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UNH Hockey 2023-2024 Season Thread - End Of The Cellar-Dweller Era??

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Cats now 14th in PWR, the last NCAA postseason slot given two slots needed for AHA and CCHA autoseeds.

EDIT: and now back to 12th in PWR with NU upset win tonight. Four out of five HEA games were won by the underdog tonight.

Wish we could have been the 5th! One of the better games I've seen at the Agganis. Missed Morgan Winters.
Lots of opps...one unfortunate mistake made the difference. Def a "goal tenders duel" (stole that lol)

Was pleased with the play it was a great game to see
live. Thanks NU for the PWR help..

Onto Yukon...
 
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I didn't see the entire game, but did see some great saves by both goal tenders. Good loss if there is such a thing. (There isn't). The wheels didn't fall off, except Hellsten's for about 5 seconds. The timeout immediately after was one of the best Coach Souza has ever called. Loss was NOT on Hellsten. Can't win if you can't score. Losing to #2, now #1 doesn't hurt the PWR. Need better results in the next four games. The BU rubber match in a few weeks should be a good one.
 
Agree on the uni’s.

Hellsten stands on his head as BU wins the SOG battle but UNH wins the game 4-2 with an ENG.

Got the Hellsten stands on his head part right (for the most part). Got the part about the team that wins the SOG battle loses the game part right. Got the ENG part right. Got the team who wins part wrong and the score wrong. So I got 3 out of a possible 5 points. Don’t question my logic;-)
 
Decent first would have liked to score on the man advantage. Knocking at the door big saves by both goal tenders...

SoG UNH 18 BU 8

Nasty major penalty..

Go 'Cats!

The best part of the major was that Quinn Hudson had some kind of argument. I’ve never seen a spear like that in about 40 years of watching ncaa hockey.
 
The best part of the major was that Quinn Hudson had some kind of argument. I’ve never seen a spear like that in about 40 years of watching ncaa hockey.

Worst part of the major was where he hit him..dead center in the chest. We were sitting directly in front...sure players are protected but that stuff can be lethal. Hutson deserves a suspension imho...
 
I didn't see the entire game, but did see some great saves by both goal tenders. Good loss if there is such a thing. (There isn't). The wheels didn't fall off, except Hellsten's for about 5 seconds. The timeout immediately after was one of the best Coach Souza has ever called. Loss was NOT on Hellsten. Can't win if you can't score. Losing to #2, now #1 doesn't hurt the PWR. Need better results in the next four games. The BU rubber match in a few weeks should be a good one.

I don't think anyone is blaming Hellsten he (and Caron) played great games. Stuff happens and you'd rather not have a display in big games (2015 NC comes to mind!!)

But yeah..you can't win if you don't score. Hopefully Winters is back for Yukon...
 
Translation. UNH should expect no better than the top 33-40% of NCAA Hockey. Trash.

That’s a finish, by the way, that Souza has yet to realize in any of his six seasons as HC, or nine seasons on the UNH staff. UNH's best finish in his entire tenure was 31st. To put it another way he has NEVER been a part of a UNH coaching staff that has finished in the top-half of college hockey (or higher than 8th in Hockey East). In a decade!

Yet in MM's eyes, Souza has already earned an extension, due to a pretty good stretch in his last 17-games…? And a potential, maybe, down the road Top-25 PWR finish?

How can you argue otherwise?

GTFOH.

The fundamental flaw in the idea that Souza is as good as UNH deserves is that the idea is completely backwards. The head coach position at UNH is the best job Mike Souza can possibly get (in my opinion) with his anemic record over a 10 year coaching career.

AD Rich is negotiating from the position of strength, and it appears that to this point she realizes that by making him wait out the end of the season. If the strength of this season continues to the finish a 1-2 year prove it extension is acceptable, nothing more, Souza has no argument to try to strong arm Rich into anything she is not comfortable with. Unless he is personally pulling in millions I’m donor money himself I don’t see anything he has over her head.
 
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Isn’t the saying people don’t leave bad jobs they leave bad bosses? If the AD didn’t rate Souza she should have fired him last spring. To leave someone twisting in the wind is disgraceful and something no coach deserves. If I was him I would line up something else and unless presented with a good offer tell her to go pound sand. Not that being head coach isn’t a good job but it’s not like he’s making millions of dollars a year and if it isn’t going to work out there he might as well start rebuilding his career elsewhere.
 
