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UNH At The Starting Gate....
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Mr. JB, I’m seeing the same thing. The first line is starting to “float” around…no back checking….blind passes….cheating into the neutral zone looking for the breakaways……..soft in the defensive zone. Your right they need to set the example. They are a very talented group that lead the way offensively but some of the little things win games as well.
Mr. JB, I’m seeing the same thing. The first line is starting to “float” around…no back checking….blind passes….cheating into the neutral zone looking for the breakaways……..soft in the defensive zone. Your right they need to set the example. They are a very talented group that lead the way offensively but some of the little things win games as well.
Darius
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Kessel can be grouped with them as well. Pucks continually jumping over sticks, reaching instead of taking an extra stride. Hopefully now that the students are back and campus is energized things will change. Good thing it is late January not late February. Plenty of time...
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I agree with both Darius and JB. I think the first line and Kessel have been reading too many press clippings on their early season success and have got lazy in thier play in the process. The PP in particular is poor and very predictable. Perhps they are bored with their success and can't wait for the season to be over and get into the playoffs. I mentioned once before the coaches don't seem to be willing to make changes if things aren't working well. Kessel in particular stays out a way too long on the power play and can't be effective after 45 secs to 1 minute of time. It may do them some good to sit and watch some others try and see how the opponents are trying to defend. I remember at the start of the season Kipp and Hardowa were paired as the 2nd PP defense and I think Hardowa had 5 points in 5 or 6 games including a goal. He may have the best shot from the point of all the D men. I don't know why he hasn't been given any PP time since the break. The second PP unit has been almost as ineffective as the 1st line, yet the 3rd line seems to be creating some chances 5 on 5. Why not give them a shot at some PP time. We can't sit back and hope that the 1st units will suddenly "get it" again while we go 0 for 6 in PPs and create few good chances. The other thing I noticed on the weekend that really bugs me is the number of times the forwards come back into our zone when they have the puck and should be advancing it forward. This cost the winning goal against BU, but also finds us hemmed in and under pressure rather than breaking out. They can't score on us when the puck is outside our zone which goes way back to pee wee hockey days.
The good news is that these things are happening now and can be corrected before we get to the key playoff games or any NCAA tourney play. I am confident that the team is strong enough to qualify and will put their best foot forward when they get there. Go Cats
I agree with both Darius and JB. I think the first line and Kessel have been reading too many press clippings on their early season success and have got lazy in thier play in the process. The PP in particular is poor and very predictable. Perhps they are bored with their success and can't wait for the season to be over and get into the playoffs. I mentioned once before the coaches don't seem to be willing to make changes if things aren't working well. Kessel in particular stays out a way too long on the power play and can't be effective after 45 secs to 1 minute of time. It may do them some good to sit and watch some others try and see how the opponents are trying to defend. I remember at the start of the season Kipp and Hardowa were paired as the 2nd PP defense and I think Hardowa had 5 points in 5 or 6 games including a goal. He may have the best shot from the point of all the D men. I don't know why he hasn't been given any PP time since the break. The second PP unit has been almost as ineffective as the 1st line, yet the 3rd line seems to be creating some chances 5 on 5. Why not give them a shot at some PP time. We can't sit back and hope that the 1st units will suddenly "get it" again while we go 0 for 6 in PPs and create few good chances. The other thing I noticed on the weekend that really bugs me is the number of times the forwards come back into our zone when they have the puck and should be advancing it forward. This cost the winning goal against BU, but also finds us hemmed in and under pressure rather than breaking out. They can't score on us when the puck is outside our zone which goes way back to pee wee hockey days.
The good news is that these things are happening now and can be corrected before we get to the key playoff games or any NCAA tourney play. I am confident that the team is strong enough to qualify and will put their best foot forward when they get there. Go Cats
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I would agree with adding Kessel.
Those two in particular (Kessel some too) are playing like they think they are all that and forgetting the hard work that made them good at the start of the year.
Picking on DeSimone a little more, UNH had a nice counter going one night last weekend on a solid defensive play in the neutral zone. However, DeSimone was taking his time getting onsides and the potential 3 on 1 was offsides because he did hustle. It was a stupid play and lazy hockey too. Bill Parcels used to say about football players "stupid players do stupid things". His point was don't separate the player from the act and if you don't like me calling you stupid don't be stupid.
