Just heard about that goal. Should it have stood?Not to mention gee if they had lost on that call at the end of the game...
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UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
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HockeyRef
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Not according to the crowd...oh I dunno. Too big a hit to BC 's PWR...Seriously the 'Cats had a penalty called (too many on the ice
) and then that so surviving OT at all was a gift I guess. Was hoping we would get a break but nope. What I dont get is why the ref felt the need to go over to the BC bench afterwards what explanation was needed?? Prob protocol I suppose...whatever.
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Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
You presuppose the USNH Board of Trustees gives a rat's *&%$ about how their sports programs fare, which may be the only part of your post that may be even the slightest bit off-point. I'm guessing that on a list of top ten concerns from the BoT, the on-field performances of the revenue producing sports programs is a solid #11 at best, and more likely barely on the radar. We've gotten glimpses and insight into their collective mindsets in recent years in seeing how they've handled the dismantling of the Friends booster clubs and the Coach McCloskey situation, who somehow despite the purported acts that led to his dismissal, has since somehow maintained his ability to continues to work in his chosen field with young athletes of both genders.
As to the long-standing AD … a decade or so ago, I tagged him with the "Blue Skies" moniker because he was seemingly content to sit back, collect his paycheck, and watch Men's Hockey slowly but steadily deteriorate into what turned out to be the current mess we see it mired in. At the time, the program was still winning, and playing in important games in mid-to-late March, but the April part of the program's success from a decade prior had gone missing. A decade later, the decline was complete with last-place regular season finishes and missing the post-season tournament for the first times in about 30 years. Women's Hockey may arguably already have been on the decline in McCloskey's last couple of seasons, but his dismissal and replacement has done nothing to bring that program back to where it was when McCloskey was in his heyday, and the years before his arrival.
In addition, the UNH Football program has now seen a decline in performance, after an amazing run of over a dozen seasons at least in their national postseason tourney (although like Men's Hockey, they too also found a way to come up short of winning a NC), so we now have examples on both sides of the street that no matter what you do with upgrading facilities, the evidence that these improvements - which appear to be at the top end of the current AD's supposed strengths - pay off in the ability to compete at the top end of their leagues/divisions is elusive if not entirely absent. And let's not even get into the "success" of UNH Hoops.
Men's Soccer coach Marc Hubbard is a Durham native who had already established himself at SNHU before he was brought to UNH, which was probably the job he'd been aiming for all of his life. I doubt his success can hardly be laid at the feet of the current AD.
The current AD is approaching his mid-60's and is presiding over an athletics program where his signature achievements have been almost exclusively to the facilities side - although UNH Hoops remains stuck in Lundholm instead of back at the Whittemore where they were intended to be. With Wildcat Stadium and the soccer field having been completed, and now the commitment for rink retrofit at Whittemore on the immediate horizon, it would seem the current AD has exhausted his usefulness to the U, and should step aside to let someone else take over things like hiring coaches who know how to build winning programs.
Otherwise, the idea of Mr. Mediocrity remaining in charge for another 5-10 years should be chilling to all fans of UNH athletics. The track record is well-established for two decades now, and another decade like this last one cannot be allowed to happen.
JMHO.
You presuppose the USNH Board of Trustees gives a rat's *&%$ about how their sports programs fare, which may be the only part of your post that may be even the slightest bit off-point. I'm guessing that on a list of top ten concerns from the BoT, the on-field performances of the revenue producing sports programs is a solid #11 at best, and more likely barely on the radar. We've gotten glimpses and insight into their collective mindsets in recent years in seeing how they've handled the dismantling of the Friends booster clubs and the Coach McCloskey situation, who somehow despite the purported acts that led to his dismissal, has since somehow maintained his ability to continues to work in his chosen field with young athletes of both genders.
As to the long-standing AD … a decade or so ago, I tagged him with the "Blue Skies" moniker because he was seemingly content to sit back, collect his paycheck, and watch Men's Hockey slowly but steadily deteriorate into what turned out to be the current mess we see it mired in. At the time, the program was still winning, and playing in important games in mid-to-late March, but the April part of the program's success from a decade prior had gone missing. A decade later, the decline was complete with last-place regular season finishes and missing the post-season tournament for the first times in about 30 years. Women's Hockey may arguably already have been on the decline in McCloskey's last couple of seasons, but his dismissal and replacement has done nothing to bring that program back to where it was when McCloskey was in his heyday, and the years before his arrival.
