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UNH Wildcats 2012-2013 Postseason Thread

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This is not a big problem of course. Marty has a lot more on his plate than thinking about hockey coach succession plans that may not happen for another five years or more. But he should file away the Maine experience in his memory bank. And I think Chuck is right that Umile is the third oldest coach in D1 right now. Still got a lot of energy though.
 
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Mike Ayers is a candidate to replace Cav at BC. If that happens and he does well, could be your next head coach.
 
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Greg Ambrose said:
Begs the questions as to why he wasn't consider a candidate at UNH two years ago.
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I believe the UNH job opened up just a couple weeks after Ayers had signed on with the USNTDP. Interesting he is being considered for the BC job, that could set up nicely for a Umile replacement as JD mentioned.
 
Saetia22 said:
I believe the UNH job opened up just a couple weeks after Ayers had signed on with the USNTDP. Interesting he is being considered for the BC job, that could set up nicely for a Umile replacement as JD mentioned.
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Just saw on twitter that Ayers has been hired by BC. Account is @russbites. It was a RT that showed up on my feed.
 
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if an up and coming asst with no college experience is good enough for BC, no reason it shouldn't be good enough for UNH when the time comes.
 
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Tale of two senior managers whose work force consists of 18-24 year olds. The first trusts kids. For players, he provides them encouragement to trust their own abilities and surprisingly, the kids want to play for him. He recognizes the need for contemporary mentorship, and consistently hires youngsters with little or no NCAA experience to mentor. Mike Cavanagh had no experience, Scott Paluch had no experience, Greg Brown had no experience, and now Ayers has no experience.

The other senior manager does not trust kids. He wants them to do only what he says, follow instructions, and success comes from hard work and following his instructions and systems. In turn, the solution to problems is to make his message louder. Thus, he surrounds himself with his own contemporaries.

Two of these things are not like the other

Hired

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Great post, Watcher. :) Maybe Monty will be the next hire - seems to fit a certain pattern. :D
 
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Quote from NCAA Watcher:
"Tale of two senior managers whose work force consists of 18-24 year olds. The first trusts kids. For players, he provides them encouragement to trust their own abilities and surprisingly, the kids want to play for him. He recognizes the need for contemporary mentorship, and consistently hires youngsters with little or no NCAA experience to mentor. Mike Cavanagh had no experience, Scott Paluch had no experience, Greg Brown had no experience, and now Ayers has no experience.

The other senior manager does not trust kids. He wants them to do only what he says, follow instructions, and success comes from hard work and following his instructions and systems. In turn, the solution to problems is to make his message louder. Thus, he surrounds himself with his own contemporaries.

Two of these things are not like the other"

This is unbelievable. NCAA Watcher has captured the ethos surrounding the UNH men's ice hockey staff, led by the head coach, in as few a words as possible. One would almost think he has played for UNH and experienced the atmosphere surrounding the .... "if your one of my old buddies I'll hire you as an assistant because I do not want to be second guessed." I applaud Watchers observation and comment.
 
sonar said:
Quote from NCAA Watcher:
"Tale of two senior managers whose work force consists of 18-24 year olds. The first trusts kids. For players, he provides them encouragement to trust their own abilities and surprisingly, the kids want to play for him. He recognizes the need for contemporary mentorship, and consistently hires youngsters with little or no NCAA experience to mentor. Mike Cavanagh had no experience, Scott Paluch had no experience, Greg Brown had no experience, and now Ayers has no experience.

The other senior manager does not trust kids. He wants them to do only what he says, follow instructions, and success comes from hard work and following his instructions and systems. In turn, the solution to problems is to make his message louder. Thus, he surrounds himself with his own contemporaries.

Two of these things are not like the other"

This is unbelievable. NCAA Watcher has captured the ethos surrounding the UNH men's ice hockey staff, led by the head coach, in as few a words as possible. One would almost think he has played for UNH and experienced the atmosphere surrounding the .... "if your one of my old buddies I'll hire you as an assistant because I do not want to be second guessed." I applaud Watchers observation and comment.
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I agree, Watcher's posts are always spot on. He shows a major reason why UNH will most likely never win a title with the status quo.
 
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NCAA watcher said:
Tale of two senior managers whose work force consists of 18-24 year olds. The first trusts kids. For players, he provides them encouragement to trust their own abilities and surprisingly, the kids want to play for him. He recognizes the need for contemporary mentorship, and consistently hires youngsters with little or no NCAA experience to mentor. Mike Cavanagh had no experience, Scott Paluch had no experience, Greg Brown had no experience, and now Ayers has no experience.

The other senior manager does not trust kids. He wants them to do only what he says, follow instructions, and success comes from hard work and following his instructions and systems. In turn, the solution to problems is to make his message louder. Thus, he surrounds himself with his own contemporaries.

