Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
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Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Zer nutting like good SOG talks to getting me back ere, mon Dieu!
Eet getting betteur mais zee anglais she come et she go, eh mon ami.I see that the Rosetta Stone CD for English is finally paying dividends.
Welcome back!
Zer nutting like good SOG talks to getting me back ere, mon Dieu!
Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
SOG describes the game, similar to saying the Flyers wore orange and the Bruins wore white or that there were 17,380 fans in the building descibe the game. All of that lets people who weren't there get a sense of how the game went and what it looked like. But that's it. To think there is ANY greater analytical value in SOG shows a foolish lack of hockey experience. Teams get outshot and win, teams get outshot and lose. One night you outshoot the other team the next night they outshoot you. None of that tells you anything that the score doesn't tell you much more clearly and accurately.
SOG describes the game, similar to saying the Flyers wore orange and the Bruins wore white or that there were 17,380 fans in the building descibe the game. All of that lets people who weren't there get a sense of how the game went and what it looked like. But that's it. To think there is ANY greater analytical value in SOG shows a foolish lack of hockey experience. Teams get outshot and win, teams get outshot and lose. One night you outshoot the other team the next night they outshoot you. None of that tells you anything that the score doesn't tell you much more clearly and accurately.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Forgot to use your "accent" Chuck!
Forgot to use your "accent" Chuck!
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Not sure if you got the memo or not, Jacques ... apparently there is a "new generation" of enlightened numbers-crunchers who are looking to "evolve" hockey like they've apparently "evolved" baseball. I suppose that means we can look forward to fat guys in pajamas (FGIP) dumping in pucks to the opposing goalie to increase SOG and offensive zone face-offs, then calling in your attack zone face-off specialist (AZFOS) for the subsequent draws, while a guy with heavy accurate shots (GHAS) back at the point loads up, and the aforementioned FGIP's jam in front of the opposing goal to create screens and deflections, and maybe a few more ticks on the SOG chart. This in turn will no doubt cause the opposition's starting goalie (SG) to gradually tire over the course of the game when the shot count piles up, forcing the opposing coach to bring in the set-up goalie (SUG) before finally turning to the "closer" (CG) for the final 5 minutes.
Now of course, if in this brave new world of FGIP, AZFOS, GHAS and SUG ... should you lose the offensive zone draw even 31.418% of the time, then your various specialists are stranded out on the ice against these anachronistic two-way energy revving players (TWERP) who will rack up their odd-man intense goal/offense data (OMIGOD) against your own goalie, who hopefully is a specialist himself at making the big saves (BS), and can keep his team within two goals, lest they cross the "Corsi threshold" and become incapable of outshooting the opposition any longer. "Cuz I think at that point the SOG data indicates they are doomed, and pretty much SOL.
Or something like that anyway.
Not sure if you got the memo or not, Jacques ... apparently there is a "new generation" of enlightened numbers-crunchers who are looking to "evolve" hockey like they've apparently "evolved" baseball. I suppose that means we can look forward to fat guys in pajamas (FGIP) dumping in pucks to the opposing goalie to increase SOG and offensive zone face-offs, then calling in your attack zone face-off specialist (AZFOS) for the subsequent draws, while a guy with heavy accurate shots (GHAS) back at the point loads up, and the aforementioned FGIP's jam in front of the opposing goal to create screens and deflections, and maybe a few more ticks on the SOG chart. This in turn will no doubt cause the opposition's starting goalie (SG) to gradually tire over the course of the game when the shot count piles up, forcing the opposing coach to bring in the set-up goalie (SUG) before finally turning to the "closer" (CG) for the final 5 minutes.
Now of course, if in this brave new world of FGIP, AZFOS, GHAS and SUG ... should you lose the offensive zone draw even 31.418% of the time, then your various specialists are stranded out on the ice against these anachronistic two-way energy revving players (TWERP) who will rack up their odd-man intense goal/offense data (OMIGOD) against your own goalie, who hopefully is a specialist himself at making the big saves (BS), and can keep his team within two goals, lest they cross the "Corsi threshold" and become incapable of outshooting the opposition any longer. "Cuz I think at that point the SOG data indicates they are doomed, and pretty much SOL.
