UMaine Hockey Offseason: Insert Funny Title Here

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You're welcome. I was interested in seeing how closely expenses correlated to finish once you brought it up.

If you wanted averages you could have looked the numbers up on my NCAA Financials workbook (link in my sig).

My workbook has either actual or estimated athletic aid (read the third paragraph of the first post in the NCAA Hockey Financials thread. If you want to compare spending without athletic aid you can subtract the actual and estimated amounts from total expenses (if you trust my work).

Sean

Is there anything that isn't in your workbook? Tomorrow's Powerball numbers?

 

[ticapnews]

Why did you lose on home ice to such an inferior team?

Was part of your calculations, I am sure. Got math behind that?

Sean's one of the good ones. No need to taunt him. Now mookie on the other hand...

 

[ticapnews]

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Some memories from 25 years ago today (and yesterday)

Jim Montgomery was also a finalist for the 1993 Hobey Baker Award but he believed so strongly that Paul Kariya deserved that award that he made a video of PK's highlights and sent it to the Hobey Baker Committee.

When we won the championship Shawn Walsh's annual salary was $65,000.

Joe Carr's radio call of Montgomery's game winner:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Zpu_f7aD7bc

The game story and box score posted by Ryan Robbins

Team captain Jim Montgomery and freshman phenom Paul Kariya picked it up a notch in the third period to lead the University of Maine Black Bears to a 5-4 NCAA Championship win over the Lake Superior State Lakers. The win gives Maine its first-ever national championship in any sport.

The Black Bears put the ghosts of Final Fours past behind when Jim Montgomery and Paula Kariya teamed up in the third period to score three unanswered goals after Lake Superior had scored three unanswered goals of its own in the second period.

Maine came out of the starting blocks fast when Patrice Tardif scored on assists from Mike Latendresse and Eric Fenton. When Chris Ferraro scored the second goal of the game at the 7:10 mark it looked like Maine was going to control the tempo of the game by keeping the ice open and staying off the boards.

But at the 17:02 mark Lake Superior's Bachusz scored to put the Lakers on the board heading into the first intermission. Lake Superior came out strong in the second period and wore Maine down along boards. For nearly the entire period, Lakers buzzed around the Maine net. As a result, the Lakers rattled off three unanswered goals to take a 4-2 lead into the final period.

Maine team Captain Jim Montgomery and his protege Paul Kariya would have none of Lake Superior's style when the third period opened. Montgomery, who led Maine's comeback against Minnesota at the East regional in Worcester, Mass., last week, scored a hat trick in a span of 4:35, with Kariya assisting on each goal.

With a minute remaining, Lake Superior pulled its goalie and pressed the Maine net, nearly tying the game when a shot deflected off the cross bar.

Montgomery's third goal was his 300th career point and Kariya's assist on that goal was his 100th of the season. Garth Snow, who replaced Mike Dunham in the third period, notched his 66th career
victory, tying Scott King's team record for career victories. The win was head coach Shawn Walsh's 250th.

The loss was Lake Superior's first in three Final Four appearances.

Maine finishes its season with a record of 42-1-2. This season, Maine won the Alaska Fairbanks Tournament, the Great Western Freeze-out, the Cleveland Tournament, the Dexter Hockey Classic, the Hockey East regular season title, the Hockey East tournament title, and now the NCAA Championship.

Jim Montgomery, Paul Kariya, Garth Snow, and Chris Imes were named to the All-Tournament team. Jim Montgomery was named the Most Valuable Player.

Maine's win gives Hockey East its first National Championship.

************************ Scoring Summary

****************** Lake Superior* 1* 3* 0*** 4
****************** Maine********* 2* 0* 3*** 5

FIRST PERIOD - 1. Maine, Tardif (Latendresse, Fenton), 0:28; 2.
Maine, C. Ferraro (P. Ferraro, Imes), 7:10; 3. Lake Superior,
Bachusz (Angelleli, Ness), 17:02
SECOND PERIOD - 4. Lake Superior, Beddoes, 7:01; 5. Lake Superior,
Hendry (Beddoes), 15:46; 6. Lake Superior, Strachan (Miller), 18:42
THIRD PERIOD - 7. Maine, Montgomery (Kariya), 4:19; 8. Maine,
Montgomery (Kariya, Imes), 7:40; 9. Maine, Montgomery (Kariya),
8:54

 

[Fishman'81]

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Coach Gendron had one of the best first seasons as a head coach of a team in Hockey East, fifth out of 25 coaches, but after five seasons his cumulative record is 18th (up from 21st after four seasons). It was also the first time his cumulative winning percentage rose. Sean

Red's first team - arguably his best- was composed 100% of Whitehead recruits...

