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UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

One more point for jcarter to chew on:

Strength of schedule rank using KRACH:

UML 16
UVM 41

Strength of schedule rank using RPI:

UML 3
UVM 49

But Lowell's the one that's been playing cupcakes. :rolleyes:
 
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Apparently jcarter doesn't realize that Lowell has played 2 games this past weekend, on the road, against a higher ranked team, and ended up with a split that was punctuated by a 6-3 win on the 2nd night. He keeps harping on the lack of scoring and less-than-stellar quality of opponents Lowell has had, by conveniently ignoring those games.
Please tell me the last time jcarter concerned himself with facts. Hint, the year doesn't start with the number '2'
 
Please tell me the last time jcarter concerned himself with facts. Hint, the year doesn't start with the number '2'

I don't know, last year he cited a legit SOS stat as some reason UVM would win. For some reason he's no longer embracing that stat as law this year.
 
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I don't know, last year he cited a legit SOS stat as some reason UVM would win. For some reason he's no longer embracing that stat as law this year.

He'll dismiss it as small sample size.
 
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Apparently jcarter doesn't realize that Lowell has played 2 games this past weekend, on the road, against a higher ranked team, and ended up with a split that was punctuated by a 6-3 win on the 2nd night. He keeps harping on the lack of scoring and less-than-stellar quality of opponents Lowell has had, by conveniently ignoring those games.

No, I'm just not impressed with one game.
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

He'll dismiss it as small sample size.

Ive already addressed it. I do realize you have a hard time with reading and research, but I'm sure you can find it. Here's a hint, check the Lowell season thread...

Still can't figure it out? Fine.

Yes sample size. Anyone with a brain (I can see where you are confused) can see that a team that has played #9, #2,#2, #1,#1, NR. NR. has had a tougher schedule then a team that has played NR, NR, NR, #19, #19, #6, #6.

Yes, polls aren't statistics but just look at some of them. You have teams with a losing record that have a higher RPI then an undefeated team for crying out loud. In fact you have winless teams (CC at 0-8-0) that is ranked higher then undefeated Harvard. That's why I ain't bringing it up.

And last year as noted I was trotting out the SOS at the END of the season.... when it was actually accurate.

Now, On a positive note a win for Vermont would have some tremendous affects with Lowell plummeting and Vermont skyrocketing by beating an over rated #4.
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

Ive already addressed it. I do realize you have a hard time with reading and research, but I'm sure you can find it. Here's a hint, check the Lowell season thread...

Still can't figure it out? Fine.

Yes sample size. Anyone with a brain (I can see where you are confused) can see that a team that has played #9, #2,#2, #1,#1, NR. NR. has had a tougher schedule then a team that has played NR, NR, NR, #19, #19, #6, #6.

Yes, polls aren't statistics but just look at some of them. You have teams with a losing record that have a higher RPI then an undefeated team for crying out loud. In fact you have winless teams (CC at 0-8-0) that is ranked higher then undefeated Harvard. That's why I ain't bringing it up.

And last year as noted I was trotting out the SOS at the END of the season.... when it was actually accurate.

Now, On a positive note a win for Vermont would have some tremendous affects with Lowell plummeting and Vermont skyrocketing by beating an over rated #4.

So you put more belief in subjective numbers that are basically a popularity contest instead of statistics? :rolleyes:

"undefeated Harvard" - now that made me chuckle. They've played 2 games.
 
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So you put more belief in subjective numbers that are basically a popularity contest instead of statistics? :rolleyes:

Nope but I don't put much belief in statistics when they aren't accurate either due to extreme fluctuations and small sample size. Actually year what you said. When statistics are clearly wonky I believe subjective numbers more. You know the UML famous eyeball test.


"undefeated Harvard" - now that made me chuckle. They've played 2 games.

See what I mean when I say I don't put much faith in statistics when the sample size is low. You get 0-8-0 CC having a higher RPI then 2-0-0 Harvard. When situations like this occur you have to use the old eyeball test.
 
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Nope but I don't put much belief in statistics when they aren't accurate either due to extreme fluctuations and small sample size. Actually year what you said. When statistics are clearly wonky I believe subjective numbers more. You know the UML famous eyeball test.