Or something like that anyway.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Looks like a few of us have picked up on Jacques' improved Anglais in recent posts ... when smileys begin to appear in his posts, you would be free to speculate on his true identity. But Jacques is very good at saying in very few words what it takes me several paragraphs to try to say. Pretty darned good for an ESL guy; I am very jealous. 
Looks like a few of us have picked up on Jacques' improved Anglais in recent posts
... when smileys begin to appear in his posts, you would be free to speculate on his true identity. But Jacques is very good at saying in very few words what it takes me several paragraphs to try to say. Pretty darned good for an ESL guy; I am very jealous. Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I spended my times away coaching a youth ockey team on the outskirt of London. I didded my beste wif what I ad mais it gonna be the while before them little limeys is making the Games Olympic. But on the plus side my English she improve the much, if you could hear this poste I even speek wif the English accent now, eh guvnahLooks like a few of us have picked up on Jacques' improved Anglais in recent posts
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
UNH season ticket holder, long time lurker but seldom poster here.
I was reading, with a bit of amusement, the earlier debate on the SOG issue and I have a question for the UNH sports stats folks here.
What is the worst drubbing a UNH team has taken in the Shots on Goal count, that is being on the losing end of that stat, while yet winning the game. Anyone know ?
UNH season ticket holder, long time lurker but seldom poster here.
I was reading, with a bit of amusement, the earlier debate on the SOG issue and I have a question for the UNH sports stats folks here.
What is the worst drubbing a UNH team has taken in the Shots on Goal count, that is being on the losing end of that stat, while yet winning the game. Anyone know ?
e.cat
Seasoned Veteran
e.cat
Seasoned Veteran
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
For UNH to beat Gillies this weekend they have to;
a) Keep it simple
b) get a lot of pucks to the net (aka. SOG) preferably quality SOG
c) get traffic in front of Gillies
If Gillies is on his game, he's going to stop what he sees.I don't care how many SOG UNH has as long as it is enough to be on top by one goal. The rest is irrelevant
For UNH to beat Gillies this weekend they have to;
a) Keep it simple
b) get a lot of pucks to the net (aka. SOG) preferably quality SOG
c) get traffic in front of Gillies
If Gillies is on his game, he's going to stop what he sees.I don't care how many SOG UNH has as long as it is enough to be on top by one goal. The rest is irrelevant
The Zlax45
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
For UNH to beat PC, they have to score more goals than the Friars!
Getting traffic in front of Gillies this year has been very tough ask Merrimack and Vermont how that worked.
For UNH to beat Gillies this weekend they have to;
a) Keep it simple
b) get a lot of pucks to the net (aka. SOG) preferably quality SOG
c) get traffic in front of Gillies
If Gillies is on his game, he's going to stop what he sees.I don't care how many SOG UNH has as long as it is enough to be on top by one goal. The rest is irrelevant
For UNH to beat PC, they have to score more goals than the Friars!
Getting traffic in front of Gillies this year has been very tough ask Merrimack and Vermont how that worked.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
Okay, not that I want to get in on this stats debate as I believe the only one that matters is which team scored the most in the game, but ... a link from Joe Haggerty on CSNNE regarding Tuukka Rask, the Bruins and quality shots:
* An interesting look at shot quality, and how that factors into a side-by-side evaluation of goaltenders Tuukka Rask and Carey Price. While some see this as groundbreaking, I see this as kind of obvious. Bruins goalies have always put up good numbers in large part because of Claude Julien’s system that keeps the puck away from the slot area at all costs -http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shot-quality-reveals-rasks-true-value/
Chuck - if we are lucky maybe they will start applying the stats analytics to bands/concerts - might be good for Rush, maybe not so much for the Dead
Okay, not that I want to get in on this stats debate as I believe the only one that matters is which team scored the most in the game, but ... a link from Joe Haggerty on CSNNE regarding Tuukka Rask, the Bruins and quality shots:
* An interesting look at shot quality, and how that factors into a side-by-side evaluation of goaltenders Tuukka Rask and Carey Price. While some see this as groundbreaking, I see this as kind of obvious. Bruins goalies have always put up good numbers in large part because of Claude Julien’s system that keeps the puck away from the slot area at all costs -http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shot-quality-reveals-rasks-true-value/
Chuck - if we are lucky maybe they will start applying the stats analytics to bands/concerts - might be good for Rush, maybe not so much for the Dead
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I believe so - UNH vs Minnesota, I believe during the 1984-85 (?) season. Bruce Gillies was in net, Minny poured 65 shots on him during the game, yet UNH won the game 3-2.