Isn’t the saying people don’t leave bad jobs they leave bad bosses? If the AD didn’t rate Souza she should have fired him last spring. To leave someone twisting in the wind is disgraceful and something no coach deserves. If I was him I would line up something else and unless presented with a good offer tell her to go pound sand. Not that being head coach isn’t a good job but it’s not like he’s making millions of dollars a year and if it isn’t going to work out there he might as well start rebuilding his career elsewhere.

I mean, that is a saying, however this is D1 college athletics and not Howie the mailroom guy. Job performance matters and short of the first half of this season there has been little to no performance. I doubt Melrose High School is offering a package competitive to UNH.
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Isn’t the saying people don’t leave bad jobs they leave bad bosses? If the AD didn’t rate Souza she should have fired him last spring. To leave someone twisting in the wind is disgraceful and something no coach deserves. If I was him I would line up something else and unless presented with a good offer tell her to go pound sand. Not that being head coach isn’t a good job but it’s not like he’s making millions of dollars a year and if it isn’t going to work out there he might as well start rebuilding his career elsewhere.

There was speculation on our thread last spring that the AD or the administration did not want to cough up the $230,00 to buy out the last year of Souza’s contract. That kind of money might be just chump change for the Alfond-endowed U Maine, but it is lot of moola for Cow Hampsha’s State U. My guess is that Souza got a message last spring that there needs to be a big turn-around in the team’s fortunes this year, and so far, so good. If the Cats go 8-8-0 the rest of the way, that would give us a 19-14-1 record, pre-MBPBEGAM game, Souza’s first winning record as HC. The question is whether Souza is worthy of even a one-year contract extension without improving on that record with a trip to the Garden or a NCAA regional. There is still plenty of time for Souza to build his case, and I for one think that Mike MacMahon is way out to lunch for suggesting otherwise. I think that Al Pike got it correct in his article. I agree with you that Souza should be looking at alternative career paths forward, as should all at will employees without lifetime contracts like his mentor had.
 
I mean, that is a saying, however this is D1 college athletics and not Howie the mailroom guy. Job performance matters and short of the first half of this season there has been little to no performance. I doubt Melrose High School is offering a package competitive to UNH.
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Did you mean Wakefield High School, db? :-)
 
There was speculation on our thread last spring that the AD or the administration did not want to cough up the $230,00 to buy out the last year of Souza’s contract. That kind of money might be just chump change for the Alfond-endowed U Maine, but it is lot of moola for Cow Hampsha’s State U. My guess is that Souza got a message last spring that there needs to be a big turn-around in the team’s fortunes this year, and so far, so good. If the Cats go 8-8-0 the rest of the way, that would give us a 19-14-1 record, pre-MBPBEGAM game, Souza’s first winning record as HC. The question is whether Souza is worthy of even a one-year contract extension without improving on that record with a trip to the Garden or a NCAA regional. There is still plenty of time for Souza to build his case, and I for one think that Mike MacMahon is way out to lunch for suggesting otherwise. I think that Al Pike got it correct in his article. I agree with you that Souza should be looking at alternative career paths forward, as should all at will employees without lifetime contracts like his mentor had.

You obviously know the internal politics better than me but isn’t there a donor out there who would come up with the cash if the AD thought it was the right way to go?
 
You obviously know the internal politics better than me but isn’t there a donor out there who would come up with the cash if the AD thought it was the right way to go?

Ha, ha, ha, as Chuck Murray was tracking a couple big spenders with deep pockets and Cow Hampsha roots earlier in this thread. But, I cannot envision any big donor wanting to see one’s name attached to buying out a poorly performing coach’s contract, which would be unseemly and a horrible look for both the donor and the institution. And I am sure that the same applies for the Alfond family, as in spending for facility upgrades and the like rather than salaries. I think that our relatively new AD is managing coaching situations the best way possible.
 
Ha, ha, ha, as Chuck Murray was tracking a couple big spenders with deep pockets and Cow Hampsha roots earlier in this thread. But, I cannot envision any big donor wanting to see one’s name attached to buying out a poorly performing coach’s contract, which would be unseemly and a horrible look for both the donor and the institution. And I am sure that the same applies for the Alfond family, as in spending for facility upgrades and the like rather than salaries. I think that our relatively new AD is managing coaching situations the best way possible.

