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UNH 2025 Offseason: Where in the World is MS7?

If you think Alfond is still going to be a dump after $50 million in renovations....then you are hopelessly blind to modern day college athletics and what elite athletes are looking for. Whittemore Center's $20 million renovation is quaint.....should help keep you near the top of wherever UNH hockey ends up post-Hockey East.

"If the Alfond Family was SO dedicated to the future of the UMaine hockey program, and following your devotion to all things facility-wise ... one would think you would be demanding the Alfonds pony up some real dough".....lol. Well they gave $170 million to UMaine Athletics.....I know it's not UNH money but it's nothing to sneeze at....and then it was up to the UMaine Athletic dept. to channel those funds where they saw fit.....they prioritized hockey and hoops.....but also spread the wealth across the entire athletic campus with new softball, field hockey, soccer and track facilities. I know size matters so much to MAGAs like you but most Maine fans wanted to keep the intimate setting and focus on athlete related facilities and comforts...and they have certainly done that. When the new UMaine Athletic Campus is finished in a few years.....it will leave UNH....and many other New England schools.....in the dust. Good luck getting your conservative state government to support UNH in the future....personally I think it seems a bit bleak for you guys,
You seem to be a little sensitive, I'd hate to see how off the handle you might go if I was really trying to do damage. Chill, dude.

Obviously, the Alfonds have been very generous to UMaine, and to other schools as well. I'm sure you're aware there is a brand new $100M facility an hour south of Orono at Colby College in Waterville that bears Alfond's name, too. At least looking at the on-line renderings of the Orono renovation, it's nice, and I'm with you on the "intimate setting" advantages, you'll note that I put your place next to Mathews as my two favorite HEA road destinations. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the circus tent roof features, but like the "Whale" down at Ingalls/Yale, I suppose that's part of the place's overall charm, and it's definitely unique, you know where you are when you see it, so if the powers-that-be prefer maintaining that. and the modest 5,000 seat capacity, who am I to question them?

Is it wrong to at least question why the Alfonds didn't do a deeper dive into their trust funds, and spring for an entirely new. state-of-the-art arena in Orono though? Seems like a once-in-a-generation (century?) opportunity to start from scratch with a 7,500-8,000 seater, including the upgrades being put into the current place, would at least have been an option? And if you guys still insist on the tent-pole circus roof look, modern engineering can pull off miracles, no??

Anyway ... ultimately, the issues faced by UMaine trying to stay competitive are largely (in some cases entirely) out of their control. Location, location, location is and always has been a primary issue. Your campus is virtually equidistant from Boston MA and Moncton NB, and (much) closer to the latter when traffic is worked into the equation. Isolation isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you, so long as the locale is booming, and for you guys ... well, Bangor. Compared to potty's comps of the "dregs" of UVM (Burlington) and UNH (Portsmouth), Bangor is a distant third. UNH has a direct rail connection into the TD Garden in Boston, which you guys up in the Downeast also have ... IF you drive two hours south to Portland first, and then take the same rail connection UNH has, with UNH being the halfway point in that journey. And while UVM doesn't have Boston, it's closer to Montreal than you guys are to Portland. None of that helps.

I hate rolling that stuff out, because most of it belabors the obvious, and some UMaine-iacs have an inferiority complex that can only be solved by the *two NCAA titles (that's you, sparks), but overall I have always believed the UMaine and UNH fan bases have more in common than we do in opposition. And just to bring the discussion back to the original topic of resources and facilities, and how that sets things up for the future of our schools in HEA (and beyond?), if the argument is that UMS has a slightly better relationship with Augusta than USNH has with Concord, you may have that point (at least for now, as political winds change quickly and unexpectedly). The Alfonds are a great asset as UMaine benefactors, no doubt. And despite these positive recent developments down in UNH-land, the TDL's and JMS' of the world have a LONG way to go to catch up to the Alfonds. But they're just getting started, and the support they have started to tap into privately is broad and deep, and will only continue to grow as the economics of the Seacoast region (including Newburyport MA and York ME) continues to drive the local economic engine. Can these folks make a meaningful change in the long-term outlook for UNH? Time will tell, but as I've said a bunch of times over the last few weeks, the timing of the announcement here is very encouraging, and seems to be a statement of intent. We'll see ...