In addition, the UNH Football program has now seen a decline in performance, after an amazing run of over a dozen seasons at least in their national postseason tourney (although like Men's Hockey, they too also found a way to come up short of winning a NC), so we now have examples on both sides of the street that no matter what you do with upgrading facilities, the evidence that these improvements - which appear to be at the top end of the current AD's supposed strengths - pay off in the ability to compete at the top end of their leagues/divisions is elusive if not entirely absent. And let's not even get into the "success" of UNH Hoops.
Men's Soccer coach Marc Hubbard is a Durham native who had already established himself at SNHU before he was brought to UNH, which was probably the job he'd been aiming for all of his life. I doubt his success can hardly be laid at the feet of the current AD.
The current AD is approaching his mid-60's and is presiding over an athletics program where his signature achievements have been almost exclusively to the facilities side - although UNH Hoops remains stuck in Lundholm instead of back at the Whittemore where they were intended to be. With Wildcat Stadium and the soccer field having been completed, and now the commitment for rink retrofit at Whittemore on the immediate horizon, it would seem the current AD has exhausted his usefulness to the U, and should step aside to let someone else take over things like hiring coaches who know how to build winning programs.
Otherwise, the idea of Mr. Mediocrity remaining in charge for another 5-10 years should be chilling to all fans of UNH athletics. The track record is well-established for two decades now, and another decade like this last one cannot be allowed to happen.
JMHO.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
You clearly haven't been following the expose on The Effingwoods Hockey Almanac thread, HR.
All roads in Hockey East lead to Boston. All officiating roads in HEA lead to Chestnut Hill.
I'm sure the official was just making sure he wasn't in trouble with the powers-that-be.
Not according to the crowd...oh I dunno. Too big a hit to BC 's PWR...Seriously the 'Cats had a penalty called (too many on the ice
You clearly haven't been following the expose on The Effingwoods Hockey Almanac thread, HR.
All roads in Hockey East lead to Boston. All officiating roads in HEA lead to Chestnut Hill.
I'm sure the official was just making sure he wasn't in trouble with the powers-that-be.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Oh I've read it...I just didn't wanna SAY THAT outloud here and believe me...it was NOT LOST on me and hubby. Typical....And while we are on the subject, and being an umpire, you'd be surprised how much optics can mean to fans. CERTAIN OFFICIALS WHO WON'T BE NAMED (Shea) are particularly 'good' at skating over to said Boston team benches and schmooze...sitting where we do you can see this over and over again. UGH. New HE commish, if you're listening....
You clearly haven't been following the expose on The Effingwoods Hockey Almanac thread, HR.
All roads in Hockey East lead to Boston. All officiating roads in HEA lead to Chestnut Hill.
I'm sure the official was just making sure he wasn't in trouble with the powers-that-be.
Oh I've read it...I just didn't wanna SAY THAT outloud here and believe me...it was NOT LOST on me and hubby. Typical....And while we are on the subject, and being an umpire, you'd be surprised how much optics can mean to fans. CERTAIN OFFICIALS WHO WON'T BE NAMED (Shea) are particularly 'good' at skating over to said Boston team benches and schmooze...sitting where we do you can see this over and over again. UGH. New HE commish, if you're listening....
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Wasn't the call (when reviewed of course) goal tender interference? (there was a 'good goal' signal and we thought we heard the 'the call on the ice is a good goal') Feel free to correct anyone...
Wasn't the call (when reviewed of course) goal tender interference? (there was a 'good goal' signal and we thought we heard the 'the call on the ice is a good goal') Feel free to correct anyone...
NCAA watcher
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
How we got here, the wasted 3 "transition" years where the bulk of the upperclassmen should have been recruited. Usually a new HC (whether previously a HC with recruits elsewhere, or an assistant with his recruits at the old school) has his guys that he is ready to bring in. But the first years were lethargic, with literally only six recruits (4 if you exclude Dawson who was a late add) during the first season, none considered all that good.
Over the three years, Souza was able to get only 2 impact players (Gildon, Crookshank), and 4 mildly above average players (Wyse, Maass, Pierson, Stevenson) over the prime first phase new coaches use to set a new tone for the program. Combine that with UNH actually losing top recruits (Farabee, Ryczek) after Borek left, and you have a huge hole.
