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UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Hate to be the guy to pee in the end-of-season punchbowl … but tonight meant nothing.
Window dressing for an awful stretch run - anytime this team needed a win, they didn't get it.
Disappointed, annoyed, aggravated, take your pick. Not good enough.
Hate to be the guy to pee in the end-of-season punchbowl … but tonight meant nothing.
Window dressing for an awful stretch run - anytime this team needed a win, they didn't get it.
Disappointed, annoyed, aggravated, take your pick. Not good enough.
scoreboard
Registered User
Yup, last year the team at least made it to the playoffs. This team is not getting better. Results don’t lie. 0-4-2 in last six games.
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Fun fact: With tonight's tie, UNH narrowly avoids tying program record of 5 straight losing seasons. The first time that it happened was during the "Dark Ages" years of 1984-1989.
A not-so-fun fact: UNH will miss the Hockey East playoffs for the first time since 1987-88. THAT'S 32 YEARS, FOLKS. . Let that sink in just a bit. 
(And yes, I get it, Hockey East changed the rules this year, yada,yada, yada.....But still.....
HAVE A GREAT SUMMER EVERYONE!
FORE!!!!
Fun fact: With tonight's tie, UNH narrowly avoids tying program record of 5 straight losing seasons. The first time that it happened was during the "Dark Ages" years of 1984-1989.
A not-so-fun fact: UNH will miss the Hockey East playoffs for the first time since 1987-88. THAT'S 32 YEARS, FOLKS.
. Let that sink in just a bit. (And yes, I get it, Hockey East changed the rules this year, yada,yada, yada.....But still.....
HAVE A GREAT SUMMER EVERYONE!
FORE!!!!
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Hey snively 4 goals this weekend! 5 really but I digress. While I am sad we arent moving on I'm very proud of them tonight. Lots of food for thought for the off season.
Hey feel free to turn off the lights on this thread. Im ready for Spring and my Bruins!!!!
Hey snively 4 goals this weekend! 5 really but I digress. While I am sad we arent moving on I'm very proud of them tonight. Lots of food for thought for the off season.
Hey feel free to turn off the lights on this thread. Im ready for Spring and my Bruins!!!!
scoreboard
Registered User
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
There is chatter that Sacred Heart may be looking to be Hockey East’s 12th team with their new arena on the horizon. Can UNH block that bid?
Record against common opponents according to pairwise:
UNH 1-7
Sacred Heart 4-1-2
There is chatter that Sacred Heart may be looking to be Hockey East’s 12th team with their new arena on the horizon. Can UNH block that bid?
Record against common opponents according to pairwise:
UNH 1-7
Sacred Heart 4-1-2
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Tough crowd here, HR. Cats raised their season goal total to 92 this weekend, 3 more than last year, and 4 more than two years ago, and in 3 and 4 fewer games per season, respectively. So, Cats raised their goals per game from 2.44 to 2.54 to 2.875, which should project to over 3.0 GPG next season. I see a winning season coming up again soon.
deltabravo62
Active member
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
It is too bad that tonight was just a tease of what the last several weeks could have been. I'll enjoy the one game for what it was but the end of the season was just a downward spiral that landed the team outside the playoff picture. I'm left with a lot more questions for next season and the future than answers, hoping to see a more sustained positive turn starting next October.
It is too bad that tonight was just a tease of what the last several weeks could have been. I'll enjoy the one game for what it was but the end of the season was just a downward spiral that landed the team outside the playoff picture. I'm left with a lot more questions for next season and the future than answers, hoping to see a more sustained positive turn starting next October.
scoreboard
Registered User
Tough crowd here, HR. Cats raised their season goal total to 92 this weekend, 3 more than last year, and 4 more than two years ago, and in 3 and 4 fewer games per season, respectively. So, Cats raised their goals per game from 2.44 to 2.54 to 2.875, which should project to over 3.0 GPG next season. I see a winning season coming up again soon.
Snively, I like your positive attitude. Unfortunately, goals mean little when you give up more than you get.
