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UNH Wildcats 2013-14 Season Thread

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My daughter was sitting in the student section when that happened..guess it was a derogatory sign made about the NU coach's wife..we were sitting off to the left and didn't see it. Incredibly it was one of my former high school kids. Don't know the outcome but I guess it wasn't pretty. NU had complaints about abusive fan comments when they came out of the visitor's tunnel from what we heard.
 
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HockeyRef said:
My daughter was sitting in the student section when that happened..guess it was a derogatory sign made about the NU coach's wife..we were sitting off to the left and didn't see it. Incredibly it was one of my former high school kids. Don't know the outcome but I guess it wasn't pretty. NU had complaints about abusive fan comments when they came out of the visitor's tunnel from what we heard.
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I saw the kid after the game and I asked him what it said and he claimed it only said: The Coach's name, (his hometown) sucks, and then How is (Coach's Wife's Name). He also said that he pointed at the coach to show him the sign while he was walking by.

I don't exactly trust the kid on what his sign said but it is completely unacceptable for any coach to go into the stands to single a fan. It is shameful and a disgrace to the program when he got into the fan's face and started screaming profanities at the kid. There is a reason there are security officers at the game and they could have easily handled it. There is no need for a grown man to stoop to that level no matter how bad the sign was. And if he really wanted a word with the kid he could have had security bring the kid over and not make a scene in the student section.
 
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CrazedUNHfan said:
I saw the kid after the game and I asked him what it said and he claimed it only said: The Coach's name, (his hometown) sucks, and then How is (Coach's Wife's Name). He also said that he pointed at the coach to show him the sign while he was walking by.

I don't exactly trust the kid on what his sign said but it is completely unacceptable for any coach to go into the stands to single a fan. It is shameful and a disgrace to the program when he got into the fan's face and started screaming profanities at the kid. There is a reason there are security officers at the game and they could have easily handled it. There is no need for a grown man to stoop to that level no matter how bad the sign was. And if he really wanted a word with the kid he could have had security bring the kid over and not make a scene in the student section.
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This is also the same coach who apparently had an issue with the fish being thrown out on the ice...a UNH tradition.
 
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Do we really know that the coach went in the stands? I was sitting in a box above where the visitors exit and I didn't see anything. And do we know exactly what this kid wrote on a sign? And was it plastered agains the glass? And, if all if this is true, what is the thought process that motivates this "kid" to diss the coach, diss the coach's home town (?) and the coach's wife? Did he really think that this was going to fire up the Wildcats and deflate the Huskies? And how about the UNH cops? My observation over the years is that they hang up in the concourse at the far end of the arena watching the game. I'm not sure what their job responsibilities at a game are, but I bet it has nothing to do with policing sign verbiage. So, assuming what has been posted is in fact true, whose responsibility is it to monitor what is posted on the glass? And, if someone is indeed responsible, how did they drop the ball on this occasion, assuming that it was warranted? As an aside, I'll note that I was a the UNH club team game yesterday afternoon (UNH beat BC 2-0) when Black Betty was played. The horrors!

BTW, great weekend for UNH. Special props to Desmith, who made several outstanding saves last night, and to the special teams which had 3 PPG, 2 SHG, and allowed only 1 PPG against on the weekend. Providence will be a test next weekend (when was the last time we said that?). And can someone tell me why we are playing two down there rather than a home and home?
 
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Hmmm, was the last time that "we said playing PC would be a test" the six times we faced them last season? We play the Friars and the Warriors two games away this season because UVM and Notre Dame come to Durham for two. We play Maine home and home on a Friday-Sunday weekend, which is surprising.

Back to Chuck's provocative question about SOG and the six PC games last season; we outshot them 216-192, they out scored us 17-16, but we only mustered one W and one tie. Gillies is an awesome goalie, although Willows solved him in the middle playoff game.
 
