread hopping during my Internet silence.

So, I did get to see Louuu-iiii (with accent on that second syllable by the screaming Snively fans) for every home game during his three seasons in Durham, 1968-1969 to 1970-1971. Frigon was a fluid skater, especially compared with his right wing, fellow Québécois and an indigenous Abenaki (I think) Guy Smith. I still remember their odd man rushes the length of the ice, which commonly led to the puck in the back of the opposing net. I cannot remember who played left wing with those two, as Umile skated second line those last two years, I believe, moving up to first line after those two graduated. Loui finished his three years (frosh did not play varsity back then) with 98 G, 95 A, 193 Pts, in 89 games, so over 2 Pts per game as you noted. Sorry that I missed the next few years at Snively while in grad school, first in Orono (before they had an indoor rink and hockey team there; "I would rather be stabbed in Lowell than a Black Bear in Maine"), and then Boulder (still no Div 1 hockey there). But, I saw some of those post-season games on national TV. :-) (my first smiley in over a month).
 
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I was watching the Bruins the other night in their 1-0 loss to the Kings. In that game the Kings controlled the first 25-30 minutes to gain a 1-0 lead, and in the final 30 minutes the Bruins were like 45-25 in total shots attempted. After the game Jack Edwards (Love him or hate him, I love him and being a Durham based thread I would suspect a lot of you do too) spoke about the new school statistics. He specifically took issue with the thought that shots on goal (Quantity) is more important than shooting percentage (Quality). He used the stats from that game to try and prove the new school stats wrong, and why he didn't believe in them.

Being in my early thirties I'm at a good age to see both sides, I understand the concept of quantity and just peppering the goalie with shots. That being said I've also seen UNH and the Bruins lose games with 40+ shots on goal because they were unscreened lobs from the point or the side. I've seen UNH put up 3-4 goals on 20 shots (and give them up the same way). While I wish it were as simple as shoot more or shoot less, there is so much more to it, and I feel that gameplan and playing style has a lot to do with it.

The stats geeks are flushed with success in the *revolution* they've experienced in baseball, and are eager to expand that into other sports. See cottage industry. Unfortunately, there are dozens of reasons why the approaches that arguably *work* in baseball don't work in other sports, and especially do not apply in hockey. I'll save you all the boredom of a lengthy sermon, but you've seen most of them in bits and pieces in previous posts, so I doubt there would be any big surprises.

For what it's worth ... even the baseball stats geeks lost me when they asserted that statistically, there is no such thing as "clutch".

Anyone who's actually played ANY sport - even at lower competitive levels - has to know categorically that simply is NOT the case.

Too many of these guys grew up playing Strat-O-Matic, and somewhere along the way they confused it for the real thing. :rolleyes:
 
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Snively wanted to tell you that I really enjoy you (and the others) posts about times gone by.... being a newbie UNH fan I can already appreciate the amazing history of this team. Hope you enjoy your football game on Saturday, rain, sleet, or snow! Go 'Cats!!!
Thanks so much for letting me know that HockeyRef. Means a lot to me. I hope that eventually you'll have just as many (or even more) recollections of great UNH hockey moments, and that you can pass them on to yet another generation of UNH Hockey maniacs to enjoy ;)
 
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Great to have you back before the post-season this year, "original" snively. I am heading to the big ice sheet (Antarctica) next Friday until late January, so trust that you folks will keep this thread hopping during my Internet silence.

So, I did get to see Louuu-iiii (with accent on that second syllable by the screaming Snively fans) for every home game during his three seasons in Durham, 1968-1969 to 1970-1971. Frigon was a fluid skater, especially compared with his right wing, fellow Québécois and an indigenous Abenaki (I think) Guy Smith. I still remember their odd man rushes the length of the ice, which commonly led to the puck in the back of the opposing net. I cannot remember who played left wing with those two, as Umile skated second line those last two years, I believe, moving up to first line after those two graduated. Loui finished his three years (frosh did not play varsity back then) with 98 G, 95 A, 193 Pts, in 89 games, so over 2 Pts per game as you noted. Sorry that I missed the next few years at Snively while in grad school, first in Orono (before they had an indoor rink and hockey team there; "I would rather be stabbed in Lowell than a Black Bear in Maine"), and then Boulder (still no Div 1 hockey there). But, I saw some of those post-season games on national TV. :-) (my first smiley in over a month).
Great stuff Snively65. I'll even forgive you for running away from the cold here to head to a place in the height of mid summer.

I'm sad to say I got to see neither Frigon nor Smith, even though I moved to Durham in November of 1968 and stayed until graduating from Oyster River in June of 1970. I didn't know until now that Smith was Abenaki. Pretty interesting tidbit. Thanks also for spelling Quebec correctly ;)

The 98 goals and 95 assists in 89 games... wow. 'Nuf said. And you will corroborate my claim that Snively was, shall we say, thunderous noise wise, no?

Have a great summer vacation, and try to make it back before it all melts...
 
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