That cant be. Do they still print a Hockey East booklet? What page is he on? Even if they went in alphabetical order using University, then Univ of Vermont would always be on the page after Univ of New Hampshire. Damn proof readers.
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UNH- How Far West Do We Go?
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TheGrouchyCat
Litter Box of Bad Ideas
He had no other options, so he signed the contract. No one can blame him for that.
This contract scenario only confirmed that SB is as incompetent as many on this board suspected her to be. Her JD should be revoked.
He makes $10k less than the UVM coach. If this team was top of HE and winning 20+ games you don’t think he’d be asking for a raise? Pay for performance all around. He has failed in every aspect.
JB
Desk Chair Coach
I guess the real questions are:
1) Did Souza get an extension because
3) which key is it....
Is the key that Souza is low paid? - so paying Souza more gets you more wins, coin operated coach
Is the key that Souza is getting paid what he is worth? - I don't think he is worth what he is getting paid, he is getting a heck of a deal
Is the key that they believe they can't possibly ever get anybody better than Souza at that pay? - I think many NH high school hockey coaches could do just as bad for the same or less pay
1) Did Souza get an extension because
a) TDL donation
b) he is a known commodity with a history with the school and a well timed media campaign (Souza was more in the media that contract year than before or since)
c) he is cheap (I think if this was the case $240k was more than the should have offered)
2) Could UNH get a better or even just as crappy coach for $240k a year, or less?3) which key is it....
Is the key that Souza is low paid? - so paying Souza more gets you more wins, coin operated coach
Is the key that Souza is getting paid what he is worth? - I don't think he is worth what he is getting paid, he is getting a heck of a deal
Is the key that they believe they can't possibly ever get anybody better than Souza at that pay? - I think many NH high school hockey coaches could do just as bad for the same or less pay
Congrats Cy! Wonder if he will work his way up to the Eagles to play with his former teammate Alex Gagne.
Best of luck to him!
If it's all the same with you, I'd rather they didn't.
I was not exactly jumping for joy when Borek was hired after they let Mark Dennehey go. I was hoping for someone young and dynamic, and thought that Scott was someone with a bit of mileage. I've since come around.
He's made some great pick ups in the portal the past few years (Hoskin has been an excellent addition) and his recruting has been solid. 'Mack's never gonna get the 5 star players, but he's finding a couple of 4 star and solid second tier guys to build a TEAM (not just a collection of high end talent). AND he's finding some Euro players too, especially in net.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
This much we know for sure ... MS7 is WAY better at personal finances than he is at coaching hockey. He was basically given a 3 year extension at the same rate of pay he's been on since his initial hiring, which is a reflection of how little he has impressed the world in his current position. Most folks who were confident in their own abilities and had a better track record would see this as an insult of sorts, and either seek alternate employment in the field - which he would be able to drive IF he had the track record to leverage it - or force his current employer into a more lucrative yet shorter term deal. Basically a "show me" deal many of us pressed for after his lone 20 win season. Taking the longer term/lower annual salary guaranteed deal was absolutely the safe way out. And when offered it, he accepted it.
The cold hard truth is, Souza was pragmatic in jumping on the longer term, pay-stays-level deal because he knew he couldn't do better than what he signed.
cpo pottymole has regaled us many times with his observations about how unimpressive a $240,000 annual salary is, and how scads of folks on here are just "jealous" because such a paycheck is beyond their reach. That's our man of the people, after all. Yet despite the "modest" level of MS7's current earnings, and assurances from the resident board genius to the contrary, MS7 has stayed put. Ever think you should be giving a financial pep talk to MS7 instead of the board in general, potty?!?
I found online that Steve Wiedler’s four-year UVM contract with a base salary of $250k/year begun in July 2024 includes an annual increase in line with other head coaches at UVM (whatever that amount might be), along with nine bonus incentives that add up to a potential but extremely unlikely $70k/year: for example, #10k for National COY, $10k for HEA first place in regular season, $5k for top 20 in PWR (pre-NPI), $5k for trip to the Garden, $5k for at-large NCAA bid, $5k per win jn NCAAs, so $20k total, $5k HEA COY, and $5k for team GPA at 3.1+, $5k for academic progress rate (APR) of 1.0000. The last two #5k bonuses sound achievable.
deltabravo62
Active member
Souza's contract also has performance kickers. Aside from academically based ones, he has not achieved a single bonus in the entirety of his time as UNH HC. His potential bonuses in his previous contract equals $82,500 per year. Academic bonuses are $4,000 per year. I did not pull his most recent contract extension so there may be some variance
Robert Balin
Active member
We'll at least he's consistent. What a guy saving UNH 82.500.00 a year for 8 straight years.
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
So ... midday yesterday, I stopped by the Effingwoods Post Office to pick up a parcel, and on my way in, I passed an older gentleman (kinda my age, actually!!) wearing a UNH Hockey cap on his way out. Brief exchange of "g'days", but wondered afterwards if it might be one of my fellow USCHO UNH-centric posters??
Read earlier today that Minnesota women’s hockey HC is moving on from Brad Frost after 19 seasons leading the program (including 4 NCAA championships). The program did tail off a bit the last couple of years. But they still made the NCAA quarterfinals, and won 20+ games every year of his tenure outside of the COVID shortened 2020-2021, including an insanely perfect 41-0 in 2012-2013. He finishes with a record of 556-131-43.