To be clear, I was definitely in favor of a buyout last summer, and I thought/still think any enterprise with an eight-figure operating budget can find $230,000 in between the proverbial seat cushions without breaking a sweat. That guys like DiLorenzo, Faro, Fleury and Lupoli (among others) are investing legacy-level money into developments across Southern NH - with some of them having UNH ties - only increases the opportunities available to UNH for further development and revenue/resources (DiLorenzo is the Key Auto Group donor). Money doesn't have to be specifically earmarked into the "Buy Out MS7" line item. Of course, most donors will not want to be seen as the heavy hand behind cutting ties with coaches of whatever program they favor. But if part of the money goes into the AD's budget without strings attached, you can do a lot of things with it - including personnel decisions.

I suspect AD Rich just didn't have the stomach to go the early buyout route, and (as with Herrion) made the conscious decision to let the head coach enter the final season of their contract, with no assurances beyond that. I may have disagreed, but I do respect that decision; AD's will develop a reputation for having little patience, or too much (Blue Skies), and maybe she wants the reputation of being patient and fair minded so as not to scare away quality potential future hires? I get it. She certainly seems to have focused MS7 like no one before to get the results that have eluded him up to this point, in what has been a very mediocre UNH coaching career.

As we all know, last March she ended up firing Herrion, after another decent season, and falling short of making a deep run into the AE tourney. They obviously were never going to be an NCAA qualifier, short of winning the conference, and that's never happened here before. Wherever the "bar" is set for UNH Men's Hoops, Herrion was the guy who lifted the program from abject failure to consistent mediocrity, and there is credit to be given for that. He was here, what, twice as long as MS7's entire coaching tenure? So Herrion in the end was given lots of time and does leave the program MUCH better than where he found it. But he just couldn't kick on to get to the next level, so Rich (probably correctly) decided he'd had his chance, thanked him sincerely for his services, and brought in someone else who she thinks can get to the next level with the program. He's doing pretty well so far.

MS7 has to be judged on a much stricter curve than Herrion, just like Santos will be with Football, and now Weinrebe will be with soccer. These are all programs that have experienced success on a national scale (Football at a lower "D2" level of course) under their predecessor coaches, so none of these hires can hope to survive for the long term with mediocre results, like Herrion did. That's why winning records, and trips to HEA weekends in Boston, and to the national tourney, will all factor into the final decision. Job One is get the winning record thing out of the way, and then coach like your job depends on getting the team to the TD Garden and into the national tourney. Because it very well may (and should IMO) depend on that. That was the bar set by Holt long ago, and it was the one Umile nudged up even a little bit further in his tenure.

Souza is a popular guy in the HEA circles because he's been around awhile, and (to be fair) he hasn't made any enemies yet - which probably is an indictment of the competitive state of his program. There are a lot of other folks in similar positions who would rather see Souza stay on forever, if he's not a threat to their own programs. The coaches at lots of other HEA destinations also probably benefit by being able to count on finishing ahead of one more program, and then be able to point to MS7's record and continued employment as reasons justifying THEIR continued employment. But while being a "loveable plucky loser" type may still float in North Andover, where there are no delusions of D-1 grandeur (yet) ... as many of you have already pointed out, expectations in Durham have always been different. And THAT is the bar Souza will be measured against this March.

But don't be surprised when other McMahon's surface to sing MS7's praises. Just ask yourselves ... "Why?"
 
As to why this was written, McMahon is a Malden Catholic guy who undoubtedly has connections with Souza.
I'm missing the connection related to McMahon being a Malden Catholic guy (like me) and Souza who played at Wakefield High.
 
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Though we tend to say this 'every weekend' but this weekend is a big one. Looking at the HE standings (and sorry, no idea how many games in hand either team
has on the other) Yukon is ahead of UNH by 4 points. They are coming off a win (beating Maine) and us a solid performance at BU (but we gotta score y'all).

Looking for a big weekend 'Cats!
 
Though we tend to say this 'every weekend' but this weekend is a big one. Looking at the HE standings (and sorry, no idea how many games in hand either team
has on the other) Yukon is ahead of UNH by 4 points. They are coming off a win (beating Maine) and us a solid performance at BU (but we gotta score y'all).

Looking for a big weekend 'Cats!

“No idea how many games in hand” we have? Seriously, HR? :-)

We are 3 points behind UMassywassy, and we have 3 games in hand.

We are 4 points behind Yukon, and we have 5 games in hand.

We are 5 points behind PC, and we have 3 games in hand.

We are 6 points behind Maine, and we have 2 games in hand.

Need to sweep the next two weekends to stay in the hunt, nothing less.
 
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