I believe so - UNH vs Minnesota, I believe during the 1984-85 (?) season. Bruce Gillies was in net, Minny poured 65 shots on him during the game, yet UNH won the game 3-2.
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
To me, more than anything, they need to make Gillies move. He reminds of the male version of Molly Schaus (excellent, former BC goalie). The women's team always had trouble with her, except on the occasions that they forced her to move side to side, things opened up and the goals came. Gillies appears much the same to me.
For UNH to beat Gillies this weekend they have to;
a) Keep it simple
b) get a lot of pucks to the net (aka. SOG) preferably quality SOG
c) get traffic in front of Gillies
If Gillies is on his game, he's going to stop what he sees.I don't care how many SOG UNH has as long as it is enough to be on top by one goal. The rest is irrelevant
To me, more than anything, they need to make Gillies move. He reminds of the male version of Molly Schaus (excellent, former BC goalie). The women's team always had trouble with her, except on the occasions that they forced her to move side to side, things opened up and the goals came. Gillies appears much the same to me.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I think we can agree on that much. And I agree 100% with freak. Getting the goalie to move is always the key, and the ability to move effectively is what sets the truly elite goalies apart. There have been an awful lot of good-but-not-great goalies playing for the top HE programs in recent years, whose stats have benefitted from having top-notch talent playing in front of them, which minimizes quality chances AND the necessary puck movement required by the opposition to force them to move.
Look no further than the 2006-2007 HE season, when BU had HE Player of the Year John Curry between the pipes, also earning First Team All-HE honors with two HE First Team defensemen (Sullivan and Gilroy) and two future NHL'ers (Gryba and Strait) manning the blue line. In the meantime, soph Jonathan Quick earned Second Team All-HE honors on a UMass Amherst team with only a very young Justin Braun (frosh) and eventual NHL'er Michael Kostka of note in front of him. It was pretty apparent (to me anyway) that Quick was the more talented of the two, but he had to wait a couple of years after he left college hockey to get his overdue recognition.
Since then, Curry (who unlike Quick was not drafted) has floundered mostly between the AHL and ECHL, albeit he did make 4 emergency appearances in Pittsburgh relatively early in his career. Guys like Millan (BU), Muse (BC), and Milner (BC) all collected some great honors at the college level, but are all floundering in the minors, with very little likelihood of getting beyond that level. They all benefitted from having tremendous blue line talent playing regularly in front of them.
Guys like Gillies and Hellebuyck are NHL drafted goalies, so someone has seen the raw talent (including movement) in their skill sets. Neither PC nor UML play wide-open hockey (although I suspect PC will migrate there as their younger players mature), but my thought is that if you want to just put traffic in front of them and throw pucks at the net from the perimeter, you are probably just playing right into their hands. IF you can get either of these teams to open up a little - and getting the first goal/holding the lead help that a lot - then your forwards should enjoy more open ice in the attacking zone, allowing them to pass and in doing so, moving the opposing goalie.
It will be VERY interesting to see if UNH can force PC out of its comfort zone. They weren't able to do it to UMass Lowell a few weekends ago. But even if they can force PC into a more open game, I suspect the Friars can handle that adjustment better than UML can. PC proved to be a tough match-up for UNH last season, and they are only going to get better this season (barring key injuries). Frankly, I'll be happy if UNH can get anything out of this weekend's games. But as always, I'd be very happy to be pleasantly surprised should UNH emerge with 2 or more points this weekend on the road. JMHO.
I don't care how many SOG UNH has as long as it is enough to be on top by one goal. The rest is irrelevant
I think we can agree on that much.
