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UNH 2018 Offseason- Out with the old , in with the semi new?

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2 of the goals NU gave up today were soft. 1 or 2 last Friday as well.

On the NU thread they said that one of their d-men had been "dismissed" from the team and they were playing with five because the coach didn't "trust" the guys who hadn't played all year. They were definitely exhausted...also small. The bigger Michigan forwards continuously were able to dip their shoulders and get inside them. They did it at least fifteen times if they did it once and it directly led to two of the goals. I'm surprised the d-men didn't back off and force the forwards to the outside. I believe it cost them the game. Sometimes you have to go with guys that haven't played much because they could be better than playing tired players.
 
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“The last 19 years have been better than I could have imagined,” the 59-year-old Lucia said while reading from a five-page opening statement, choking up when he started to talk about his family. “This is the right time for me to leave coaching and move on to the next phase of my life.”

“I’m turning 60 years old. It’s time. It’s somebody else’s turn. I was never one to say I’m going to coach until I was 65 or 70. I looked at probably around 60 was not a bad time,” Lucia said. “I’ve always felt that this is a great job and somebody else should have the opportunity to do it.”


How

Freaking

Refreshing

Wonder what would have happened if McCloskey took over 8-10 years ago ... ???
 
Soft goals don't cut it this time of year!

At least Vanek's goals in the Buffalo FF were not soft. And, sure, I agree that we have been closer to the promised land than NU. But, for the past decade plus it has been brutal to be an UNH hockey fan.
 
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At least Vanek's goals in the Buffalo FF were not soft. And, sure, I agree that we have been closer to the promised land than NU. But, for the past decade plus it has been brutal to be an UNH hockey fan.

Was just thinking yesterday watching all the Regionals that it was 5 years ago that I started following. Question for you veterans about that game v UML that we lost 2-0...do you think we would have possibly won if Goumas/Downing had been in the line up that day? Not a haunting q but makes me go hmmm....Hope it won't take forever to get back there!
 
Was just thinking yesterday watching all the Regionals that it was 5 years ago that I started following. Question for you veterans about that game v UML that we lost 2-0...do you think we would have possibly won if Goumas/Downing had been in the line up that day? Not a haunting q but makes me go hmmm....Hope it won't take forever to get back there!

I think that all teams deal with injuries, but the good teams with good coaching usually prevail despite the injuries. Cases in point, your local B's and C's at the moment.

Get back where? If you mean the Frozen Four, forgeddaboutit; will be lucky to get back to the Garden and/or make the NCAAs with this coaching/recruiting crew, and I am not holding my breath on either of those goals.
 
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I think that all teams deal with injuries, but the good teams with good coaching usually prevail despite the injuries. Cases in point, your local B's and C's at the moment.

Get back where? If you mean the Frozen Four, forgeddaboutit; will be lucky to get back to the Garden and/or make the NCAAs with this coaching/recruiting crew, and I am not holding my breath on either of those goals.

Get back anywhere you know kind of like the Beatles song "Get back to where you once belonged". Watching a ton of games this weekend really makes you want to be a part of it...at some point. I realize where we are right now. Hoping for a Bruins Stanley Cup run!!! Go B's!!
 
At least Vanek's goals in the Buffalo FF were not soft. And, sure, I agree that we have been closer to the promised land than NU. But, for the past decade plus it has been brutal to be an UNH hockey fan.
Well, going back to 2008, UNH is 4-4 in the NCAA'$ including big wins over NODAK and Denver and Cornell!
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/sports/hockey/ohio-state-hockey.html

An article highlighting the importance of having great and proven assitants and recruiters.

Steve Miller - 2 championships at Denver
1 championship at Providence
now final four at Ohio State

Keith Fisher and Matt Lindsay, rebuilt Princeton as assistants to Gadowsky, then built Penn State with Gadowsky

at some point, proven ability to rebuild is critical.

Steve Rohlik, rebuilt Duluth into NCAA champ before getting Ohio State job
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/sports/hockey/ohio-state-hockey.html

An article highlighting the importance of having great and proven assitants and recruiters.

Steve Miller - 2 championships at Denver
1 championship at Providence
now final four at Ohio State

Keith Fisher and Matt Lindsay, rebuilt Princeton as assistants to Gadowsky, then built Penn State with Gadowsky

at some point, proven ability to rebuild is critical.

