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UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond

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Alright, let me summarize on the disconnect that's emerged since the events of the last week.

I am a fan of UNH Hockey, first and foremost (at least at this level - I won't belabor my other team of choice further up the ladder). And I want to see a UNH Hockey program that plays WINNING hockey. Some folks like the wide-open "fire wagon" style of play, and some others like certain players for different reasons. That's all fine and dandy. I understand. Been there, done that. What I like to see is a program or a team that plays WINNING hockey. And invariably that's been (in my experience) with teams of players who combine skill, discipline, and character, and mold it into a team-first group mentality.

I can appreciate the skill of the one-dimensional player for sure, no doubt. But while we're all keeping score, I guess winning these games is something I've always figured was kinda important. And it IS a team sport, no? If I want to see pretty skating, there are other places I can see it. There's always the NHL All-Star Weekend skills contests for those who like hard slapshots or accurate wrist shots with no one pressuring the shooter. Appreciate away, that's great, and talent is a wonderful thing, to be treasured, absolutely.

But the most enjoyment I've ever gotten out of sports - and that's while playing, coaching, and just watching games of all sorts - is when a team attains the pinnacle of their respective competitions. And while I have great admiration of the rare skills some players possess, I reserve the greatest respect for those who are willing to sacrifice some of their individual glory for the good of a team that succeeds on a championship level. I think you folks know I don't really care too much about how former UNH players fare at the next level when they leave school early. That's just me - it's a loyalty thing. If I'm going to invest my emotions, my rooting interest, in a program/team, then I'm looking at that program's/team's players to be as committed as possible to reaching the top ... AS A TEAM. And when I see players falling short of the necessary commitment ... yeah, it p!$$es me off. I've played on teams with those kind of players, and I've coached players like that before, too. They can breed resentment among teammates, and can get coaches fired.

Vince Lombardi was famous for saying "Fatigue makes cowards of us all". Ultimately, I believe that goes to the core of what I believe about competitive sports, and especially competitive team sports. Give a player an excuse, and too often they'll take it and run with it. In Poturalski's case ... I'm sure he was injured, as C-H-C has confirmed today. But I'm pretty sure at this late date of the season, many players on UNH and Merrimack were at less than 100%. The winners fight through and overcome, the losers lick their wounds. And when you find out afterwards that between 4 and 19 teams are hot on this kid's trail for his pro signature - and I'm sure that didn't materialize out of nothing on Monday morning - then it looks and feels more like "protecting his investment", and some on board here become apologists for accepting less than complete effort. And I guess I'm just not that understanding of a fan. :o

I want to see WINNING hockey. That is the hockey played in March and April, with big excited crowds and tough opponents prepared to battle to the end and leave it all out on the ice. UNH used to be involved in those games regularly, and now we're not. Now we're here talking about whether Coach gets to the magic 600, where Poturalski will play next season and beyond, and whether he would have been one of the UNH greats had he stayed (which he didn't, so who cares), while mocking/deriding players who actually stayed and, in doing so, achieved great things as part of some of the best (i.e. WINNINGEST) UNH teams ever.

Now, if you'll all excuse me, I've got a bandwagon to catch, headed down Lowell way ... :D ;)
 
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Darius - I can't tell if you're being serious, half serious or just saw an opportunity to be funny and sarcastic. Do you agree with Chuck that Poturalski was a disappointment and that injury and lack of a supporting cast are irrelevant to the discussion? Do you agree that Saviano was a better player - and a more significant contributor - than both JVR and Poturalski? Do you disagree that the roster Saviano played with had any effect on his numbers or his two HE championships? Do you honestly think that trading O'Regan for Poturalski makes UNH better and BU worse? O'Regan plays with 9 NHL draft picks, which doesn't include Ohksanen, Lane, McAvoy or Fortunato. Do you disagree that their is a significant difference in supporting casts? Also, O'Regan is only a +4 on a team that is a combined +169 - not a great fit for CHUCK Bowman. JVR isn't Jack Eichel, but that certainly wasn't the discussion...

Hey Dan, I was just kidding around sans smiley face. Sorry if you took it otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts. Pots being a disappointment: no. Injuries do effect quality of play. Supporting cast is huge, hence the O'Regan comment. Point being that as good as Danny is, his numbers would be less on UNH and Pots' numbers through the roof on BU. I liked Saviano a lot, not the same caliber as JVR or Pots. The Eichel reference was that while I feel that he is a better player than JVR, if they swapped teams, JVR would have looked even better and Eichel not as good. Teammates matter.
 