As much as I respect your opinions, your comment that Umile does not "trust" kids is pretty harsh. I am sure the way he looks at this is that his method of operation that he has used since he became coach has worked pretty well. Okay, no national championship but plenty of accomplishment, especially compared to 90% of D1 schools. He is certainly not going to change now, pushing 65 and heading into his 24th year behind the bench. Umile is a different person that York, you can see that in public comments and his demeanor on the bench. Every manager operates differently, in every industry. Some nurture, some don't. I don't think there is a right way or a wrong way to do this. Jim Madigan has a young staff at Northeastern, same with Mike Dennehy at Merrimack. how's that working out for them?
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look on the bright side, with guys like ayers/souza/ciocco making waves in the industry, you should have a quality young coach in place when whistling dick does retire.
 
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From nhl.com article on Brett Pesce:

"I had to earn my spot," Pesce told NHL.com. "In the beginning of the year, I wasn't getting as much playing time as I usually had in the past, but [associate coach] Jim Tortorella taught me a lot and really helped step up my game. Toward the end of the year, he was giving me time on the penalty kill and 5-on-5. I'm thankful for that."
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Ayers to BC looks like a fantastic move for UNH...

Ayers gets to learn at the elbow of the current master of college hockey. Ayers gets to see how things are done at BC and a different way to operate.

All the repect in the world to Holt and now Umile but what they both do hasn't shown a consistent way to get it done. Too often under both UNH just didn't seem prepared the "right" way for the big game. My test is swap Umile and Walsh in 1999 and does the Umile coach Maine team win that game? How about the 2006-07 or the 2007-08 UNH teams that came out oh so tight in the NCAAs to get bounced in the 1st round by lower seeds would York have done better? There is something in that game prep history that leave UNH teams tight - may have been solved with the recent run of 1st round NCAA wins...

In 3 to 5 years when Umile is ready to step down, Ayers will be ready to step in having been assistant coach for several HE tournament champs and at least 1 NCAA champ (based on York's run rate). This will make the UNH Admin (read budget) happy as the cost of a proven head coach is much higher than a 1st time head coach. Hopefully Ayers can bring with him that something that UNH's staff can't get across and can push UNH over the top.

I just can't wait for the fall of 2018...
 
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JB said:
Ayers to BC looks like a fantastic move for UNH...

Ayers gets to learn at the elbow of the current master of college hockey. Ayers gets to see how things are done at BC and a different way to operate.

All the repect in the world to Holt and now Umile but what they both do hasn't shown a consistent way to get it done. Too often under both UNH just didn't seem prepared the "right" way for the big game. My test is swap Umile and Walsh in 1999 and does the Umile coach Maine team win that game? How about the 2006-07 or the 2007-08 UNH teams that came out oh so tight in the NCAAs to get bounced in the 1st round by lower seeds would York have done better? There is something in that game prep history that leave UNH teams tight - may have been solved with the recent run of 1st round NCAA wins...

In 3 to 5 years when Umile is ready to step down, Ayers will be ready to step in having been assistant coach for several HE tournament champs and at least 1 NCAA champ (based on York's run rate). This will make the UNH Admin (read budget) happy as the cost of a proven head coach is much higher than a 1st time head coach. Hopefully Ayers can bring with him that something that UNH's staff can't get across and can push UNH over the top.

I just can't wait for the fall of 2018...
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Whoa... slow down there.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Whoa... slow down there.
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:)

Hey on that plan by 2022 UNH should have the big hardware... just 9 short years away...

You Maroon-and-Golder's don't mind a Blue and White guy standing on the back bumper for a little while, do ya?
:rolleyes:
 
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JB said:
Too often under both UNH just didn't seem prepared the "right" way for the big game. My test is swap Umile and Walsh in 1999 and does the Umile coach Maine team win that game? How about the 2006-07 or the 2007-08 UNH teams that came out oh so tight in the NCAAs to get bounced in the 1st round by lower seeds would York have done better? There is something in that game prep history that leave UNH teams tight - may have been solved with the recent run of 1st round NCAA wins...

In 3 to 5 years when Umile is ready to step down, Ayers will be ready to step in having been assistant coach for several HE tournament champs and at least 1 NCAA champ (based on York's run rate). This will make the UNH Admin (read budget) happy as the cost of a proven head coach is much higher than a 1st time head coach. Hopefully Ayers can bring with him that something that UNH's staff can't get across and can push UNH over the top.

I just can't wait for the fall of 2018...
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You can criticize Umile for the '08 collapse, I really thought that team had a chance to win it all. But '99 is a different story. Maine and UNH (as well as BC) were pretty much equal that year. When you lose a game in double overtime, after you almost win it (John Sadowski), it's pretty hard to blame it on the coach or the players. Just a bounce of the puck. If you're going to do that, give Umile credit for winning HE in '03 (Ryan Whitney).

I do like your fantasizing though. Looks like in a few short years we'll have all these alums to choose from I guess. Be careful for what you wish for. Let's see how any of these guys pan out, both on recruiting the players and coaching them up. Look at those alums who are already in the coaching ranks and tell me how they have produced.
 
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