===============HEAD RECRUITER============
7/10/2015 ........Matthew Dawson
11/14/2015........Eric MacAdams
1/23/2016........<s>Corson Green</s>
2/24/2016........ Anthony Wyse
2/28/2016........Joe Sacco
3/26/2016 ........<s>Lucas Bahn</s>
4/11/2016........Angus Crookshank
5/3/2016.......<s>.James Miller</s>
9/8/2016........Ryan Verrier
12/1/2016........<s>Marek Wazny</s>
12/4/2016 ........<s>Drew Commesso</s>
1/12/2017 ........Benton Maass
2/25/2017........Max Gildon
4/4/2017........Kohei Sato
4/13/2017 ........Connor Sweeney
4/25/2017 ........Jackson Pierson
10/26/2017........Chase Stevenson
12/20/2017........Nolan McElhaney
12/31/2017........<s>Tim Stutzle</s>
2/8/2018........ Ty Taylor
2/20/2018........<s>Zack Jones</s>
================HC=========
5/14/2018........Will MacKinnon
5/14/2018........Filip Engaras
5/22/2018 ........Aidan Curran
6/21/2018 ........Drew Hickey
8/8/2018........ David Sacco
9/14/2018 ........Liam Devlin
10/15/2018........Will Margel
11/20/2018........Nick Ardanaz
12/9/2018........Kalle Eriksson
1/10/2019........Morgan Winters
2/9/2019........Robert Cronin
3/15/2019........J.P. Turner
3/23/2019........Jack Ring
3/23/2019........Nick Ring
3/30/2019........Cy Leclerc
4/9/2019........Lucas Herrmann
4/12/2019........Nick Cafarelli
5/4/2019........Robby Griffin
5/14/2019........Alex Gagne
6/10/2019........Carsen Richels
8/14/2019........Joe Hankinson
9/27/2019........Timo Bakos
1/8/2020........Damien Carfagna
1/11/2020........Luke Reid
2/23/2020 ........Joe Nagle
2/23/2020........Cade Penney
3/4/2020 ........Cam Gendron
How we got here, the wasted 3 "transition" years where the bulk of the upperclassmen should have been recruited. Usually a new HC (whether previously a HC with recruits elsewhere, or an assistant with his recruits at the old school) has his guys that he is ready to bring in. But the first years were lethargic, with literally only six recruits (4 if you exclude Dawson who was a late add) during the first season, none considered all that good.
Over the three years, Souza was able to get only 2 impact players (Gildon, Crookshank), and 4 mildly above average players (Wyse, Maass, Pierson, Stevenson) over the prime first phase new coaches use to set a new tone for the program. Combine that with UNH actually losing top recruits (Farabee, Ryczek) after Borek left, and you have a huge hole.
===============HEAD RECRUITER============
7/10/2015 ........Matthew Dawson
11/14/2015........Eric MacAdams
1/23/2016........<s>Corson Green</s>
2/24/2016........ Anthony Wyse
2/28/2016........Joe Sacco
3/26/2016 ........<s>Lucas Bahn</s>
4/11/2016........Angus Crookshank
5/3/2016.......<s>.James Miller</s>
9/8/2016........Ryan Verrier
12/1/2016........<s>Marek Wazny</s>
12/4/2016 ........<s>Drew Commesso</s>
1/12/2017 ........Benton Maass
2/25/2017........Max Gildon
4/4/2017........Kohei Sato
4/13/2017 ........Connor Sweeney
4/25/2017 ........Jackson Pierson
10/26/2017........Chase Stevenson
12/20/2017........Nolan McElhaney
12/31/2017........<s>Tim Stutzle</s>
2/8/2018........ Ty Taylor
2/20/2018........<s>Zack Jones</s>
================HC=========
5/14/2018........Will MacKinnon
5/14/2018........Filip Engaras
5/22/2018 ........Aidan Curran
6/21/2018 ........Drew Hickey
8/8/2018........ David Sacco
9/14/2018 ........Liam Devlin
10/15/2018........Will Margel
11/20/2018........Nick Ardanaz
12/9/2018........Kalle Eriksson
1/10/2019........Morgan Winters
2/9/2019........Robert Cronin
3/15/2019........J.P. Turner
3/23/2019........Jack Ring
3/23/2019........Nick Ring
3/30/2019........Cy Leclerc
4/9/2019........Lucas Herrmann
4/12/2019........Nick Cafarelli
5/4/2019........Robby Griffin
5/14/2019........Alex Gagne
6/10/2019........Carsen Richels
8/14/2019........Joe Hankinson
9/27/2019........Timo Bakos
1/8/2020........Damien Carfagna
1/11/2020........Luke Reid
2/23/2020 ........Joe Nagle
2/23/2020........Cade Penney
3/4/2020 ........Cam Gendron
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Never heard any explanation of the call at the game.