Hey Dan, I was just kidding around sans smiley face. Sorry if you took it otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts. Pots being a disappointment: no. Injuries do effect quality of play. Supporting cast is huge, hence the O'Regan comment. Point being that as good as Danny is, his numbers would be less on UNH and Pots' numbers through the roof on BU. I liked Saviano a lot, not the same caliber as JVR or Pots. The Eichel reference was that while I feel that he is a better player than JVR, if they swapped teams, JVR would have looked even better and Eichel not as good. Teammates matter.

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Hey Dan, I was just kidding around sans smiley face. Sorry if you took it otherwise. I enjoy reading your posts. Pots being a disappointment: no. Injuries do effect quality of play. Supporting cast is huge, hence the O'Regan comment. Point being that as good as Danny is, his numbers would be less on UNH and Pots' numbers through the roof on BU. I liked Saviano a lot, not the same caliber as JVR or Pots. The Eichel reference was that while I feel that he is a better player than JVR, if they swapped teams, JVR would have looked even better and Eichel not as good. Teammates matter.

No, don't worry about it - no offense taken. I think we have the same sense of humor so I've always enjoyed your posts and the wit that comes with them. I thought this is what you meant, I just wasn't sure. I'll keep up next time! Haha...
 
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One might note that C-H-C has (1) moved Robinson from a definite 2016 recruit to a 2016 or 2017 recruit, (2) moved Darcy, Cipollone and Aaron O'Neill from potential 16 or 17 to the 2017 list.

The only unexpected thing is the question raised about Robinson. He played little in the playoffs, but because of the NHL CBA, the San Jose Sharks have every reason to push for him to matriculate this year, or they lose his rights next year. Something to watch.
 
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond

One might note that C-H-C has ... moved Robinson from a definite 2016 recruit to a 2016 or 2017 recruit ...

The only unexpected thing is the question raised about Robinson. He played little in the playoffs, but because of the NHL CBA, the San Jose Sharks have every reason to push for him to matriculate this year, or they lose his rights next year. Something to watch.

Things that make you go hmmmm ...
 
"Have any of you ever been to Oxford?" I have. A friend of mine and I went out there a few years ago (more than a few, Goumas was a freshman) to see UNH play Miami. Great town if you're a student (maybe not so much if you're an adult). It was a beautiful weekend, in the 80's, we played golf at the course situated in the state park nearby. And UNH split.

Oxford is really small - it would be a tough place to live as an adult unless you're really set in the family phase of life. But, I'd love to coach there someday!

As a student - it was incredible. The campus is beautiful, uptown is great and I forgot to mention the biggest recruiting advantage - the Miami women (who are always voted among the most beautiful in the country - and rightly so)! It would be a hard place to visit as a recruit and not want to commit on the spot. When I was a student there we had 16,000 students and Oxford had just 8,000 residents. The whole town was our playground, hahaha...
 
Just bumping this thread so that if UNH ever were to get another recruit there will be a place to list it.
 
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Just bumping this thread so that if UNH ever were to get another recruit there will be a place to list it.

Just a wee bit dissatisfied with the pace of recruiting, eh 'Watcher? :D Your take on how recruiting would be tough (given the Umile/Souza transition plan) looks more prescient every day.
 
Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2016 and Beyond

One might note that C-H-C has (1) moved Robinson from a definite 2016 recruit to a 2016 or 2017 recruit, (2) moved Darcy, Cipollone and Aaron O'Neill from potential 16 or 17 to the 2017 list.

The only unexpected thing is the question raised about Robinson. He played little in the playoffs, but because of the NHL CBA, the San Jose Sharks have every reason to push for him to matriculate this year, or they lose his rights next year. Something to watch.

You sure about that CBA rule?

I see the language that would make one think that as far as rights retained differences based on "as long as the player enters college by the second June 1st" etc. etc., but I don't see anything that actually says what happens if the player does not enter college by the 2nd June 1st following being drafted.

In fact there have been a handful of players, at least one in every draft year for the past few, that have played 2 years of junior after being drafted, and there doesn't seem to be any buzz about their draft team losing their rights.

The most high profile of them in recent memory would be Miles Wood of BC. Played 2 years of HS still after being drafted in 2013 and was a freshman this year. Nothing that seems to indicate he is not currently a NJ Devil's owned prospect.
 