 

[BlackI]

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More on "25 years later"...

http://www.newscentermaine.com/article/sports/black-bears/42-1-2-25-years-later/97-534461259

 

[BlackI]

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An article by Joe Carr...
http://sportschowdah.bangordailynews.com/2018/04/03/42-1-2-greatness-by-the-numbers/

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Is there anything that isn't in your workbook? Tomorrow's Powerball numbers?

Oddly, I was thinking that I don't have the cost per win in my workbook. I'm not sure why I even thought of it, but I did and I immediately wondered about it. However, with last year's financials now available I think I will work on getting those and updating the workbook to including the niumbers for the 2016-17 season first.

It's likely I do have tomorrow's Powerball numbers in the workbook, but I sure don't know where.

Sean's one of the good ones. No need to taunt him. Now mookie on the other hand...

Thanks for the support, but I don't mind being poked. Heck, sometimes I do the poking.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Red's first team - arguably his best- was composed 100% of Whitehead recruits...

I have been reading the Maine threads the past year or two because both our coaches started at the same time and I find most Maine fans who post are far more rational than a number of the BU fans who post. That said, it's my impression that many Maine posters here seem to think Coach Whitehead lost whatever recruiting edge he had when Coach Standbrook left the Maine coaching staff. I also have the impression that some here think Coach Gendron now getting better recruits than Coach Whitehead got at the end of his tenure. So, why was Coach Gendron's best season to date record wise his first with Coach Whitehead's recruits?

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Some memories from 25 years ago today (and yesterday)

Jim Montgomery was also a finalist for the 1993 Hobey Baker Award but he believed so strongly that Paul Kariya deserved that award that he made a video of PK's highlights and sent it to the Hobey Baker Committee.

When we won the championship Shawn Walsh's annual salary was $65,000.

Joe Carr's radio call of Montgomery's game winner:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Zpu_f7aD7bc

The game story and box score posted by Ryan Robbins

I was there and despite being disappointed BU had lost to Lake Superior it was a great championship game and Montgomery's third period play was outstanding. I was also there for Maine's only loss of the season, which had a great second half of the game, but this time by Maine's opponent.

Sean

 

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I was there and despite being disappointed BU had lost to Lake Superior it was a great championship game and Montgomery's third period play was outstanding. I was also there for Maine's only loss of the season, which had a great second half of the game, but this time by Maine's opponent.

Sean

Even though Jim will still deny it, I think that "1" was the fuel we needed. I'll never forget the ride from the Sonesta to Boston Garden for the Hockey East Championship. It was a loose atmosphere, the guys were joking around, it was very relaxed. Suddenly Shawn stood and popped a video in and said, "All eyes up here." He didn't say another word; just pressed play on the VCR. It was a replay of all seven goals BU scored that night and the celebration that followed.

There wasn't another word spoken on the bus, all the way to the locker room. That team was all business.

 

[dogtagger]

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So, why was Coach Gendron's best season to date record wise his first with Coach Whitehead's recruits?

Sean

Unless I'm mistaken the 2017-2018 season was Maine's best since 2011-12 season when the team went 23-3-14 (W-T-L).

I think for the first couple of years there were slim pickins for the recruits Gendron wanted, i.e. big power guys. I think Maine has about the biggest roster in the NCAAs at the moment. That will change in the next couple of years though with several smaller/faster recruits coming which is a good thing IMO.

 

[ticapnews]

Unless I'm mistaken the 2017-2018 season was Maine's best since 2011-12 season when the team went 23-3-14 (W-T-L).

The 2013-14 team was 18-15-4.

 

[dogtagger]

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The 2013-14 team was 18-15-4.

Ok thanks, I was looking at http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?year0=2012&team=606 which shows the 2013-14 team going 16-15-4 (as does the HE website http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/men/standings-archive.php#undefined4)

 

[ticapnews]

Ok thanks, I was looking at http://www.eliteprospects.com/team.php?year0=2012&team=606 which shows the 2013-14 team going 16-15-4 (as does the HE website http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/men/standings-archive.php#undefined4)

Now I remember this problem from when I was researching Red's record at Maine. The UM schedule page incorrectly credits two wins in exhibition games to the overall W-L record. I think the discrepancy comes from the fact Maine played three exhibitions against Canadian teams because the team only had 32 countable games on the schedule. The NCAA allows one exhibition but any others are counted against your 34 game allotment. Thus those exhibitions counted in that regard, but were still exhibitions that should not be counted in the record. So the official record would be 16-15-4 not 18-15-4 as it says on the website.