Hockey East games
54 goals for vs 69 against
All games
91 goals for vs 97 against
ClOuD 9
Well-known member
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Women's hockey: .500 or below 9 of the last 10 seasons
(Women's seasons .500 or below 1977-2010: ONE, .500 in 2000-2001)
Scarano must have nude pictures of the USNH board of trustees.
Men's hockey: .500 or below 7 of the last 10 seasonsFun fact: With tonight's tie, UNH narrowly avoids tying program record of 5 straight losing seasons. The first time that it happened was during the "Dark Ages" years of 1984-1989.
Women's hockey: .500 or below 9 of the last 10 seasons
(Women's seasons .500 or below 1977-2010: ONE, .500 in 2000-2001)
Scarano must have nude pictures of the USNH board of trustees.
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Good point. Also, I got total goals wrong for this year and last, corrected below. Note that we also improved this season in our goals against.
2019-2020: 91 G, 2.84 GPG, 97 GA
2018-2019: 90 G, 2.57 GPG, 103 GA
2017-2018: 88 G, 2.44 GPG, 104 GA
I know, along with a 0.500 record, just baby steps, but at least it is improvement. But, can that improvement continue without No. 8?
BCeagle
Registered User
Meaningless game for both teams but UNH went down fighting. I was happy BC salvaged a point when they should have lost last night
NCAA watcher
Registered User
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Just more evidence of how bad the rink is hurting the teams
Identify the problem and a sucker with money to CON and you become Commissioner of Hockey East. It's called failing upward.
I will be interested in Mike's post season wrap up. The flooding of recruits suggests (finally) some sense of urgency after a passive five years of transition. Usually you see that in year one of a transition (remember UMass cutting 8 kids right away)? The way Scarano and Umile set it up, they neutered Souza's ability by not giving him power and making him an assistant. Even when he took the top position he worked to maintain continuity rather than shake things up. You can't "change the culture" by not only not cutting existing guys, but then keeping them as 5th year seniors, when they already have satisfied the implied four year obligations. Souza has done that with a couple of marginal guys, and has another one on the roster who really has not earned a fifth year. Will we see some real changes to the culture?
Perhaps we are seeing the first signs of him asserting himself. At some point he needs to stop being the "nice guy" and take drastic steps. Greg A points out that UNH clawed out of the bad days, but really it was an intense group of Kullen and Coady, who immediately cleaned house and sold new kids on the direction of the new boss. They didn't do it gradually -- the first two recruiting classes were four NHLers and several all-americans like Amodeo. Same with McClosky, who was both personable but incredibly intense. And the gold standard, Shawn Walsh was intense. And it sells to the kids -- they know whose going places by will alone. Just "getting along and not making waves" and being OK being neutered by your boss for three years is something that has to be changed -- that's all on Mike reinventing who he is -- a daunting challenge, especially for a 40 year old "kid" in the game.
The jump start is not usually gradual -- each new coach earns or loses credibility quickly as a story line evolves. Mike has a short remaining window to create some excitement before falling into that "we know him, he's OK" category where a couple of network guys will refer players (see below) but for the top guys they will pass.
Step 2 is recognizing one's limitations and getting someone who can do those things you are bad at. Souza is a bad recruiter. His track record at Brown and at U.Conn establish this, and his three years at UNH 2015 to 2018 are the reason for the major holes in the roster. There are worrisome signs on the inability to "close" on kids who have a tie to the program. Souza needs someone with ties beyond the Boston Advantage program or his Lou Finocchio Austin Prep/Malden Catholic kids. The defensive pipeline is decent, and so it should be OK going forward. The offensive pipeline is pretty weak. I see 4 with potential top two line upside (Richels, Cafarelli, Turner and Sacco) but 5 kids who will struggle for playing time. That's not a great ratio.