Personally I think telling the first line to start hustling and using there head is in order. Fastest way to make them get it is start a different line and cut back on thier playing time Friday night and Saturday if needed.
As an aside it would be nice if they would all hustle off the ice on line changes instead of gliding back to the bench. Up tempo like that puts pressure on the other team.
I would agree with adding Kessel.
Those two in particular (Kessel some too) are playing like they think they are all that and forgetting the hard work that made them good at the start of the year.
Picking on DeSimone a little more, UNH had a nice counter going one night last weekend on a solid defensive play in the neutral zone. However, DeSimone was taking his time getting onsides and the potential 3 on 1 was offsides because he did hustle. It was a stupid play and lazy hockey too. Bill Parcels used to say about football players "stupid players do stupid things". His point was don't separate the player from the act and if you don't like me calling you stupid don't be stupid.
Personally I think telling the first line to start hustling and using there head is in order. Fastest way to make them get it is start a different line and cut back on thier playing time Friday night and Saturday if needed.
As an aside it would be nice if they would all hustle off the ice on line changes instead of gliding back to the bench. Up tempo like that puts pressure on the other team.
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I would give some power play time to Henrion on a line with Burke and ???. Let Henrion use his shot and Burke screening down low.
To defend Umile for leaving the first line out there on PP, the line was out of sync coming out of break. One way to fix that is more ice time to get up to speed. I think we have seen that didn't work so the next trick is to get them grinding a bit harder fighting for their ice time.
I would give some power play time to Henrion on a line with Burke and ???. Let Henrion use his shot and Burke screening down low.
To defend Umile for leaving the first line out there on PP, the line was out of sync coming out of break. One way to fix that is more ice time to get up to speed. I think we have seen that didn't work so the next trick is to get them grinding a bit harder fighting for their ice time.
Nick Papagiorgio
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Fret not folks. This year is going to be different. This is the year!
Umile, after all this time has finally figured it out. He's throwing some of these points on purpose so UNH allows BC to win the HE crown. They'll continue to do so while people like billb take their shots at Dick and question the hearts of these young men. But...Come HE and NCAA tourney time... Dick is going to take a page right out of Jerry York's book. UNH as the underdog... BOOM. They are going to surprise everyone. Dick will be using his timeouts at perfect times! He'll be coaching instead of sitting there pouting on the bench! BC, meanwhile, will be on a huge roll, feeling so great about themselves and their RS title. They will not be ready for the best line in the country and NHL future HOFer Don't Call Me Phil Kessel. UNH takes the HE tourney in the Garden. OMG did we seriously just beat BC in the playoffs for the first time since like 1997 or something? You betcha. BC gets the last 1 seed in Manchester, UNH gets the top 2 seed, both teams win but BC's is a bigger struggle. UNH takes them to the woodshed, twice in one season you have to be kidding me... and on to Minnesota for some 2002 redemption and Minnesota Magic of 2011.
You heard it here first, folks.
Fret not folks. This year is going to be different. This is the year!
Umile, after all this time has finally figured it out. He's throwing some of these points on purpose so UNH allows BC to win the HE crown. They'll continue to do so while people like billb take their shots at Dick and question the hearts of these young men. But...Come HE and NCAA tourney time... Dick is going to take a page right out of Jerry York's book. UNH as the underdog... BOOM. They are going to surprise everyone. Dick will be using his timeouts at perfect times! He'll be coaching instead of sitting there pouting on the bench! BC, meanwhile, will be on a huge roll, feeling so great about themselves and their RS title. They will not be ready for the best line in the country and NHL future HOFer Don't Call Me Phil Kessel. UNH takes the HE tourney in the Garden. OMG did we seriously just beat BC in the playoffs for the first time since like 1997 or something? You betcha. BC gets the last 1 seed in Manchester, UNH gets the top 2 seed, both teams win but BC's is a bigger struggle. UNH takes them to the woodshed, twice in one season you have to be kidding me... and on to Minnesota for some 2002 redemption and Minnesota Magic of 2011.
You heard it here first, folks.
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JB, PSW, Darius and Catnip are right on the money. Although DeSimone, Sislo and Kessel have +/- stats of +8, +7, and +9, respectively, these totals are somewhat misleading. The first line and Kessel have scored a lot of goals but I think they have also been on the ice when a lot of goals have been scored against UNH (would be interesting to see the "-" numbers by themselves). In the never-ending search for a silver lining, I see two. First, these three are among the most talented players on the team and they perceive themselves to be leaders. More focus and motivation should help resolve the problems. Second, if perceptive fans are seeing the same deficiencies, it's safe to assume that these players and the coaches have noticed them as well. Their shortcomings have been exposed so now it's just a matter of rectifying them.