Long-term, the current "Alfond advantage" UMaine has over UNH may be going away, as the impression I've gotten from you folks over the years is that after the Alfonds, the "benefactor bench" for UMaine is pretty short and shallow. Having all of your eggs in one basket is always a risk, and hopefully what we're starting to see publicly down here is indeed a broad and eventually deep (pocketed) group of UNH benefactors that will allow UNH to stay HEA relevant.

But the UNH folks are definitely on the clock. If the UNH admins mess this up, they will only have themselves to blame for not getting ahead of this sooner and more meaningfully. The visionary spirit of '93 that got UNH to the front of the HEA line with The Whitt will have otherwise been squandered. JMHO.
 
You will never have this discussion. You avoid it like the plague. It really does get to you, and that jingle too…

“We’ve got two, how ‘bout you?”
Y'know ... I enjoy reading your hockey-specific posts, and you seem to have some decent insight into recruiting too. But on big picture stuff ... total fail. Sorry/true.

Let me wrap things up in a neat little package, and put a bow on it. UMaine beat UNH in Men's Hockey in the 20th century (1900-1999). Won more in less time. Kudos Walshy and Standbrook, and even if one of those *two may have been a little tainted, you won the Game of the Century in OT over UNH in April 1999.

QED, you "win" the 20th century in our rivalry. 🏆

You may have noticed that we're now in the 21st century, and neither school has maintained their winning patterns from the end of last century. UMaine is ahead 3-2 in Hockey East Tourney titles (UMaine 2000/2004/2025; UNH 2002/2003) so far, but otherwise the two programs have limped along in a similar way, until the arrival of Ben Barr in Orono. Advantage UMaine for the 21st century, but with 75 years left to go, it's still anyone's game.

Feel better now, champ?? :cool:
 
You seem to be a little sensitive, I'd hate to see how off the handle you might go if I was really trying to do damage. Chill, dude.

Obviously, the Alfonds have been very generous to UMaine, and to other schools as well. I'm sure you're aware there is a brand new $100M facility an hour south of Orono at Colby College in Waterville that bears Alfond's name, too. At least looking at the on-line renderings of the Orono renovation, it's nice, and I'm with you on the "intimate setting" advantages, you'll note that I put your place next to Mathews as my two favorite HEA road destinations. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the circus tent roof features, but like the "Whale" down at Ingalls/Yale, I suppose that's part of the place's overall charm, and it's definitely unique, you know where you are when you see it, so if the powers-that-be prefer maintaining that. and the modest 5,000 seat capacity, who am I to question them?

Is it wrong to at least question why the Alfonds didn't do a deeper dive into their trust funds, and spring for an entirely new. state-of-the-art arena in Orono though? Seems like a once-in-a-generation (century?) opportunity to start from scratch with a 7,500-8,000 seater, including the upgrades being put into the current place, would at least have been an option? And if you guys still insist on the tent-pole circus roof look, modern engineering can pull off miracles, no??

Anyway ... ultimately, the issues faced by UMaine trying to stay competitive are largely (in some cases entirely) out of their control. Location, location, location is and always has been a primary issue. Your campus is virtually equidistant from Boston MA and Moncton NB, and (much) closer to the latter when traffic is worked into the equation. Isolation isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you, so long as the locale is booming, and for you guys ... well, Bangor. Compared to potty's comps of the "dregs" of UVM (Burlington) and UNH (Portsmouth), Bangor is a distant third. UNH has a direct rail connection into the TD Garden in Boston, which you guys up in the Downeast also have ... IF you drive two hours south to Portland first, and then take the same rail connection UNH has, with UNH being the halfway point in that journey. And while UVM doesn't have Boston, it's closer to Montreal than you guys are to Portland. None of that helps.

I hate rolling that stuff out, because most of it belabors the obvious, and some UMaine-iacs have an inferiority complex that can only be solved by the *two NCAA titles (that's you, sparks), but overall I have always believed the UMaine and UNH fan bases have more in common than we do in opposition. And just to bring the discussion back to the original topic of resources and facilities, and how that sets things up for the future of our schools in HEA (and beyond?), if the argument is that UMS has a slightly better relationship with Augusta than USNH has with Concord, you may have that point (at least for now, as political winds change quickly and unexpectedly). The Alfonds are a great asset as UMaine benefactors, no doubt. And despite these positive recent developments down in UNH-land, the TDL's and JMS' of the world have a LONG way to go to catch up to the Alfonds. But they're just getting started, and the support they have started to tap into privately is broad and deep, and will only continue to grow as the economics of the Seacoast region (including Newburyport MA and York ME) continues to drive the local economic engine. Can these folks make a meaningful change in the long-term outlook for UNH? Time will tell, but as I've said a bunch of times over the last few weeks, the timing of the announcement here is very encouraging, and seems to be a statement of intent. We'll see ...