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Greg Ambrose said:
Do we really know that the coach went in the stands? I was sitting in a box above where the visitors exit and I didn't see anything. And do we know exactly what this kid wrote on a sign? And was it plastered agains the glass? And, if all if this is true, what is the thought process that motivates this "kid" to diss the coach, diss the coach's home town (?) and the coach's wife? Did he really think that this was going to fire up the Wildcats and deflate the Huskies? And how about the UNH cops? My observation over the years is that they hang up in the concourse at the far end of the arena watching the game. I'm not sure what their job responsibilities at a game are, but I bet it has nothing to do with policing sign verbiage. So, assuming what has been posted is in fact true, whose responsibility is it to monitor what is posted on the glass? And, if someone is indeed responsible, how did they drop the ball on this occasion, assuming that it was warranted?
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So I didn't see the alleged incident, however I heard about it from someone who saw several tweets about it after the game. The story that was relayed to me was not simply that the coach/staffer (wasn't clear which) cursed out the student, but that he assaulted the kid by shoving him to the ground.

In my experience as a prolific sign maker there has rarely been any monitoring or censoring of signs, although arena staff is responsible when it has happened.

Iirc, Providence complained in the past about a "Hide Your Children" sign (not mine), which prompted an intentionally censored sign in future games.

Providence also complained about a sign at a women's game, which noted that a player's birthday was her favorite day (4/20), and arena staff made us take it down. Oddly, the same sign about a women's BC player was fine, and we heard from that BC player that she thought it was funny (though Daddy did not).

In the wake of the BU sexual assault incidents, I know that a sign in the student section prompted arena staff to check all signs coming in the next time BU came to town. That said, staff wasn't being overzealous about prohibiting signs, as while it gave them pause, they let my "Michael Vick Says, Beat The Terriers" sign through.

As to the motivations of a (likely drunk) college kid, are you really trying to seek a logical thought process? Heck, I've seen a group of students who thought that starting a "Vetri has herpes" chant was a great idea.
 
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I guess what bothers me is that college kids, who do have a lot of idle time to create something clever, instead come up with simple drivel. I guess people would tell me that I shouldn't expect much but I continue to think that kids can do the smart thing if steered in the right direction. A sign that engenders the type of response described reflects badly on the student body, the hockey team and the University. But I guess no one cares about that.
 
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Snively65 said:
Back to Chuck's provocative question about SOG and the six PC games last season; we outshot them 216-192, they out scored us 17-16, but we only mustered one W and one tie. Gillies is an awesome goalie, although Willows solved him in the middle playoff game.
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It's even better than that, Snively. In the six games between the teams last season, despite only managing a win and a tie among 4 losses, UNH outshot PC in all games but one. Any guesses as to which game PC outshot UNH? Yup, it was indeed the only game they lost of the six. Here are the gory details:

January 19th: PC 6 @ UNH 5 ... a comfortable PC win despite the superficial "one-goal game" final score ... PC leads 1-0 after one, and stretches things out to a pair of four goal leads in the second period before UNH trims things to 5-2 before the end of the 2nd period. The 3 goal lead is maintained for all but a brief minute through to the final six minutes, when UNH draws back to within two at 6-4, and score with 13 seconds left to account for the final scoreline. PC leads the game for the final 45 minutes, and holds a multi-goal lead for all but a few seconds at the start of the second and end of the 3rd periods. Final SOG favors UNH 42-27. Gillies does not "steal" this game for PC.

February 10th: PC 3 @ UNH 3 ... PC again emerges from the first period up 1-0, UNH draws level in the middle stanza and things are tied 1-1 going into the 3rd period. UNH scores a PPG early in the 3rd period to enjoy a brief 2-1 lead - UNH's only lead over PC at any stage of their regular season series - but a few minutes later, PC's Nick Saracino introduces himself to the good folks of Greater Durham with a pair of goals to stake PC to a 3-2 lead. UNH equalizes late to force OT, but is spent and is somewhat fortunate to hold off PC in OT to salvage a point. Both goalies play well, but neither is designated a "Star of the Game" despite heavy SOG stats, which in the end favor UNH 44-42.

February 13th: @ PC 1 UNH 0 ... scoreless through two periods, PC scores late in the 3rd period to gut out a 1-0 win. Both goalies (and the PC goal scorer Demopoulos) are designated as the three stars, so no "steal" there (I was there, and seem to recall DeSmith stopping a penalty shot?). UNH enjoys a 37-34 SOG advantage. Yippee. :rolleyes:

March 15th (HE QF Game 1): @ PC 3 UNH 2 ... scoreless after one period, PC strikes for two second period goals to take a brief 2-0 lead, but UNH claws one back 20 seconds later on a PPG, and the teams go into the second intermission with PC still up 2-1. UNH ties it up early in the 3rd period, but six minutes later Nick Saracino scores his second goal of the game to put PC back up 3-2, and they make it hold up for the win. UNH outshoots PC 37-25. Neither of the goalies again figures in the "three stars".