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Do we ever get an explanation? Anyway...here's the game recap...you can see MacAdams have contact (but Knight is coming out to play him....) I guess that's the reason...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Au-uowWEk
And...from the HE website game re-cap: - At 4:38 into the overtime period, the referees called back a UNH goal for goalkeeper interference after video review. The remainder of overtime went scoreless and the final score stood at 3-3.
Do we ever get an explanation? Anyway...here's the game recap...you can see MacAdams have contact (but Knight is coming out to play him....) I guess that's the reason...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Au-uowWEk
And...from the HE website game re-cap: - At 4:38 into the overtime period, the referees called back a UNH goal for goalkeeper interference after video review. The remainder of overtime went scoreless and the final score stood at 3-3.
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deltabravo62
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Macadams initial move to the net contacted the goaltender and turned him a full 90 degrees with no help from the defender. Not even 2 seconds later someone bangs in that rebound, it's a pretty easy call and in my opinion the right call. I wouldn't want that goal to stand against us, and the announcement was "contact with goaltender in the crease" which was drowned out by the crowd.
Macadams initial move to the net contacted the goaltender and turned him a full 90 degrees with no help from the defender. Not even 2 seconds later someone bangs in that rebound, it's a pretty easy call and in my opinion the right call. I wouldn't want that goal to stand against us, and the announcement was "contact with goaltender in the crease" which was drowned out by the crowd.
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Not according to the crowd...oh I dunno. Too big a hit to BC 's PWR...Seriously the 'Cats had a penalty called (too many on the ice
Talking to coaches after replays is pretty standard.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Again, with the qualifier "not that it matters" … but truly a garbage call, can't even imagine UNH getting the call on that one if the roles were reversed.
Ironically, one of the referees last night was one Terrence Murphy, a UNH grad.
https://beverly.wickedlocal.com/spo...dent-to-officiate-all-american-prospects-game
I think he was the one who marked off the OT goal BTW, looking at the video clip HR provided above.
Makes you wonder if he called it off to avoid accusations of pro-UNH bias and/or curry favor further up?
There is really something very screwy going on with officiating choices/assignments in HEA.
Again, with the qualifier "not that it matters" … but truly a garbage call, can't even imagine UNH getting the call on that one if the roles were reversed.
Ironically, one of the referees last night was one Terrence Murphy, a UNH grad.
https://beverly.wickedlocal.com/spo...dent-to-officiate-all-american-prospects-game
I think he was the one who marked off the OT goal BTW, looking at the video clip HR provided above.
Makes you wonder if he called it off to avoid accusations of pro-UNH bias and/or curry favor further up?
There is really something very screwy going on with officiating choices/assignments in HEA.
HockeyRef
Well-known member
Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Could not agree more...in fact, if I were a betting person (which I am) I'd say UNH gets the short end of that stick a lot more than some other teams (that I will not name publicly
)
Again, with the qualifier "not that it matters" … but truly a garbage call, can't even imagine UNH getting the call on that one if the roles were reversed.
Ironically, one of the referees last night was one Terrence Murphy, a UNH grad.
https://beverly.wickedlocal.com/spo...dent-to-officiate-all-american-prospects-game
I think he was the one who marked off the OT goal BTW, looking at the video clip HR provided above.
Makes you wonder if he called it off to avoid accusations of pro-UNH bias and/or curry favor further up?
There is really something very screwy going on with officiating choices/assignments in HEA.
Could not agree more...in fact, if I were a betting person (which I am) I'd say UNH gets the short end of that stick a lot more than some other teams (that I will not name publicly
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I will. You mean "BU" and "BC."
Could not agree more...in fact, if I were a betting person (which I am) I'd say UNH gets the short end of that stick a lot more than some other teams (that I will not name publicly
I will. You mean "BU" and "BC."
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
(where's the 'feigned look of shock and surprise emoticon) You said it...I didn't... yeah, but those two, not necessarily in that order
I will. You mean "BU" and "BC."
(where's the 'feigned look of shock and surprise emoticon) You said it...I didn't...
yeah, but those two, not necessarily in that order 
ClOuD 9
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
https://youtu.be/HWCbfGPOLDk?t=47
Was fine a week ago when UNH played Lowell at the Whitt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://youtu.be/HWCbfGPOLDk?t=47
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ClOuD 9
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Re: UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....
Just like the team itself at times this year, it showed a momentary glimpse of what could be; and what used to be.
While it was only a minute long, that "U-N-H" chant during the OT goal review was the loudest the building has been in over 10 years.
Just like the team itself at times this year, it showed a momentary glimpse of what could be; and what used to be.
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