Talk about demanding excellence. If Minnesota can move on from a coach with that resume, what does it say about UNH holding on to a coach with only ONE winning season under his belt?
I wonder if Frost will get interest to coach on the mens side. He is probably priced out at UNH, but he clearly knows how to coach, even with I imagine ubiquitous resources at Minnesota.
kstp.com
Talk about demanding excellence. If Minnesota can move on from a coach with that resume, what does it say about UNH holding on to a coach with only ONE winning season under his belt?
I wonder if Frost will get interest to coach on the mens side. He is probably priced out at UNH, but he clearly knows how to coach, even with I imagine ubiquitous resources at Minnesota.
Brad Frost out as Gophers women’s hockey coach
The University of Minnesota has dismissed women’s hockey coach Brad Frost after 19 seasons, citing a full review of the program’s performance.
kstp.com
Is Andy Jones from Bentley making more than MS7? Doubtful. Offer him $230,000 so you save a few dollars, use the extra bucks to cater a Thank You event for all of the old Friends of Hockey group and hand them funds to establish a new group. To sweeten the Jones deal financially and incentivize him to kick ass and put more asses in the seats, offer him a % % % of the increased ticket revenue (the REAL attendance figures, not the fans disguised as seats numbers) to supplement his salary. Win more, seat more, make more. Even if he moves on 5 years down the road after turning the program around, you are STILL in a better position than Fluffer's Eeyore depression scenario.
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I saw that. That's pretty wild actually...Read earlier today that Minnesota women’s hockey HC is moving on from Brad Frost after 19 seasons leading the program (including 4 NCAA championships). The program did tail off a bit the last couple of years. But they still made the NCAA quarterfinals, and won 20+ games every year of his tenure outside of the COVID shortened 2020-2021, including an insanely perfect 41-0 in 2012-2013. He finishes with a record of 556-131-43.
Talk about demanding excellence. If Minnesota can move on from a coach with that resume, what does it say about UNH holding on to a coach with only ONE winning season under his belt?
I wonder if Frost will get interest to coach on the mens side. He is probably priced out at UNH, but he clearly knows how to coach, even with I imagine ubiquitous resources at Minnesota.
Brad Frost out as Gophers women’s hockey coach
The University of Minnesota has dismissed women’s hockey coach Brad Frost after 19 seasons, citing a full review of the program’s performance.
TheGrouchyCat
Litter Box of Bad Ideas
Lol, it wasn't me!
Looked into this a bit more. I wonder if something happened off the ice, as it mentioned “after a full review of program performance on and off the ice”… I wonder if there was some misbehavior of some sort that also led to this.
I imagine more will come out on this over the next week or two. I agree though it is wild - they made it to the QUARTERFINALS for the NCAAs just this year!
If/when we ever make it back there, I think we would all be happy handing out 3-5 year contract extensions without a second thought.
I imagine more will come out on this over the next week or two. I agree though it is wild - they made it to the QUARTERFINALS for the NCAAs just this year!
If/when we ever make it back there, I think we would all be happy handing out 3-5 year contract extensions without a second thought.
There’s the typical New Hampshire level of financial acumen and creativity! It’s pretty clear now why Whalers lives with his parents at age 50 and delivers pizzas part time.
Tomorrow Whalers will post that UNH should offer $225k and save $15k! And add a half price hot dog night next January to help with ticket sales!
ClOuD 9
Well-known member
Hilary Witt is on a little less than half his wage, fwiw.Read earlier today that Minnesota women’s hockey HC is moving on from Brad Frost after 19 seasons leading the program (including 4 NCAA championships). The program did tail off a bit the last couple of years. But they still made the NCAA quarterfinals, and won 20+ games every year of his tenure outside of the COVID shortened 2020-2021, including an insanely perfect 41-0 in 2012-2013. He finishes with a record of 556-131-43.
Talk about demanding excellence. If Minnesota can move on from a coach with that resume, what does it say about UNH holding on to a coach with only ONE winning season under his belt?
I wonder if Frost will get interest to coach on the mens side. He is probably priced out at UNH, but he clearly knows how to coach, even with I imagine ubiquitous resources at Minnesota.
Brad Frost out as Gophers women’s hockey coach
The University of Minnesota has dismissed women’s hockey coach Brad Frost after 19 seasons, citing a full review of the program’s performance.
Would bite your hand off to make that switch and reboot the UNH women's program; but as you say, the resources just wouldn't be there.
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Witts coaching longevity at UNH is what scares me about the liklihood of Souza sticking around indefinitely…Hilary Witt is on a little less than half his wage, fwiw.
Would bite your hand off to make that switch and reboot the UNH women's program; but as you say, the resources just wouldn't be there.
While I don’t think she has been as bad as Souza (they finished 5th this year - I think we would all be much happier in that range vs 10-11th year in/year out). She’s never gotten above 20 wins, and never more than 3 games above .500. I remember there were a number of people who were more surprised by her contract extension following the 23-24 season tham with MS7, coming off his lone (playoff-aided) 20 win season.
The liklihood to make money for the school is a lot higher with the mens program vs. women, so I hope the leash is much MUCH shorter with Souza tham with Witt. Perhaps they are content with around 0.500 every year with the women. We have RARELY gotten that with the men over Souza’s tenure…
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