March 16th (HE QF Game 2): UNH 4 @ PC 1 ... wow, look what happens here. UNH scores late in the first period to take a 1-0 lead into intermission, and briefly goes up two goals when Matt Willows scores his second of the game early in the second, but that man Saracino pegs a goal back quickly to make it 2-1, which holds up into the second intermission. UNH makes that lead hold up until late in the 3rd period, when two late goals (one ENG) account for the 4-1 final score, forcing the decisive Game 3. PC wins the SOG count for the first (and only) time in the season series, by a wide 39-24 margin. DeSmith earns second star on the evening.

March 17th (HE QF Game 3): PC 3 @ UNH 2 ... PC jumps out with an early goal, but their 1-0 lead does not last into the break, as UNH ties things up 1-1 late in the first, and midway through the second take a brief 2-1 lead via a Downing PPG. Six minutes later, PC equalizes with their own PPG, and a minute later Durham's Public Enemy #1 scores on another power play to put PC ahead for good with the eventual GWG. Predictably, with their season on the line, UNH outshoots PC 11-5 in the 3rd period, and 32-25 overall, but I'm pretty sure that Coach Leaman, his players and his staff have gotten over that, while Coach Umile, his players and his staff took no solace in the final SOG tallies. Gillies earns the top star (I think - it's hard to tell the order from the boxscore), and PC advances to the HE Semis - a destination UNH seems to have lost the coordinates to.

In the meantime, a small-but-hardy faction of UNH afficianados/statisticians re-assure themselves that the data supports the final outcome as an "outlier", and wait for the results to "revert to mean" and eventually "even out in the long run". :rolleyes:

The rest of us scratch our heads and wonder why players like Nick Saracino and Jon Gillies do not come up to play their college hockey at UNH anymore. :(

Looking ahead to this weekend ... maybe the statisticians among us will be proven right, and things will "revert to the mean" with some data-correction driven UNH wins. :) :)

Personally ... I see a certain PC soph left winger sitting on only one (1) goal so far this season, and await the inevitable arrival of "Groundhog Day Chapter 18" ... :eek:
 
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Chuck Murray said:
In the meantime, a small-but-hardy faction of UNH afficianados/statisticians re-assure themselves that the data supports the final outcome as an "outlier", and wait for the results to "revert to mean" and eventually "even out in the long run". :rolleyes:

The rest of us scratch our heads and wonder why players like Nick Saracino and Jon Gillies do not come up to play their college hockey at UNH anymore. :(

Looking ahead to this weekend ... maybe the statisticians among us will be proven right, and things will "revert to the mean" with some data-correction driven UNH wins. :) :)

Personally ... I see a certain PC soph left winger sitting on only one (1) goal so far this season, and await the inevitable arrival of "Groundhog Day Chapter 18" ... :eek:
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I sometimes actually feel like I am talking to a wall. When I originally posted I said that shots on goal was usable because UNH was tied or +/-1 goal for almost every game by the point I said it. Besides the RPI game where Wyer was pulled after 23 minutes UNH was tied with Michigan basically all of the 2 games, tied with Lowell until OT in 1 and then was down 1 until late when Desmith allowed 2 goals back to back, and was only down by 1 to Minnesota at the worst.

Since you refuse to even read anything links that I post I will post it right here. Score has an effect on the shots on goal and that is why I brought up the Corsi statistic earier.


Here are the percentages of (Corsi) shots taken based on score:

57.0% ... down 2+ goals
54.1% ... down 1 goal
50.0% ... tied
46.0% ... up 1 goal
45.1% ... down 2+ goals

In the games that you stated where the shot totals were significantly different guess what? The team that won went up early by at least 2 goals. That has an effect on the shot total and I tried to talk about that but you obviously did not do any background reading on what I was talking about. Instead of sending out backhanded comments read about what I am talking about. Who knows you might actually agree with some of the things they say. No stat is perfect and going game by game actually biases the stat even more. You might not believe in small sample sizes but the next time you put a :rolleyes: you should think about researching the opinion you’re banishing because new doesn’t always mean bad.
 