Long-term, the current "Alfond advantage" UMaine has over UNH may be going away, as the impression I've gotten from you folks over the years is that after the Alfonds, the "benefactor bench" for UMaine is pretty short and shallow. Having all of your eggs in one basket is always a risk, and hopefully what we're starting to see publicly down here is indeed a broad and eventually deep (pocketed) group of UNH benefactors that will allow UNH to stay HEA relevant.

But the UNH folks are definitely on the clock. If the UNH admins mess this up, they will only have themselves to blame for not getting ahead of this sooner and more meaningfully. The visionary spirit of '93 that got UNH to the front of the HEA line with The Whitt will have otherwise been squandered. JMHO.
I believe a new arena was discussed and there were some renderings of new concepts that were floated around but ultimately they decided to upgrade the existing facility. Most Maine fans don't have a problem with the decision at all even if there are some quality of life things we'd like to see (chairbacks throughout the lower bowl, better parking, etc). A new arena would likely end up being something stale and cookie cutter like every other arena that gets built nowadays. Not sure if that would make it easier to sell to recruits, but the current arena certainly has a reputation. The renderings were okay (link here) but from the one arena shot it actually looks like it might have been smaller than the current capacity which would have been a very difficult sell for the fanbase when there is a wait list over 1K people deep for season tickets.

We got some video updates yesterday of the in-progress look and it sounds like the facility upgrades are ahead of schedule.
 
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There's two ways an admissions rate goes up ... and one of them is if you have fewer applications to fill the same number of seats, numb-nuts. You might have tapped into the sentiment of the current generation of high schoolers who actually question whether getting a marginal specialty degree that comes with six-figure debt is worth the wait, when they can apprentice in a trade, start making money right away (often helped by supporting HS programs), and work towards owning their own business by the time Billy & Sally Prep-School amass $200,000 in college loans to hit the streets to find out how much their Gender Studies Master's Degrees or PhD's can earn them on the real-life street. So, application numbers go down, and acceptance rates go up.
All valid. Additionally, a UNH mission is to "provide comprehensive, high-quality undergraduate programs and graduate programs of distinction" primarily to NH residents. If you are a NH high school graduate with decent grades and are not a convicted criminal or severely developmentally disabled ;) you will be accepted. Also, USNH has streamlined the process to transfer to the U from NH Community Colleges. Because of the budget/funding constraints, out of state applicants with dough are very attractive to the U as well. Good safety school.
 
I believe a new arena was discussed and there were some renderings of new concepts that were floated around but ultimately they decided to upgrade the existing facility. Most Maine fans don't have a problem with the decision at all even if there are some quality of life things we'd like to see (chairbacks throughout the lower bowl, better parking, etc). A new arena would likely end up being something stale and cookie cutter like everything other arena that gets built nowadays. Not sure if that would make it easier to sell to recruits, but the current arena certainly has a reputation. The renderings were okay (link here) but from the one arena shot it actually looks like it might have been smaller than the current capacity which would have been a very difficult sell for the fanbase when there is a wait list over 1K people deep for season tickets.

We got some video updates yesterday of the in-progress look and it sounds like the facility upgrades are ahead of schedule.
Yeah that rendering of the new hockey facility was mediocre at best.....and who spends $100+ million to DECREASE capacity (I think that facility was to be around 4,500). I agree with the road taken with the main recruiting benefits being player amenity improvements. Alfond sells itself with its game day atmosphere....and lighting, sound, concessions, restrooms and general overall appearance have all been addressed. Hard to believe that even with all the improvements to date that Morse Arena is still to come. THAT will be a game changer for hoops....and definitely change the dynamic of the athletic campus.
 
Oh Chuckie.....you think you know so much but know so little. Stay in your MAGA lane buddy.

If you think Alfond is still going to be a dump after $50 million in renovations....then you are hopelessly blind to modern day college athletics and what elite athletes are looking for. Whittemore Center's $20 million renovation is quaint.....should help keep you near the top of wherever UNH hockey ends up post-Hockey East.

