UMass is NewMass

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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According to CHN, "I asked them to take a look at it," Carle said. "I was asked if I wanted to use my challenge and I chose not to." I wonder if the NCAA will review the play and impose sanctions on Trevigno?

I'd be very surprised.

This one was egregious though. Carle should have challenged it if that's the case as he is quoted above.

 

[Split-N]

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According to CHN, "I asked them to take a look at it," Carle said. "I was asked if I wanted to use my challenge and I chose not to..."

I'm not a coach but I can't fathom why he wouldn't use his challenge at that point with the game clearly on the line.

 

[HockeyRef]

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I'm not a coach but I can't fathom why he wouldn't use his challenge at that point with the game clearly on the line.

Wow...and that hit was/looked worse than the others. Maybe being 29 on that big stage...anyway...UMass breathed a sigh of relief and the rest is history!

 

[Split-N]

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Wow...and that [third] hit was/looked worse than the others. Maybe being 29 on that big stage...anyway...UMass breathed a sigh of relief and the rest is history!

Totally agree. The first two hits (especially the second) were arguable in that the primary contact was shoulder into the chest and the head contact could have been incidental to the shoulder-on-chest impact. But the third (Trevigno) hit was flagrant and obvious. (There's an old saying in hockey referee circles that when everyone in the building and the people walking by outside know it's a penalty, your arm better be in the air.)

Not a good showing by the WCHA crew for this and other reasons. By contrast, the Atlantic Hockey crew that worked the first game did a nice job, IMO.

 

[joen05]

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Totally agree. The first two hits (especially the second) were arguable in that the primary contact was shoulder into the chest and the head contact could have been incidental to the shoulder-on-chest impact. But the third (Trevigno) hit was flagrant and obvious. (There's an old saying in hockey referee circles that when everyone in the building and the people walking by outside know it's a penalty, your arm better be in the air.)

Not a good showing by the WCHA crew for this and other reasons. By contrast, the Atlantic Hockey crew that worked the first game did a nice job, IMO.

Any chance the NCAA takes a second look at that Trivigno hit? And 100% agree on Carle needing to use his challenge there. I wonder if the refs were not clear to him on what he would be challenging.

 

[chickod]

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Any chance the NCAA takes a second look at that Trivigno hit? And 100% agree on Carle needing to use his challenge there. I wonder if the refs were not clear to him on what he would be challenging.

From what I understand, you present the challenge and it's up to the refs to clarify if you are not allowed to challenge in that situation. In other words, they didn't have to be "clear" to him...he just has to say "It was a direct hit to the head...look at it again." If they can't, then the ref tells him "that's not reviewable."

 

[boblav1]

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I'm not a coach but I can't fathom why he wouldn't use his challenge at that point with the game clearly on the line.

What's the rule on a challenge? Would Denver get a penalty if they challenged and didn't get the call? That's the only reason I can think of for not challenging, although that was a pretty obvious penalty. Was the game tied at that point?

 

[J.D.]

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Didn't agree with the call on Hildenbrand. I never saw direct head contact and at least thought simultaneous body contact. Shouldn't be throwing kids out for hits like that. The one by the Denver player and the one by Trivigno were the obvious ones. I am guessing what happened with Trivigno is no ref saw it clearly so in that case it has to be challenged? If so, big rookie mistake from Carle there. Could easily have been the difference between winning and losing.

 

[J.D.]

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Oh and does John Micheletto get a ring if UMass wins?

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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I'll be honest the CTH majors that I saw that were called.... I was not a big fan of them (I did miss early parts of the game, I may have missed one). One guy is leaning over looking for a puck in his skates and his head is literally sticking out toward the player making contact.

As with any major, especially if you are reviewing it, you better be 100% sure it's a good call. They were 50/50 calls at best and you give a team a 5 min PP and kick a guy out in FF semifinal. And then go and miss the absolute 100% CTH major.

 

[J.D.]

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One guy is leaning over looking for a puck in his skates and his head is literally sticking out toward the player making contact.

Ya that was the Denver major. I definitely see where you are coming from. I just viewed that one as strictly from a direct head contact angle. That one was clear direct head contact but the question is should there be mitigating factors like the argument you present. I doubt the NCAA wants to get into that gray area with these part time officials so they'll just end up calling that one a major every time regardless of where the guy being hit positioned his head.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Not a good showing by the WCHA crew for this and other reasons. By contrast, the Atlantic Hockey crew that worked the first game did a nice job, IMO.