And I agree 100% with freak. Getting the goalie to move is always the key, and the ability to move effectively is what sets the truly elite goalies apart. There have been an awful lot of good-but-not-great goalies playing for the top HE programs in recent years, whose stats have benefitted from having top-notch talent playing in front of them, which minimizes quality chances AND the necessary puck movement required by the opposition to force them to move.Look no further than the 2006-2007 HE season, when BU had HE Player of the Year John Curry between the pipes, also earning First Team All-HE honors with two HE First Team defensemen (Sullivan and Gilroy) and two future NHL'ers (Gryba and Strait) manning the blue line. In the meantime, soph Jonathan Quick earned Second Team All-HE honors on a UMass Amherst team with only a very young Justin Braun (frosh) and eventual NHL'er Michael Kostka of note in front of him. It was pretty apparent (to me anyway) that Quick was the more talented of the two, but he had to wait a couple of years after he left college hockey to get his overdue recognition.
Since then, Curry (who unlike Quick was not drafted) has floundered mostly between the AHL and ECHL, albeit he did make 4 emergency appearances in Pittsburgh relatively early in his career. Guys like Millan (BU), Muse (BC), and Milner (BC) all collected some great honors at the college level, but are all floundering in the minors, with very little likelihood of getting beyond that level. They all benefitted from having tremendous blue line talent playing regularly in front of them.
Guys like Gillies and Hellebuyck are NHL drafted goalies, so someone has seen the raw talent (including movement) in their skill sets. Neither PC nor UML play wide-open hockey (although I suspect PC will migrate there as their younger players mature), but my thought is that if you want to just put traffic in front of them and throw pucks at the net from the perimeter, you are probably just playing right into their hands. IF you can get either of these teams to open up a little - and getting the first goal/holding the lead help that a lot - then your forwards should enjoy more open ice in the attacking zone, allowing them to pass and in doing so, moving the opposing goalie.
It will be VERY interesting to see if UNH can force PC out of its comfort zone. They weren't able to do it to UMass Lowell a few weekends ago. But even if they can force PC into a more open game, I suspect the Friars can handle that adjustment better than UML can. PC proved to be a tough match-up for UNH last season, and they are only going to get better this season (barring key injuries). Frankly, I'll be happy if UNH can get anything out of this weekend's games. But as always, I'd be very happy to be pleasantly surprised should UNH emerge with 2 or more points this weekend on the road. JMHO.
e.cat
Seasoned Veteran
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
What he said
Gotta love Joe Hags
Absolutely. Good point
I have to admit this is pretty funny Chuck
Just to add to the levity I thought it would be fun to do a top "Top Ten Reasons SOG is Meaningful". I'll start!
TOP TEN REASONS SOG ARE MEANINGFUL:
10. Without SOG we couldn't figure a goalie's save percentage!
9. FGIP's would have nothing to cheer about without SOG unless of course said SOG go in!!
8.
7.
6.
5.
4.
3.
2.
1.
Feel free to add to the list at will.
What he said
Okay, not that I want to get in on this stats debate as I believe the only one that matters is which team scored the most in the game, but ... a link from Joe Haggerty on CSNNE regarding Tuukka Rask, the Bruins and quality shots:
* An interesting look at shot quality, and how that factors into a side-by-side evaluation of goaltenders Tuukka Rask and Carey Price. While some see this as groundbreaking, I see this as kind of obvious. Bruins goalies have always put up good numbers in large part because of Claude Julien’s system that keeps the puck away from the slot area at all costs -http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/shot-quality-reveals-rasks-true-value/
Chuck - if we are lucky maybe they will start applying the stats analytics to bands/concerts - might be good for Rush, maybe not so much for the Dead
Gotta love Joe Hags
Absolutely. Good point
Not sure if you got the memo or not, Jacques ... apparently there is a "new generation" of enlightened numbers-crunchers who are looking to "evolve" hockey like they've apparently "evolved" baseball. I suppose that means we can look forward to fat guys in pajamas (FGIP) dumping in pucks to the opposing goalie to increase SOG and offensive zone face-offs, then calling in your attack zone face-off specialist (AZFOS) for the subsequent draws, while a guy with heavy accurate shots (GHAS) back at the point loads up, and the aforementioned FGIP's jam in front of the opposing goal to create screens and deflections, and maybe a few more ticks on the SOG chart. This in turn will no doubt cause the opposition's starting goalie (SG) to gradually tire over the course of the game when the shot count piles up, forcing the opposing coach to bring in the set-up goalie (SUG) before finally turning to the "closer" (CG) for the final 5 minutes.