"If the Alfond Family was SO dedicated to the future of the UMaine hockey program, and following your devotion to all things facility-wise ... one would think you would be demanding the Alfonds pony up some real dough".....lol. Well they gave $170 million to UMaine Athletics.....I know it's not UNH money but it's nothing to sneeze at....and then it was up to the UMaine Athletic dept. to channel those funds where they saw fit.....they prioritized hockey and hoops.....but also spread the wealth across the entire athletic campus with new softball, field hockey, soccer and track facilities. I know size matters so much to MAGAs like you but most Maine fans wanted to keep the intimate setting and focus on athlete related facilities and comforts...and they have certainly done that. When the new UMaine Athletic Campus is finished in a few years.....it will leave UNH....and many other New England schools.....in the dust. Good luck getting your conservative state government to support UNH in the future....personally I think it seems a bit bleak for you guys,
WTF does MAGA have to do with anything here? I'd worry about your wing nut Governor she's a real peach.. :ROFLMAO:
 
Y'know ... I enjoy reading your hockey-specific posts, and you seem to have some decent insight into recruiting too. But on big picture stuff ... total fail. Sorry/true.

Let me wrap things up in a neat little package, and put a bow on it. UMaine beat UNH in Men's Hockey in the 20th century (1900-1999). Won more in less time. Kudos Walshy and Standbrook, and even if one of those *two may have been a little tainted, you won the Game of the Century in OT over UNH in April 1999.

QED, you "win" the 20th century in our rivalry. 🏆

You may have noticed that we're now in the 21st century, and neither school has maintained their winning patterns from the end of last century. UMaine is ahead 3-2 in Hockey East Tourney titles (UMaine 2000/2004/2025; UNH 2002/2003) so far, but otherwise the two programs have limped along in a similar way, until the arrival of Ben Barr in Orono. Advantage UMaine for the 21st century, but with 75 years left to go, it's still anyone's game.

Feel better now, champ?? :cool:
Yes. The general feeling after reading your post is that you admitted defeat and that UMaine has been, is now, and will be better.
 
Sorry groovy, forgot about you and a few others, and I also have a soft spot for the contrarian poster (drew?) who shows up here once in a while.

Poor skippy/sparky/whatever unfortunately gets a headache when I go beyond a couple of lines. Seems a tetanus shot may be in order at some point ...
 
Tough crap Dip$hit. Someone has to call you out on your long winded bull shit. Browbeating you into submission frequently is fun for some of us.
Yeah, and maybe someday it might even happen lol ... nothing more pathetic than a simpleton (i.e. you) who believes himself to be king ...
 
I can assure you Maine's governor and the Maine legislature is a dumpster fire. From her stance on men playing in women's sports to the legislature silencing state rep Laurel Libby, a staunch advocate for women's sports, is nothing short of FUBAR. In addition, the legislature wants to tax Maine workers into oblivion.
 
Oh, Buford! I'll be kind and just blame your error on your, ahem, Chromosome issues.... UMaine has Alfond. Similar to UND's relationship to the Engelstads and Penn State's relationship to Pegula, the love and loyalty of a billionaire or two changes EVERYTHING. A poor man with a dream has nothing in common with a poor man that has a dream and a billionaire benefactor to fund his dream. Alas, to compare the fortunes of UNH hockey to UMaine hockey is to reveal one's ignorance.


UNH currently has an admissions rate of 87%. Essentially, it rejects only convicted criminals, people that didn't attend high school and severely developmentally disabled people. I'm quite serious. 87% means the only people that get rejected are those that have no academic potential at all. It didn't used to be that way at all. For you to say "it's time to tighten the belts" clearly shows that you have absolutely no interest in the integrity or mission of UNH or the value of higher education in general.

You don't know what debt is and how it is often used to power advancement/investment


The GI Bill was an excess? I literally pray that your are not an UNH alum. If so, you singlehandedly devalue the entire insitution. You clearly don't understand the purpose of education. Do have any clue how much the US economy has be powered by the US Government funded research done at Universities since WW2? The US Government discovered in WW2 that US Universities were the perfect place to park research dollars to power innovation.
Chuck is a Bentley alum and former Masshole! Surprised you wouldn't know that.
 
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