Between the 2nd and 3rd periods of the BU game, NESN did a long feature on Sislo-DeSimone-Thompson. The feature focused on how close these players have become over their years at UNH. In the interviews, each player mentioned that they can criticize each other's play without creating hard feelings. It's up to them (and Kessel) to turn it around and start playing their best now that February and March are on the doorstep.
JB, PSW, Darius and Catnip are right on the money. Although DeSimone, Sislo and Kessel have +/- stats of +8, +7, and +9, respectively, these totals are somewhat misleading. The first line and Kessel have scored a lot of goals but I think they have also been on the ice when a lot of goals have been scored against UNH (would be interesting to see the "-" numbers by themselves). In the never-ending search for a silver lining, I see two. First, these three are among the most talented players on the team and they perceive themselves to be leaders. More focus and motivation should help resolve the problems. Second, if perceptive fans are seeing the same deficiencies, it's safe to assume that these players and the coaches have noticed them as well. Their shortcomings have been exposed so now it's just a matter of rectifying them.
Between the 2nd and 3rd periods of the BU game, NESN did a long feature on Sislo-DeSimone-Thompson. The feature focused on how close these players have become over their years at UNH. In the interviews, each player mentioned that they can criticize each other's play without creating hard feelings. It's up to them (and Kessel) to turn it around and start playing their best now that February and March are on the doorstep.
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Well as always you paint a nice picture. It sounds good to me so I hope you are right.
On a positive Umile note he has called a couple time outs this year that shocked me. They weren't right at the end of the game and seemed well placed reference an icing or momentum issue.
Well as always you paint a nice picture. It sounds good to me so I hope you are right.
On a positive Umile note he has called a couple time outs this year that shocked me. They weren't right at the end of the game and seemed well placed reference an icing or momentum issue.
5IslandsWildcat
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No UNH-Prov thread indicates lack of interest in this weekend. Also, lack of concern. I think this is a big weekend. If UNH gets 4 points, cannot assume that all is well going into weekends against Maine, Merrimack, and BC. But <4 points indicates problems. So important to take care of business: score goals, play great defense, and no dumb penalties. And, of course, skate, skate, skate, and skate some more.
No UNH-Prov thread indicates lack of interest in this weekend. Also, lack of concern. I think this is a big weekend. If UNH gets 4 points, cannot assume that all is well going into weekends against Maine, Merrimack, and BC. But <4 points indicates problems. So important to take care of business: score goals, play great defense, and no dumb penalties. And, of course, skate, skate, skate, and skate some more.
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Rationale:
~ Might help the entire team refocus on playing defense.
~ All the other top Hockey East teams have used two (or more) goalies this year.
~ DiGi could use a break before the upcoming Maine then Merrimack weekends.
I wonder - do we see either Jeff Wyer or Tyler Scott in the net during one of the Providence games this weekend?
Rationale:
~ Might help the entire team refocus on playing defense.
~ All the other top Hockey East teams have used two (or more) goalies this year.
~ DiGi could use a break before the upcoming Maine then Merrimack weekends.
UNHhockey29
You may be wild but I'm Wilder
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I just don't see that happening at all. Why would you play goalies that have absolutely no experience (minus the what, 2 minutes Scott played) when you are playing a conference game? Points are points and they can be very important.
I just don't see that happening at all. Why would you play goalies that have absolutely no experience (minus the what, 2 minutes Scott played) when you are playing a conference game? Points are points and they can be very important.
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I was not at the BU game but can only say what I heard from the film crew.
Is it accurate that the ref. neither immediately signaled a goal nor waved off the UNH equalizer? After review we all know it was disallowed. The review did not use the NESN cameras, just the UNH overhead. That image I am told showed Milan's glove fully behind the goal line, but did not show where the puck was. The referees asked the goal judge and he confirmed his call.
So on what basis was this goal disallowed? If the referee always needs to confirm a goal as good, then what is the point of the goal judge? Make him just the red-light-turner-on person.
Thoughts anyone?
I was not at the BU game but can only say what I heard from the film crew.