I thought they let a lot of obstruction go, which really stymied PC at times.

 

[Split-N]

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Any chance the NCAA takes a second look at that Trivigno hit? And 100% agree on Carle needing to use his challenge there. I wonder if the refs were not clear to him on what he would be challenging.

The playing rules have a provision for supplementary discipline that allow the "proper disciplinary authority" to "assess additional suspensions for any offense committed before, during or after a game, independent of whether such offense had been penalized by a referee." For the regular season and league playoffs, the league commissioner or designee is the "proper authority." AFAIK, the Tournament Chair has this authority for NCAA playoffs. Anyway, I would not be shocked if Trivigno ends up being suspended for the championship game.

Didn't agree with the call on Hildenbrand. I never saw direct head contact and at least thought simultaneous body contact. Shouldn't be throwing kids out for hits like that....I am guessing what happened with Trivigno is no ref saw it clearly so in that case it has to be challenged? If so, big rookie mistake from Carle there. Could easily have been the difference between winning and losing.

+1 re comment on the Hildenbrand penalty. The head contact was incidental to the primary shoulder-into-chest contact and was exacerbated by the fact that the kid who got hit had his head down and was shorter than Hildenbrand. In effect, the bigger guy who made the hit got penalized because he was taller than the smaller guy who took the hit. That kind of situation is not the intent of the head contact rule (IMO).

And I'd be interested in knowing exactly what the dialog was between the referee and Carle. It's uncharacteristic of a coach at this level to make a mistake like this unless he was acting on inaccurate information.

 

[turk181]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UMass' Bobby Trivigno will be suspended for the national championship game for a hit to the head in the semis. It was uncalled during the game. Denver coach David Carle questioned it, but the officials asked if he wanted to use his challenge to have them check, and he said no.</p>— College Hockey News (@chnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/chnews/status/1116751804270821384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[BlackI]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UMass' Bobby Trivigno will be suspended for the national championship game for a hit to the head in the semis. It was uncalled during the game. Denver coach David Carle questioned it, but the officials asked if he wanted to use his challenge to have them check, and he said no.</p>— College Hockey News (@chnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/chnews/status/1116751804270821384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, it should have been called. Deserved penalty in my opinion. Hopefully UMass can overcome loss of one player.

 

[chickod]

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Well, it should have been called. Deserved penalty in my opinion. Hopefully UMass can overcome loss of one player.

Absolutely. Completely unnecessary, especially given the context. What kind of player SEES two previous ejections for the same offense and then deliberately elbows someone directly to the head?

I want to see Hockey East win because I support the league. But I have to say (and I have said this before on multiple occasions) that UMass seems to be overly cocky, which sometimes borders on arrogance. I don't really like to see that.

 

[J.D.]

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UMass' Bobby Trivigno will be suspended for the national championship game for a hit to the head in the semis. It was uncalled during the game. Denver coach David Carle questioned it, but the officials asked if he wanted to use his challenge to have them check, and he said no.</p>— College Hockey News (@chnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/chnews/status/1116751804270821384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sucks for him but this is the right decision.

 

[boblav1]

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And I'd be interested in knowing exactly what the dialog was between the referee and Carle. It's uncharacteristic of a coach at this level to make a mistake like this unless he was acting on inaccurate information.

Coaches are allowed to challenge a variety of game situations, including “infractions that may result in the ejection of a student-athlete” if it has not used its timeout, which Denver hadn’t. If the challenge is unsuccessful, the team loses its timeout.

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Front page article: https://www.uscho.com/2019/04/12/nc...is-ineligible-for-national-championship-game/

 

[J.D.]

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Front page article: https://www.uscho.com/2019/04/12/nc...is-ineligible-for-national-championship-game/

And the incident was late in the 3rd, prior to OT, correct? Even more reason to burn your timeout because with the new rule you get a timeout back for overtime.

 

[boblav1]

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And the incident was late in the 3rd, prior to OT, correct? Even more reason to burn your timeout because with the new rule you get a timeout back for overtime.

Agree, not sure what was said to Carle but it turned out to be a huge mistake on his part for not asking for a challenge.