Translation: "I use statistics that only fit my argument. When they don't, then obviously there's something wrong with the numbers."
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

Translation: "I use statistics that only fit my argument. When they don't, then obviously there's something wrong with the numbers."

Not always...

For example, you don't here me say 4 out of 5 Lowell Fans are crackheads and therefore don't listen to anything they say. See, sometimes I leave out useful statistics.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
For example, you don't here me say

jcarter7669 said:
win for Vermont would have some tremendous affects

jcarter7669 said:
Actually year what you said.

It's hard to take someone seriously that has this much trouble with the English language. Oh, who am I kidding? Nobody takes this guy seriously, not even Vermont fans.
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

Not always...

For example, you don't here me say 4 out of 5 Lowell Fans are crackheads and therefore don't listen to anything they say. See, sometimes I leave out useful statistics.

So J, what should we expect from the Catamounts this weekend? Looking at the UVM thread it appears many are unhappy with the play of the defensemen. I assume the Hawks will see Santaguida both nights. It looks like J. Privitera is on a roll and Mario is always dangerous. Any one else playing well?

For Lowell I think most fans are pretty happy with the goaltending and defensive play. Boyle has been solid and should play both nights. The offensive on the other hand has struggled a bit finding the back of the net. It was nice to finally see some goals against UMD Saturday night.

It should be a fun weekend. I'm looking forward to the trip to Burlington and two hard fought games.
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

Game 1 Prediction: Despite the fact that the Cats have only won 2 games at home in their last 15 tries, the green shirted, green toothed, green bud packing, green with envy Vermont faithful fill Gutterson on Friday night and the place is rocking. Cats come out flying and Lowell uncharacteristically takes 3 bad penalties with the Cats converting on the last one for their first power play goal in 10 tries. Vermont is up 1-0 at the break. Lowell outshoots them 12-2 in the second and has a goal disallowed but ties it up on a shot from the top of the circle that sails way over Santa’s head and ricochets in off the crossbar. 1-1 at break. Both teams play it conservatively in the 3rd until Vermont gets a 2-1 breakaway with 3 minutes left on a sloppy Lowell line change and Lowell gets called for a hooking penalty which the crowd thinks should have been a penalty shot. Vermont peppers Boyle with shots but Lowell intercepts a soft pass along the blue line with 10 seconds left in the power play and goes ahead on a breakaway with their first shorthanded goal of the season. Vermont pulls their goalie with 1 minute left and Lowell gets the empty netter for a 3-1 win. Fans stream out in silence trying to remember which team they played last February when they got their last home win and Cats give a half hearted salute to an empty house.
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

So J, what should we expect from the Catamounts this weekend? Looking at the UVM thread it appears many are unhappy with the play of the defensemen. I assume the Hawks will see Santaguida both nights. It looks like J. Privitera is on a roll and Mario is always dangerous. Any one else playing well?

For Lowell I think most fans are pretty happy with the goaltending and defensive play. Boyle has been solid and should play both nights. The offensive on the other hand has struggled a bit finding the back of the net. It was nice to finally see some goals against UMD Saturday night.

It should be a fun weekend. I'm looking forward to the trip to Burlington and two hard fought games.


I would say seeing Santa in net both nights is 99% or greater. There's been too much line shuffling for my liking but certainly J Priv and Mario are going to get points. Petruzzelli has been good lately and can score. Coughlin,a frosh, is good and has been getting some points, albeit he is benefiting from playing a lot of minutes with Mario. A couple of the other Frosh can be dangerous at times, Puffer and O'neil are playing well, but hit or miss scoring wise. They have created some good chances though. Our Offensive is on the younger side, but there is some good forwards in the group. I'd say the future looks bright for UVM offensively, which is almost never the case.

The D is definitely costing us games right now. Too many guys getting burned, no one clearing pucks, no one making it hard for the other teams forwards in front of the net. It's not rampant throughout the game, but there are several breakdowns a game and good teams like ND and UNO really took advantage of those breakdowns. This is perhaps the biggest surprise for me, this it typically and should be a strong suit for the Cats, but it hasn't been thus far. The saving grace, defense is Sneddon's strength and I am confident he will get the guys where they need to be. The question is when... if they were playing up to par that last few weeks There would be 1-2 more in the wins column.