2020-21
Jr.Crookshank---Jr.Pierson---------Sr.Kelleher
Fr.Richels--------Jr.Engaras -------Sr.Grasso
Sr.Sato-----------So.Stevenson----Sr.MacAdams
Fr.Margel---------Fr.Cafarelli-------Jr.Esposito
Jr.Cipollone------So.Herrmann-----Sr.Sacco
Fr.Sweeney------So.Hankinson---Fr.Gendron
Sr.Maass---------So.Eriksson
Jr.MacKinnon----Fr.Reid
Fr.Jenson-------Jr.Verrier
So.McElhaney----Fr.Nagle
Jr.Hickey
2021-22
Sr.Crookshank--Sr.Pierson------Sr.Engaras
So.Richels-------Jr.Stevenson-----So.Cafarelli
Sr.Esposito------So.Margel--------Fr.D.Sacco
Fr.Devlin---------Fr.Bakos-------Fr.Cronin
Sr.Cipollone----Jr.Herrmann-------Fr.Curran
Fr.J.Ring-------So.Sweeney-------Jr.Hankinson
So.Gendron
Jr.Eriksson--------Fr.Ardanaz
Sr.MacKinnon-----So.Reid
Sr.Verrier----------Fr.Gagne
Jr.McElhaney------Fr.Penney
So.Nagle----------So.Jenson
Sr.Hickey
2022-23
Jr.Richels------Sr.Stevenson---Jr.Cafarelli
-------Fr.Turner--------So.D.Sacco
Jr.Margel--------So.Bakos--------So.Curran
So.Devlin--------Sr.Herrmann----So.Cronin
So.J.Ring-------Fr.Leclerc--------Sr.Hankinson
---Fr.Winters-------Jr.Sweeney--JrGendron
SoArdanaz-----Sr.Eriksson
Jr.Reid---------Fr.Carfagna
So.Gagne------So.Penney
Sr.McElhaney-----Jr.Nagle
Jr.Jenson
At this point, the Madigan model is what we could realistically aspire to: a decent track record that gets a boost by hiring a young proven assistant (Jerry Keefe) who actually had success at Brown, and kids even followed him because they believed in him (NHLers Kevin Roy, Aston-Reese). We can't just carry the myth that Mike will be a great recruiter because he's likeable -- this is an area in which UNH needs dramatic accountability.
Just more evidence of how bad the rink is hurting the teams
Identify the problem and a sucker with money to CON and you become Commissioner of Hockey East. It's called failing upward.
I will be interested in Mike's post season wrap up. The flooding of recruits suggests (finally) some sense of urgency after a passive five years of transition. Usually you see that in year one of a transition (remember UMass cutting 8 kids right away)? The way Scarano and Umile set it up, they neutered Souza's ability by not giving him power and making him an assistant. Even when he took the top position he worked to maintain continuity rather than shake things up. You can't "change the culture" by not only not cutting existing guys, but then keeping them as 5th year seniors, when they already have satisfied the implied four year obligations. Souza has done that with a couple of marginal guys, and has another one on the roster who really has not earned a fifth year. Will we see some real changes to the culture?
Perhaps we are seeing the first signs of him asserting himself. At some point he needs to stop being the "nice guy" and take drastic steps. Greg A points out that UNH clawed out of the bad days, but really it was an intense group of Kullen and Coady, who immediately cleaned house and sold new kids on the direction of the new boss. They didn't do it gradually -- the first two recruiting classes were four NHLers and several all-americans like Amodeo. Same with McClosky, who was both personable but incredibly intense. And the gold standard, Shawn Walsh was intense. And it sells to the kids -- they know whose going places by will alone. Just "getting along and not making waves" and being OK being neutered by your boss for three years is something that has to be changed -- that's all on Mike reinventing who he is -- a daunting challenge, especially for a 40 year old "kid" in the game.
The jump start is not usually gradual -- each new coach earns or loses credibility quickly as a story line evolves. Mike has a short remaining window to create some excitement before falling into that "we know him, he's OK" category where a couple of network guys will refer players (see below) but for the top guys they will pass.
Step 2 is recognizing one's limitations and getting someone who can do those things you are bad at. Souza is a bad recruiter. His track record at Brown and at U.Conn establish this, and his three years at UNH 2015 to 2018 are the reason for the major holes in the roster. There are worrisome signs on the inability to "close" on kids who have a tie to the program. Souza needs someone with ties beyond the Boston Advantage program or his Lou Finocchio Austin Prep/Malden Catholic kids. The defensive pipeline is decent, and so it should be OK going forward. The offensive pipeline is pretty weak. I see 4 with potential top two line upside (Richels, Cafarelli, Turner and Sacco) but 5 kids who will struggle for playing time. That's not a great ratio.