Tl;dr
The Maine website is wrong.

 

[BoSox3066]

I have been reading the Maine threads the past year or two because both our coaches started at the same time and I find most Maine fans who post are far more rational than a number of the BU fans who post. That said, it's my impression that many Maine posters here seem to think Coach Whitehead lost whatever recruiting edge he had when Coach Standbrook left the Maine coaching staff. I also have the impression that some here think Coach Gendron now getting better recruits than Coach Whitehead got at the end of his tenure. So, why was Coach Gendron's best season to date record wise his first with Coach Whitehead's recruits?

Sean

I think Red got a change bounce the first year. Year 2 still having two NHL regulars in Devin Shore and Ben Hutton Red’s team stunk. That defies logic.

Notion that Red’s recruits are now better than Whiteheads may be a, pardon me, red herring. There’s no one here as good as Shore, Hutton, Nyquist. There may be more depth. Some may develop into say a Flynn or Abbott, who weren’t obviously superstars as freshmen, but we’ll see.

 

[mickeyj65]

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I think Red got a change bounce the first year. Year 2 still having two NHL regulars in Devin Shore and Ben Hutton Red’s team stunk. That defies logic.

Notion that Red’s recruits are now better than Whiteheads may be a, pardon me, red herring. There’s no one here as good as Shore, Hutton, Nyquist. There may be more depth. Some may develop into say a Flynn or Abbott, who weren’t obviously superstars as freshmen, but we’ll see.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I see Tralmaks being better than Nyquist senior year or much sooner, if he can stay positive and becomes a team leader with the right supporting cast.

 

[walrus]

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I think Red got a change bounce the first year. Year 2 still having two NHL regulars in Devin Shore and Ben Hutton Red’s team stunk. That defies logic.
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2 guys don't make a hockey team. I'm not defending Red here but I don't see how it defies logic.

I don't see anyone close to Gustav on this team. Tralmaks had his moments and will be good if he continues to work hard but better than a NHLer, I don't see it

 

[BlackI]

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2 guys don't make a hockey team. I'm not defending Red here but I don't see how it defies logic.

I don't see anyone close to Gustav on this team. Tralmaks had his moments and will be good if he continues to work hard but better than a NHLer, I don't see it

Seems like you are very defending Red and are thrilled with his coaching.

Just kidding, and agree with first point. Second point is sort of difficult because of the differences in their style of play. When I think of Nyquist I think of a little undersized, fast, creative, great nifty stick skills, playmaker... When I watch Tralmaks I see more of a prototypical NHL frame where at NCAA level he is considered a power forward, go to the net, battle in front, has a nice wrister, can grind down low, strong on the puck hard to get him off it, can deliver hits...

I am not sure they are the same player. And my guess is both will be long term NHLers.

But Nyquist is the best forward we've seen since when he came into Maine only considering his play first year and second year compared to current first and second year players at Maine now. I think there are a few great forwards on the team now and a couple more coming in next season. I think next year you will see half the number of guys on the forward lines are great forwards. That will make the offense even stronger next season.

So I hope the defense makes strides being a year older. And that a couple new defensemen play solid in their own end in front of Swayman.

That seems to project to a very good Maine team next season where they get up over the 20 win bar.

 

[NorthMike]

Even though Jim will still deny it, I think that "1" was the fuel we needed. I'll never forget the ride from the Sonesta to Boston Garden for the Hockey East Championship. It was a loose atmosphere, the guys were joking around, it was very relaxed. Suddenly Shawn stood and popped a video in and said, "All eyes up here." He didn't say another word; just pressed play on the VCR. It was a replay of all seven goals BU scored that night and the celebration that followed.

There wasn't another word spoken on the bus, all the way to the locker room. That team was all business.

You know that move by walsh was a great motivation by the coach. Something Herb Brooks would have done. Great coaches are also great motivators.

I cant recall if that was in the out of the woods documentary.

 

[walrus]

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You know that move by walsh was a great motivation by the coach. Something Herb Brooks would have done. Great coaches are also great motivators.

I cant recall if that was in the out of the woods documentary.

Pretty sure it was in out of the woods

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