Santa's been good, not great. But, when the other team is getting plenty of cross ice passes through the slot and 4-5 tries at rebounds it's hard to be great. He's prone to a softy here and there, but they are relatively rare.

Lowell has a good team and are clearly playing well. The weekend will really come down to, IMO, how the UVM defense plays. If they have fixed something over the week I can see them holding Lowell to 1-2 goals per game. If I had to say there was a weakness with Lowell it be Offense, but that's from looking at box scores without first hand knowledge. Offensively I see UVM putting up 2-3 GPG. So basically if the UVM D is playing well they have a very good chance of taking some points. If the D continues to play as they have been UML will be putting up 3+GPG and UVM will be lucky to take some points.

If I were a betting man, and I am... the smart money would be a split. Maybe 50% split, 35% Lowell sweep, 15% UVM sweep. At least that is my serious take on it.

My flaming stance is that UVM sweeps and it's not even close. ScottK goes through at least two boxes of tissues and him and PuckHawk spend an uncomfortable moment consoling each other.
 
I would say seeing Santa in net both nights is 99% or greater. There's been too much line shuffling for my liking but certainly J Priv and Mario are going to get points. Petruzzelli has been good lately and can score. Coughlin,a frosh, is good and has been getting some points, albeit he is benefiting from playing a lot of minutes with Mario. A couple of the other Frosh can be dangerous at times, Puffer and O'neil are playing well, but hit or miss scoring wise. They have created some good chances though. Our Offensive is on the younger side, but there is some good forwards in the group. I'd say the future looks bright for UVM offensively, which is almost never the case.

The D is definitely costing us games right now. Too many guys getting burned, no one clearing pucks, no one making it hard for the other teams forwards in front of the net. It's not rampant throughout the game, but there are several breakdowns a game and good teams like ND and UNO really took advantage of those breakdowns. This is perhaps the biggest surprise for me, this it typically and should be a strong suit for the Cats, but it hasn't been thus far. The saving grace, defense is Sneddon's strength and I am confident he will get the guys where they need to be. The question is when... if they were playing up to par that last few weeks There would be 1-2 more in the wins column.

Santa's been good, not great. But, when the other team is getting plenty of cross ice passes through the slot and 4-5 tries at rebounds it's hard to be great. He's prone to a softy here and there, but they are relatively rare.

Lowell has a good team and are clearly playing well. The weekend will really come down to, IMO, how the UVM defense plays. If they have fixed something over the week I can see them holding Lowell to 1-2 goals per game. If I had to say there was a weakness with Lowell it be Offense, but that's from looking at box scores without first hand knowledge. Offensively I see UVM putting up 2-3 GPG. So basically if the UVM D is playing well they have a very good chance of taking some points. If the D continues to play as they have been UML will be putting up 3+GPG and UVM will be lucky to take some points.

If I were a betting man, and I am... the smart money would be a split. Maybe 50% split, 35% Lowell sweep, 15% UVM sweep. At least that is my serious take on it.

My flaming stance is that UVM sweeps and it's not even close. ScottK goes through at least two boxes of tissues and him and PuckHawk spend an uncomfortable moment consoling each other.
This is an excellent post and an accurate summary of where things currently stand for the Cats! Good job. I'd be happy with a split, but can also see us losing both based on our performances against UNO and ND (and NU). If we split, I hope we get the win Friday so I can enjoy Saturday. :-) Don't see us sweeping, but would certainly take it if we did.
 
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My flaming stance is that UVM sweeps and it's not even close. ScottK goes through at least two boxes of tissues and him and PuckHawk spend an uncomfortable moment consoling each other.

I'm going to need consoling after this weekend, when Lowell drops and UVM jumps in the SOS due to a Lowell sweep. Can't wait to see how much sweeping you guys hurts us in the RPI.

In all seriousness, at the start of the season I called this a split, and still don't really see it going any other way. I do think there is a decent chance that we see Cleary for one of the two nights, hopefully just to see how he handles a quality opponent (and not because Boyle needs to get pulled).