Now of course, if in this brave new world of FGIP, AZFOS, GHAS and SUG ... should you lose the offensive zone draw even 31.418% of the time, then your various specialists are stranded out on the ice against these anachronistic two-way energy revving players (TWERP) who will rack up their odd-man intense goal/offense data (OMIGOD) against your own goalie, who hopefully is a specialist himself at making the big saves (BS), and can keep his team within two goals, lest they cross the "Corsi threshold" and become incapable of outshooting the opposition any longer. "Cuz I think at that point the SOG data indicates they are doomed, and pretty much SOL.
Or something like that anyway.
I have to admit this is pretty funny Chuck
Just to add to the levity I thought it would be fun to do a top "Top Ten Reasons SOG is Meaningful". I'll start!
TOP TEN REASONS SOG ARE MEANINGFUL:
10. Without SOG we couldn't figure a goalie's save percentage!
9. FGIP's would have nothing to cheer about without SOG unless of course said SOG go in!!
8.
7.
6.
5.
4.
3.
2.
1.
Feel free to add to the list at will.
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SOG is a red herring; it is all about FOW (face off wins).
Re: UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread
I know this is a total fantasy and don't expect this to actually happen but wouldn't it be cool though to see something like this happen.
I was bored and had some spare time so I came up with this new rink idea.
I know I'm dreaming but it's still fun to imagine sometimes....
If UNH were to build a second sheet of ice/ arena behind the Whitt.
The new arena would be NHL size and it could become the home arena for the women's team.(Like some schools have been doing)
The two buildings would be connected so the two programs could share resources and the men's team would be able to practice on
the big sheet or the NHL size depending on where they are playing that weekend.(Like Minnesota does)
The Whitt would get some additions/ renovated. Particularly underneath with new locker rooms, offices, trainers room, workout room, players lounge
and equipment room.
I love the Whitt and I know it's nice and has everything players 'need' but it'd be cool to have all these 'wants' like these crazy, wicked nice
college rinks that have been being built recently. Maybe get that jumbo-tron too
I let my imagination run wild and it's something kinda cool to think about.
1:
*******http://s10.postimg.org/irljsmxcp/new_whitt2.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/qsc5p4zap/new_whitt4.jpg********
2:
*******http://s23.postimg.org/fgos5n9sr/whitt2_3.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/ncjzs1pkh/whitt2_4.jpg********
Now we just need like a 50 million dollar donation. ha.
I know this is a total fantasy and don't expect this to actually happen but wouldn't it be cool though to see something like this happen.
I was bored and had some spare time so I came up with this new rink idea.
I know I'm dreaming but it's still fun to imagine sometimes....
If UNH were to build a second sheet of ice/ arena behind the Whitt.
The new arena would be NHL size and it could become the home arena for the women's team.(Like some schools have been doing)
The two buildings would be connected so the two programs could share resources and the men's team would be able to practice on
the big sheet or the NHL size depending on where they are playing that weekend.(Like Minnesota does)
The Whitt would get some additions/ renovated. Particularly underneath with new locker rooms, offices, trainers room, workout room, players lounge
and equipment room.
I love the Whitt and I know it's nice and has everything players 'need' but it'd be cool to have all these 'wants' like these crazy, wicked nice
college rinks that have been being built recently. Maybe get that jumbo-tron too
I let my imagination run wild and it's something kinda cool to think about.
1:
*******http://s10.postimg.org/irljsmxcp/new_whitt2.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/qsc5p4zap/new_whitt4.jpg********
2:
*******http://s23.postimg.org/fgos5n9sr/whitt2_3.jpg******** *******http://s22.postimg.org/ncjzs1pkh/whitt2_4.jpg********
Now we just need like a 50 million dollar donation. ha.
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