2020-21
Jr.Crookshank---Jr.Pierson---------Sr.Kelleher
Fr.Richels--------Jr.Engaras -------Sr.Grasso
Sr.Sato-----------So.Stevenson----Sr.MacAdams
Fr.Margel---------Fr.Cafarelli-------Jr.Esposito
Jr.Cipollone------So.Herrmann-----Sr.Sacco
Fr.Sweeney------So.Hankinson---Fr.Gendron
Sr.Maass---------So.Eriksson
Jr.MacKinnon----Fr.Reid
Fr.Jenson-------Jr.Verrier
So.McElhaney----Fr.Nagle
Jr.Hickey
2021-22
Sr.Crookshank--Sr.Pierson------Sr.Engaras
So.Richels-------Jr.Stevenson-----So.Cafarelli
Sr.Esposito------So.Margel--------Fr.D.Sacco
Fr.Devlin---------Fr.Bakos-------Fr.Cronin
Sr.Cipollone----Jr.Herrmann-------Fr.Curran
Fr.J.Ring-------So.Sweeney-------Jr.Hankinson
So.Gendron
Jr.Eriksson--------Fr.Ardanaz
Sr.MacKinnon-----So.Reid
Sr.Verrier----------Fr.Gagne
Jr.McElhaney------Fr.Penney
So.Nagle----------So.Jenson
Sr.Hickey
2022-23
Jr.Richels------Sr.Stevenson---Jr.Cafarelli
-------Fr.Turner--------So.D.Sacco
Jr.Margel--------So.Bakos--------So.Curran
So.Devlin--------Sr.Herrmann----So.Cronin
So.J.Ring-------Fr.Leclerc--------Sr.Hankinson
---Fr.Winters-------Jr.Sweeney--JrGendron
SoArdanaz-----Sr.Eriksson
Jr.Reid---------Fr.Carfagna
So.Gagne------So.Penney
Sr.McElhaney-----Jr.Nagle
Jr.Jenson
At this point, the Madigan model is what we could realistically aspire to: a decent track record that gets a boost by hiring a young proven assistant (Jerry Keefe) who actually had success at Brown, and kids even followed him because they believed in him (NHLers Kevin Roy, Aston-Reese). We can't just carry the myth that Mike will be a great recruiter because he's likeable -- this is an area in which UNH needs dramatic accountability.
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HockeyRef
Well-known member
Thanks for this...going to the wire..coming back from a 2 goal deficit and taking it to OT was ****ed admirable esp knowing the games outcome did not "matter". Going 1-1-1 with BC this season is better than the 'Cats have done for years. Too bad we could not find that game when we needed it...but I'm proud of them nonetheless. Good luck going forward.
Oh..and the game "mattered" to the fans who went amd to the 'Cats. They could have mailed it in finding out right before they weren't going ahead in their season. Interestingly for me at least, I actually found a sense of enjoyment being there. I'm sad its over...
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HockeyRef
Well-known member
Just more evidence of how bad the rink is hurting the teams
Identify the problem and a sucker with money to CON and you become Commissioner of Hockey East. It's called failing upward.
I will be interested in Mike's post season wrap up. The flooding of recruits suggests (finally) some sense of urgency after a passive five years of transition. Usually you see that in year one of a transition (remember UMass cutting 8 kids right away)? The way Scarano and Umile set it up, they neutered Souza's ability by not giving him power and making him an assistant. Even when he took the top position he worked to maintain continuity rather than shake things up. You can't "change the culture" by not only not cutting existing guys, but then keeping them as 5th year seniors, when they already have satisfied the implied four year obligations. Souza has done that with a couple of marginal guys, and has another one on the roster who really has not earned a fifth year. Will we see some real changes to the culture?