Steve Rohlik, rebuilt Duluth into NCAA champ before getting Ohio State job

So what you're saying is ... in 2015, having just finished helping to win the D-1 title in Providence with Nate Leaman, Miller was ready to move on to his next challenge. At the same time, BS35+3 was starting to hatch his innovative "three year plan" to bring in a top-notch assistant coach from another HE program to edge his legendary 25 yr. head coach (and his lifetime contract) closer to the exit. And with his ear to the ground, picking up on all available options, somehow UNH ended up with Souza, and Air Force :eek: :confused: got Miller?!?

:rolleyes:

Hey, at least MS passes the paisan FBI test, so we've got that going for us, I suppose ...
 
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So what you're saying is ... in 2015, having just finished helping to win the D-1 title in Providence with Nate Leaman, Miller was ready to move on to his next challenge. At the same time, BS35+3 was starting to hatch his innovative "three year plan" to bring in a top-notch assistant coach from another HE program to edge his legendary 25 yr. head coach (and his lifetime contract) closer to the exit. And with his ear to the ground, picking up on all available options, somehow UNH ended up with Souza, and Air Force :eek: :confused: got Miller?!?

:rolleyes:

Hey, at least MS passes the paisan FBI test, so we've got that going for us, I suppose ...

Thanks for making me laugh after that crushing defeat last night...I needed that! :)
 
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Not talking about the past. Seriously. The plane cabin has been closed, and we have a pilot, so now I'm just curious about how to get the plane to a landing.

One undeniable point demonstrated by the NCAAs (beyond the fluke teams) how critical an assistant is. I actually think Gadowsky/Fisher/Lindsay are pretty good evidence of getting Princeton rebuilt, then moving to Penn State.

I was looking through the Penn State roster, and there are a decent number of kids who Penn State got (Biro, Limoges, Barrett) who were right in UNH's former prestige level (just below the North Dakota/BU/BC range).

I'm not trying to do the survivor bias analysis backwards, of looking at the teams this year and backing into what they do. That's sort of like looking at the lottery winner and then ignoring those that failed. (Or trying to model after one hit wonders like Yale).
Made me realize how those second tier (Ohio State/Penn State) sort of programs built up really at the expense of UNH, which used to be in the mix for the second tier. Certainly made me melancholy for the time UNH won recruiting battles, and how those who won them are now showing the results of that.

Now the counter to that is that Penn State has top guys (Sturz and Succese) who were identified rather than recruited. Similarly, Ohio State, because of the shakeup after Osiecki, has upper classmen who were identified more than recruited. But the next step in evolution is to win recruiting battles. Prokup and Ahac -- I think UNH was after Prokup and maybe Ahac -- shows that Ohio State has moved past UNH in the food chain.

So the next UNH assistant will have to be able to play in the "identify" talent skills that they currently are using. But there are assistants who can sell/recruit, and Miller is an example of a guy infectious enough and with a track record he can port with him. It sounds like UNH will not be getting a salesman, so the assistant better be very good at identifying the under the radar kids.

Basically just looking for some news so that we know the path forward -- coaches and any late recruits.
 
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I know, I focus too much on that "big" loss to RIT after the "big win" over Cornell in 2010. Sigh.

That game still gives me nightmares. That is one of those games that just snowballed

Another example for total lack of in-game adjustments.

I think it's an example of not getting the guys up for a lesser opponent.

I think you're all correct. In retrospect it's easy to see the RIT loss as the point where a lot of the accumulated faith in Coach Umile began to leak away. With the teams in the latter part of that decade, and the 2010 team, that really should have been the 3rd "peak" of the Umile era, with one or two more FF appearances, and *maybe* that elusive D-1 title. But the 2010 loss especially registered, since there was every reason to believe (1) UNH would/should beat RIT, and (2) Coach would have learned from the prior postseason disasters - and one very similar one against unheralded Niagara earlier in that decade - and there would be no further "Umile-ations". *cough* 6-2 *cough* And then reality set in, and here we were again, with another inexplicable postseason gack job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU_4NehrBdI

And then there was the post-game presser, when Coach moans about some bad breaks and bounces, and 3 goals in 2 minutes to break open a close game in the second period ... and his guys (Butler and LeBlanc) echo the same things, seemingly unaware of any differences between the tactics put out there by Cornell in the previous game, and RIT in the Regional Finals.