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And, UNH now sports a #11 SOS (not SOG) ranking. :)
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Please explain briefly to this newbie hockey fan how this stat is vital, will it matter down the line for possible tournament selection? Please excuse the lame question; trying to learn and have a clue! ;)
 
HockeyRef said:
Please explain briefly to this newbie hockey fan how this stat is vital, will it matter down the line for possible tournament selection? Please excuse the lame question; trying to learn and have a clue! ;)
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Unfortunately, SOS does not matter much in the PWR, but perhaps exonerates UNH a bit in their losing a lot of close games to higher ranked teams. In the larger scheme of things, I believe playing a tough OOC schedule early in the season helps a team toughen up for conference games later in the season, although others will argue that Hockey East is tough enough, so we should pad our OOC schedule with easier opponents. The Cats won a bunch of OOC games early last season, but then folded the tents in the second half. I am hoping for the reverse this season.
 
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Snively65 said:
Unfortunately, SOS does not matter much in the PWR, but perhaps exonerates UNH a bit in their losing a lot of close games to higher ranked teams. In the larger scheme of things, I believe playing a tough OOC schedule early in the season helps a team toughen up for conference games later in the season, although others will argue that Hockey East is tough enough, so we should pad our OOC schedule with easier opponents. The Cats won a bunch of OOC games early last season, but then folded the tents in the second half. I am hoping for the reverse this season.
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But the early success enabled them to get a leg up when it came making the NCAA tournament. Over the years that seems to be a favorite way for UNH to make the final 16. That's why there was so much angst when they started out slowly this season. Definitely time to make up ground although playing one less game vs. Hockey East opponents may have an effect on rankings later in the year. Ine the past that third game has given UNH a chance to win a league game against a highly ranked opponent. Of course, if you just win, rankings will take care of themselves.
 
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CrazedUNHfan said:
I sometimes actually feel like I am talking to a wall. When I originally posted I said that shots on goal was usable because UNH was tied or +/-1 goal for almost every game by the point I said it. Besides the RPI game where Wyer was pulled after 23 minutes UNH was tied with Michigan basically all of the 2 games, tied with Lowell until OT in 1 and then was down 1 until late when Desmith allowed 2 goals back to back, and was only down by 1 to Minnesota at the worst.

Since you refuse to even read anything links that I post I will post it right here. Score has an effect on the shots on goal and that is why I brought up the Corsi statistic earier.


Here are the percentages of (Corsi) shots taken based on score:

57.0% ... down 2+ goals
54.1% ... down 1 goal
50.0% ... tied
46.0% ... up 1 goal
45.1% ... down 2+ goals

In the games that you stated where the shot totals were significantly different guess what? The team that won went up early by at least 2 goals. That has an effect on the shot total and I tried to talk about that but you obviously did not do any background reading on what I was talking about. Instead of sending out backhanded comments read about what I am talking about. Who knows you might actually agree with some of the things they say. No stat is perfect and going game by game actually biases the stat even more. You might not believe in small sample sizes but the next time you put a :rolleyes: you should think about researching the opinion you’re banishing because new doesn’t always mean bad.
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Speaking of "talking to a wall" ... wow, how surprising :eek: teams that have a lead tend to play more defensively to hold onto that lead, and teams that fall behind are forced to play more wide-open hockey to catch up. Thank God for Corsi a/k/a "Captain Obvious", I don't think any of us would have figured that one out otherwise. :rolleyes:

Just playing along for now ... but does Captain Obvious have any "advanced analytics" insight into the relative quality of the 57% of shots for the trailing team vs. the quality of the 43% shots generated by the leading team? You know, important insightful stuff that actually could give a team a competitive edge, rather than just spouting numbers?
 
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Snively65 said:
Unfortunately, SOS does not matter much in the PWR
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I think I need to disagree here :D
RPI is important in the PWR. Something in excess of 50% (I believe - easy to look up) is your opponents' record, and 28% (or so) their opponents' record. Aren't those two components of RPI what they use to determine SOS?
 
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Aerman said:
I think I need to disagree here :D
RPI is important in the PWR. Something in excess of 50% (I believe - easy to look up) is your opponents' record, and 28% (or so) their opponents' record. Aren't those two components of RPI what they use to determine SOS?
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Yes, I agree, which is the reason that I added the word "much" to my statement. :)
 
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