Is it accurate that the ref. neither immediately signaled a goal nor waved off the UNH equalizer? After review we all know it was disallowed. The review did not use the NESN cameras, just the UNH overhead. That image I am told showed Milan's glove fully behind the goal line, but did not show where the puck was. The referees asked the goal judge and he confirmed his call.
So on what basis was this goal disallowed? If the referee always needs to confirm a goal as good, then what is the point of the goal judge? Make him just the red-light-turner-on person.
Thoughts anyone?
He did, but it took a moment. Clearly, he didn't see it either way and was pondering his next move. After caLling no goal, the video had to clearly show him wrong.
unh_hockey
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so a 2 point weekend followed by losing by 1 goal indicates lack of interest? Go into that lockeroom and tell the boys that. I am sure staff and players will disagree with you there. You don't 'not show up' and hold BU to two goals, you just get outplayed. Plain and simple.
Pundits are quick to jump to conclusions because it helps with the reconsiliation process of losing. Unforatuntly, none of these root causes are probably correct. I won't pretend to know why UNH lost to BU, but I could assume it had something to do w/ parker getting a good matchup against our good line, some solid effort between the pipes, and a few guys stepping it up mid game.
When I saw UNH play, they were a solid all around team, but nothing flashy. On a given night they can beat a good squad or lose to a 500 team. Its hockey. it happens.
so a 2 point weekend followed by losing by 1 goal indicates lack of interest? Go into that lockeroom and tell the boys that. I am sure staff and players will disagree with you there. You don't 'not show up' and hold BU to two goals, you just get outplayed. Plain and simple.
Pundits are quick to jump to conclusions because it helps with the reconsiliation process of losing. Unforatuntly, none of these root causes are probably correct. I won't pretend to know why UNH lost to BU, but I could assume it had something to do w/ parker getting a good matchup against our good line, some solid effort between the pipes, and a few guys stepping it up mid game.
When I saw UNH play, they were a solid all around team, but nothing flashy. On a given night they can beat a good squad or lose to a 500 team. Its hockey. it happens.
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I don't know if you have seen them since break. At this point IMO 2/3 of the first line have stopped being solid all around, two much attempt at being flashy not enough smart solid play. I am less disturbed by the 3-3 record or the 2-1 loss than I am by what my eyes tell me is the cause. Hopefully this is just a phase they will work out of, as I liked the hardworking smart solid team - even with the warts that group had.
As for playing the freshman D the "5th/6th" line forwards or the backup goalies from time to time I don't care league game or not you need to do it. This need to get every point is part of the "UNH" problem. I think it would be better to finish 2nd/3rd and have the "starters" fresh and "back-ups" ready if needed than finish 1st in league. I am all about the true goal and that is not another regular season championship. If that happens along the way great but I don't see it as the point of the regular season, the regular season is to 1a) make the tournament and 1b) be ready for the tournament.
I don't know if you have seen them since break. At this point IMO 2/3 of the first line have stopped being solid all around, two much attempt at being flashy not enough smart solid play. I am less disturbed by the 3-3 record or the 2-1 loss than I am by what my eyes tell me is the cause. Hopefully this is just a phase they will work out of, as I liked the hardworking smart solid team - even with the warts that group had.
As for playing the freshman D the "5th/6th" line forwards or the backup goalies from time to time I don't care league game or not you need to do it. This need to get every point is part of the "UNH" problem. I think it would be better to finish 2nd/3rd and have the "starters" fresh and "back-ups" ready if needed than finish 1st in league. I am all about the true goal and that is not another regular season championship. If that happens along the way great but I don't see it as the point of the regular season, the regular season is to 1a) make the tournament and 1b) be ready for the tournament.
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Ill be surprised if Umile doesn't give Digi a rest for 1 game this weekend for many reasons. A move like that can cause the team to re-focus and play at the top of their game for a goalie getting his first start, and I'm sure its in Digi's best interest to rest for 1 game. Who is the #2 goaltender on the team, Wyer or Scott?
Ill be surprised if Umile doesn't give Digi a rest for 1 game this weekend for many reasons. A move like that can cause the team to re-focus and play at the top of their game for a goalie getting his first start, and I'm sure its in Digi's best interest to rest for 1 game. Who is the #2 goaltender on the team, Wyer or Scott?
RockTheWhit
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March 1, 2008-The last time Umile started a backup goalie while the starter was healthy.
March 1, 2008-The last time Umile started a backup goalie while the starter was healthy.
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