I think it's fair to say that a lot of us (myself included) had bought into the idea that Coach had learned his lessons and would eventually figure it out. Peak One ('98 & '99) got them to the FF's twice, and the close call OT with UMaine. Peak Two ('02 & '03) again got them to the FF's twice, with another close call (Vanek's 3rd period in '03 @ Buffalo) but the first two (and still only) HE Tourney titles in program history. I was much less actively following the UNH program during the Peak Three era due to other commitments I'd taken on (happily), but I do remember the RIT loss as a watershed moment where I started really believing that *maybe* Coach really hadn't figured it out after all, and that the '02 & '03 tourney wins were all about Saviano, Collins and Ayers, et als.

Things were already sliding (almost imperceptibly) by 2010, and that began to accelerate (decelerate?) over the next 5 years, which has then been followed by the cratering of the program over these last three seasons. But the last vestiges of unvarnished optimism about Coach Umile's "ceiling" were vanquished in many fans' minds by that 2010 loss to RIT.

I asked the question a couple of days ago in this thread ... what if Coach Umile stepped down at around that point, at around the same age as Coach Lucia when he stepped down at Minnesota? Coach McCloskey at that point had ripped off several HE Women's titles in a row, and was still in the good graces (to say the least) and probably had it at least in the back of his mind that he'd be ready to switch back over to the Men's side if/when his former boss decided to retire. But Coach Umile decided to continue, and *maybe* a frustrated Coach McCloskey was never the same after that, as BOTH programs began the slide down the league's standings.

I can't help but think McCloskey would have jumped in with both feet had he been offered the reins of the Men's program at the time, and who knows how things would have turned out? I think this may be the most underplayed and under-discussed topic arising from the UNH Hockey programs over the last generation.

Thoughts as offseason grist for the discussion mill (p.s. apologies for breaking the thread rules again)??
 
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Nah, UNH died in 2009, just as it was basking in the miracle win vs. North Dakota.

At that point, Borek committed early to 16 year old Eric Chevrier in the fall, and Kyle Smith in January, then got Justin Agosta in February, Nick Sorkin in March, and capped it off with Jamie Hill (and Jeff Wyer). In April, Ryan Bourque walked away, Cam Reid and Matt White didn't get into school.
Borek covered those losses with Dalton Speelman, Scott Pavelski and Austin Block.



(edit, to drive in the point. The 2009 group of Smith, Sorkin and Hill were part of Borek's reach out to southern NJ/Maryland kids. The next year that yielded Max Gaudreault, Dylan Maller and Casey Thrush. In that system was a 16 year old kid, Jon Gaudreau. We know about the connections between Hill and Gaudreau, both from Southern Jersey and from the same program,but a young agressive head coach from Northeastern starting to rebuild his program managed to get for him.)

Tues. 2/16/10
Little Big Man

5'6", 135 lb. Team Comcast Under-18 forward John Gaudreau has committed to Northeastern for the fall of '12.

Gaudreau, an August '93 birthdate, has a 26-24-50 line in 42 Tier I Elite League games this season. He's a left shot playing the off wing, and can also play in the middle.

In addition to playing for Team Comcast, Gaudreau, a junior, plays for Gloucester Catholic, where he has an 18-24-42 line in 13 games.

A lot of the Ivies - Dartmouth, Princeton, Yale, and Brown -- were onto him. In Hockey East, UNH and UMass-Amherst were also in the picture. Gaudreau's father played at Norwich for UMass coach Toot Cahoon back in the early ‘80s.

Gaudreau may play for Team Comcast again next season, or he may move on to juniors. At any rate, he'll play at least one year of juniors before heading to Northeastern.

"He's a small kid but has unbelievable hands," says Jared Beach, his coach. "He's a dynamic player who can cut back to evade defenders better than anyone I've seen. His skating is awesome. He has the best edge control of anyone I've seen at the '93 level. And he can stickhandle in a phone booth. He needs to fill out but will be a huge impact guy at the Division I level."
 
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