Perhaps we are seeing the first signs of him asserting himself. At some point he needs to stop being the "nice guy" and take drastic steps. Greg A points out that UNH clawed out of the bad days, but really it was an intense group of Kullen and Coady, who immediately cleaned house and sold new kids on the direction of the new boss. Same with McClosky, who was both personable but incredibly intense. And the gold standard, Shawn Walsh was intense. And it sells to the kids -- they know whose going places by will alone. Just "getting along and not making waves" and being OK being neutered by your boss for three years is something that has to be changed -- that's all on Mike changing his mindset.
Step 2 is recognizing one's limitations and getting someone who can do those things you are bad at. Souza is a bad recruiter. His track record at Brown and at U.Conn establish this, and his three years at UNH 2015 to 2018 are the reason for the major holes in the roster. Souza needs someone with ties beyond the Boston Advantage program or his Lou Finocchio Austin Prep/Malden Catholic kids. The defensive pipeline is decent, and so it should be OK going forward. The offensive pipeline is pretty weak. I see 4 with potential top two line upside (Richels, Cafarelli, Turner and Sacco) but 5 kids who will struggle for playing time. That's not a great ratio.
2020-21
Jr.Crookshank---Jr.Pierson---------Sr.Kelleher
Fr.Richels--------Jr.Engaras -------Sr.Grasso
Sr.Sato-----------So.Stevenson----Sr.MacAdams
Fr.Margel---------Fr.Cafarelli-------Jr.Esposito
Jr.Cipollone------So.Herrmann-----Sr.Sacco
Fr.Sweeney------So.Hankinson---Fr.Gendron
Sr.Maass---------So.Eriksson
Jr.MacKinnon----Fr.Reid
Fr.Jenson-------Jr.Verrier
So.McElhaney----Fr.Nagle
Jr.Hickey
2021-22
Sr.Crookshank--Sr.Pierson------Sr.Engaras
So.Richels-------Jr.Stevenson-----So.Cafarelli
Sr.Esposito------So.Margel--------Fr.D.Sacco
Fr.Devlin---------Fr.Bakos-------Fr.Cronin
Sr.Cipollone----Jr.Herrmann-------Fr.Curran
Fr.J.Ring-------So.Sweeney-------Jr.Hankinson
So.Gendron
Jr.Eriksson--------Fr.Ardanaz
Sr.MacKinnon-----So.Reid
Sr.Verrier----------Fr.Gagne
Jr.McElhaney------Fr.Penney
So.Nagle----------So.Jenson
Sr.Hickey
2022-23
Jr.Richels------Sr.Stevenson---Jr.Cafarelli
-------Fr.Turner--------So.D.Sacco
Jr.Margel--------So.Bakos--------So.Curran
So.Devlin--------Sr.Herrmann----So.Cronin
So.J.Ring-------Fr.Leclerc--------Sr.Hankinson
---Fr.Winters-------Jr.Sweeney--JrGendron
SoArdanaz-----Sr.Eriksson
Jr.Reid---------Fr.Carfagna
So.Gagne------So.Penney
Sr.McElhaney-----Jr.Nagle
Jr.Jenson
At this point, the Madigan model is what we could realistically aspire to: a decent track record that gets a boost by hiring a young proven assistant (Jerry Keefe) who actually had success at Brown, and kids even followed him because they believed in him (NHLers Kevin Roy, Aston-Reese). We can't just carry the myth that Mike will be a great recruiter because he's likeable -- this is an area in which UNH needs dramatic accountability.
+1 The status quo in this day and age does.not.cut.it.
Ps...I'd be curious as to the end of season report as well, but I have a feeling you can get the gist of it by listening to the presser at the end of the game last night. I think the ending comments speak volumes...(and I'd be surprised if there is any sort of 'end of the season' wrap up...if I'm being honest.)
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HockeyRef
Well-known member
Bread and butter sport at the U? Just another sport at the U and somehow? I think they are just fine with that.
e.cat
Seasoned Veteran
Not entirely meaningless. Apparently the Beagles took a big hit in the pairwise potentially preventing them a number one seed in the regionals.
That was coming regardless of the outcome just by virtue of playing us. Obviously a win would have dulled their impact a bit.
HockeyRef
Well-known member
e.cat
Seasoned Veteran
True.