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Big night moves Grasso into the top-40 in USHL scoring! Tied at 40...

That's great to hear!!! Looking forward to his arrival..now if we could find a top skating D man too?
 
Another "two and done"? But, I would be ok with 'dat.

Haha, no I wouldnt worry about that. It's nice to see him cross Watcher's threshold and great to hear Hoky's scouting report but the kid is still a munchkin who could stand to add a lot of strength. His combination of skill and lack of size gives him a wide range of potential impact for next year - hopefully he can chip in 15 points or so and set himself up for a top-six role the next three years. If he's even closer to a Mickflikier or Kelleher than I give him credit for, all the better...

I was being half sarcastic about his appearance in the top-40. Ranking 40th is nothing to sneeze at but its not great, though Des Moines doesn't seem to be a great offensive team. It'd be nice to see UNH get back to the top-20 and even top-ten scorers of old...
 
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I was being half sarcastic about his appearance in the top-40. Ranking 40th is nothing to sneeze at but its not great, though Des Moines doesn't seem to be a great offensive team. It'd be nice to see UNH get back to the top-20 and even top-ten scorers of old...

I understood where you were going immediately Dan, but from one whose attempts at sarcasm have been misunderstood it is a tough thing to pull off on an internet message board.
 
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Haha, no I wouldnt worry about that. It's nice to see him cross Watcher's threshold and great to hear Hoky's scouting report but the kid is still a munchkin who could stand to add a lot of strength. His combination of skill and lack of size gives him a wide range of potential impact for next year - hopefully he can chip in 15 points or so and set himself up for a top-six role the next three years. If he's even closer to a Mickflikier or Kelleher than I give him credit for, all the better...

I was being half sarcastic about his appearance in the top-40.
Ranking 40th is nothing to sneeze at but its not great, though Des Moines doesn't seem to be a great offensive team. It'd be nice to see UNH get back to the top-20 and even top-ten scorers of old...

Well naturally I didn't catch the sarcasm :rolleyes: (as usual) but in my defense, was actually thinking, well, beggars can't be choosers so it sounded good to me!! Sigh..Who was/were the last group of player (s) that were in the top 10/20 if I may ask? No matter, still look forward to his arrival. And, like you, was thinking about 'Watchers top 40 skater thing..where was Pots in all of that?
 
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Well naturally I didn't catch the sarcasm :rolleyes: (as usual) but in my defense, was actually thinking, well, beggars can't be choosers so it sounded good to me!! Sigh..Who was/were the last group of player (s) that were in the top 10/20 if I may ask? No matter, still look forward to his arrival. And, like you, was thinking about 'Watchers top 40 skater thing..where was Pots in all of that?

Don't get me wrong Ref, Grasso is a recruit to be excited about - he has a lot of potential and is undoubtedly better than many of the forwards recruited in recent years. But he is so small and not a Kelleher-level talent. Kelleher only scored 16 points as a freshman. Grasso is 5-7, 160 so there is going to be an adjustment period and he'll get pushed around early. With his size, freshman-ness and his offense-first approach you have to wonder what kind of opportunity Umile will even give him. Down the road, he could certainly hit the 100 point plateau - I wouldn't be surprised either way - but he's going to need some time.

For reference, in his equivalent USHL season, Poturalski scored 27 goals, 64 points and finished 6th in the league in scoring. Downing, McNicholas & Vela were top-scorers in the BCHL, as is Blackburn. The last time UNH had a top scorer from the USHL was Blake Kessel, who scored 57 points as a defenseman in Waterloo. In 2006-07 Desimone finished the USHL season as the second-leading scorer, while Sislo was 28th and Beck was 45th. Trevor Smith finished 3rd in 2004-05. Fornataro was 28th and Radja was 38th in 2003-04, while MicFlikier finished 5th the year before. So you can see where the recruiting fell off the cliff. The last class with forwards finishing in the top-40 was the Sislo/Desimone class and that's a big reason why its the last elite class UNH has had...

Of course, you also had Matt White (2nd, 2009-10), Ryan Bourque (3rd on USNTDP, 2009-10) and Mike Vecchione (T-15, 2012-13)...

You may not know of the Chris Heisenberg's spreadsheets - but you can walk through the years and see how prevalent "UNH" was at the top of these spreadsheets in past years and how much lower you usually find the school now...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmMGduOHrZTmyMFhxhWVYi8RLZzv7eHQbuZAcmw3ges/pub#
 
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