3-2 UVM Friday, 5-1 Lowell Saturday.
 
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If they have fixed something over the week I can see them holding Lowell to 1-2 goals per game. If I had to say there was a weakness with Lowell it be Offense, but that's from looking at box scores without first hand knowledge.
That's the strange part. The expectation was the offense would be fine with so much of last year's production returning, but the back end was going to be a question mark. Outside of one game where the offense finally found something, it's been the opposite completely for Lowell.
 
Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

I would say seeing Santa in net both nights is 99% or greater. There's been too much line shuffling for my liking but certainly J Priv and Mario are going to get points. Petruzzelli has been good lately and can score. Coughlin,a frosh, is good and has been getting some points, albeit he is benefiting from playing a lot of minutes with Mario. A couple of the other Frosh can be dangerous at times, Puffer and O'neil are playing well, but hit or miss scoring wise. They have created some good chances though. Our Offensive is on the younger side, but there is some good forwards in the group. I'd say the future looks bright for UVM offensively, which is almost never the case.

The D is definitely costing us games right now. Too many guys getting burned, no one clearing pucks, no one making it hard for the other teams forwards in front of the net. It's not rampant throughout the game, but there are several breakdowns a game and good teams like ND and UNO really took advantage of those breakdowns. This is perhaps the biggest surprise for me, this it typically and should be a strong suit for the Cats, but it hasn't been thus far. The saving grace, defense is Sneddon's strength and I am confident he will get the guys where they need to be. The question is when... if they were playing up to par that last few weeks There would be 1-2 more in the wins column.

Santa's been good, not great. But, when the other team is getting plenty of cross ice passes through the slot and 4-5 tries at rebounds it's hard to be great. He's prone to a softy here and there, but they are relatively rare.

Lowell has a good team and are clearly playing well. The weekend will really come down to, IMO, how the UVM defense plays. If they have fixed something over the week I can see them holding Lowell to 1-2 goals per game. If I had to say there was a weakness with Lowell it be Offense, but that's from looking at box scores without first hand knowledge. Offensively I see UVM putting up 2-3 GPG. So basically if the UVM D is playing well they have a very good chance of taking some points. If the D continues to play as they have been UML will be putting up 3+GPG and UVM will be lucky to take some points.

If I were a betting man, and I am... the smart money would be a split. Maybe 50% split, 35% Lowell sweep, 15% UVM sweep. At least that is my serious take on it.

My flaming stance is that UVM sweeps and it's not even close. ScottK goes through at least two boxes of tissues and him and PuckHawk spend an uncomfortable moment consoling each other.


I also think this is about spot on.
The d has been an unexpected weakness for UVM standards.
While the new freshman forwards have been in/out of the lineup a bit, they show good skills and promise. (not many points, though....)
The 'right' line combinations will emerge and the d will be better.
60% split
30% UVM sweep
10% UML sweep

Go Cats Go!
 
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Lowell outshoots them 12-2 in the second and has a goal disallowed but ties it up on a shot from the top of the circle that sails way over Santa’s head and ricochets in off the crossbar. 1-1 at break.

I really loved that line.

Have to agree with JCarter's assessment... If the UVM D can't put out a better effort than we've seen this season, it could be a tough weekend.

Enough of the niceties though! I respect the UML dedication to improving the community and sponsoring the rehab of two long term "fans". Stick to weed like we do ladies!

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Re: UML Riverhawks @ UVM Catamounts: Because Monty said so...

I really loved that line.

Have to agree with JCarter's assessment... If the UVM D can't put out a better effort than we've seen this season, it could be a tough weekend.

Enough of the niceties though! I respect the UML dedication to improving the community and sponsoring the rehab of two long term "fans". Stick to weed like we do ladies!

*******<a href='http://postimg.org/image/eisz69a15/full/' target='_blank'><img src='http://s28.postimg.org/eisz69a19/UML_Fan_of_the_year.png' border='0' alt="UML Fan of the year" /></a><br /><a target='_blank' href='http://postimage.org/'>images</a><br /><br />********


How did you get an image in.... whenever I try to do that it just displays the link. I miss the days of posting memes
 
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