UMaine Hockey Offseason: Insert Funny Title Here

[BBDiehard14]

Jeremy Swayman is forgoing his remaining three years of eligibility and going pro.[/QUOTE


April Fools Joke?

One Facebooker wrote the Pats traded for OBJ

 

[Sean Pickett]

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I posted over in the Hockey East: A New Big 4? thread that I would revisit the thread and that I had compiled every Hockey East team's overall, regular season, league, non-conference, HEA tournament and NCAA tournament records for each season they have been in Hockey East into a workbook. I further compiled standings for the past 5, 10 and all seasons for each team in each category, as well as a combined HEA and NCAA postseason records and I compiled records of every Hockey East Coach that took over after the league formed (i.e., Coaches Ceglarski (BC), Parker (BU), Riley (UL), Anderson (MC), Holt (UNH), Flaman (NU) and Sterling (PC) are not included) through their first 8 seasons (if they lasted that long).

I also want to ammend my last statement about NCAA odds. What are even the odds this team makes the Garden in the next 3 years? 35 percent ish? Its been 6 years already. Has to be the longest in Maine history.

Regarding Maine not making the Hockey East semifinals, yes the six year drought is the longest in the team's history, double the next longest drought (2007-2009).

I do realize that people want to avoid another so-called "re-build", but the fact of the matter is that every single year of Red's tenure has looked exactly like a rebuild to me, if not -more accurately- a regression as often as not.

Coach Gendron had one of the best first seasons as a head coach of a team in Hockey East, fifth out of 25 coaches, but after five seasons his cumulative record is 18th (up from 21st after four seasons). It was also the first time his cumulative winning percentage rose.

Sean

 

[northeastern]

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off topic a bit.. did admin ban Black1? He went a bit over the top with all the threads last night.. & the new ones he started this morning.. but nothing malicious, was trying hard for april fools.
He's quite funny. Anyway, hope he is allowed back.. harmless really. And a lot of energy for Maine hockey.
carry on..

 

[ticapnews]

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off topic a bit.. did admin ban Black1? He went a bit over the top with all the threads last night.. & the new ones he started this morning.. but nothing malicious, was trying hard for april fools.
He's quite funny. Anyway, hope he is allowed back.. harmless really. And a lot of energy for Maine hockey.
carry on..

If he were banned or suspended his title wouldn't be Registered User, it would change accordingly. He just hasn't posted since yesterday morning.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Location matters less than money. Maine may outspend Tech, but I'd wager Tech's spend on hockey is closer to the top of its conference (Minnesota State? Probably the Alaskas on pure dollars but that's all travel) than Maine's hockey spending is to BU/BC/PC/NU. Yes there will be year to year anomalies, but I bet if you made a chart ranking each conference annually by spending and one each year by conference standings, they'd be pretty similar. Spend more money, get better results.

Since I already had each school's reported hockey expenses (except Army) from 2010 through 2016 I created a workbook with each conference's team's expenses vs league finishes for those seasons. There really isn't a lot of correlation between expenses and league finish.

Sean

 

[AMC]

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Since I already had each school's reported hockey expenses (except Army) from 2010 through 2016 I created a workbook with each conference's team's expenses vs league finishes for those seasons. There really isn't a lot of correlation between expenses and league finish.

Sean

This is awesome, thank you, but I'm not sure I really agree with the conclusion. I am going to play with this a lot. My early observations are that UMass gets a crappy bang for its buck, and that PC's trip into the top half of the league coincided pretty closely to it upping its spending.

 

[AMC]

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So this is quick and dirty, but by average spend over the seven years (only teams that were in HE the whole time):

1. BC
2. BU
3. PC
4. UNH
5. Northeastern
6. UMA
7. UML
8. Maine
9. Vermont
10. Merrimack

And by average finish:

1. BC
2. BU
3. UML
4. UNH
5. PC
6. Maine
7. Northeastern
8. Merrimack
9. UVM
10. UMA

UMA needs to get better at spending money, I guess. UML gets great bang for the buck. 4 of the top 5 are the same (BC/BU/PC/UNH).

 

[ticapnews]

So this is quick and dirty, but by average spend over the seven years (only teams that were in HE the whole time):

1. BC
2. BU
3. PC
4. UNH
5. Northeastern
6. UMA
7. UML
8. Maine
9. Vermont
10. Merrimack

And by average finish:

1. BC
2. BU
3. UML
4. UNH
5. PC
6. Maine
7. Northeastern
8. Merrimack
9. UVM
10. UMA

UMA needs to get better at spending money, I guess. UML gets great bang for the buck. 4 of the top 5 are the same (BC/BU/PC/UNH).

To make that meaningful you'd have to subtract scholarship funds. A free ride at BC or BU costs more than at a state school. That would give a more accurate accounting of each school's true expenses for ice hockey.

 

[AMC]

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To make that meaningful you'd have to subtract scholarship funds. A free ride at BC or BU costs more than at a state school. That would give a more accurate accounting of each school's true expenses for ice hockey.

That is true. The accounting standards certainly vary widely, as well. My math is at work, I think BC's average spend was double Maine's (roughly). Whether 20 scholarships accounts for $2M, I can't tell you.

 

[BlackI]

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off topic a bit.. did admin ban Black1? He went a bit over the top with all the threads last night.. & the new ones he started this morning.. but nothing malicious, was trying hard for april fools.
He's quite funny. Anyway, hope he is allowed back.. harmless really. And a lot of energy for Maine hockey.
carry on..

I don't think they banned me yet. I made jokes for a purpose but didn't want to ruin Easter for folks. So the ones that saw early am got a chuckle. it was a joke with an expiration date so to speak. I deleted after that and had busy easter myself.

No worries, I promise to be back to my goofy "loveable" self.

Or else not. news is slow this time of the year.

 

[BlackI]

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That is true. The accounting standards certainly vary widely, as well. My math is at work, I think BC's average spend was double Maine's (roughly). Whether 20 scholarships accounts for $2M, I can't tell you.

Did you factor in the fact some coaches can do more than others at the same budget? That is, some coaches are better than others with the budget they have.

 

[BlackI]

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Since I already had each school's reported hockey expenses (except Army) from 2010 through 2016 I created a workbook with each conference's team's expenses vs league finishes for those seasons. There really isn't a lot of correlation between expenses and league finish.

Sean

Probably there is some truth to that. I think good coaching and recruiting from a sell standpoint can trump a budget. But helps having a purse to make up for short comings. Having said this, we have low budget and "substandard" facilities and an unproven coach at NCAA head coach level. Despite our stadium is considered old, I wouldn't change its' structure. Maintenance annually. But it's the best venue in NCAA hockey in my opinion. And the fans can and will make that true. But probably we need to pay more for coaching and recruiting budget. My $0.02.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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This is awesome, thank you, but I'm not sure I really agree with the conclusion. I am going to play with this a lot. My early observations are that UMass gets a crappy bang for its buck, and that PC's trip into the top half of the league coincided pretty closely to it upping its spending.

You're welcome. I was interested in seeing how closely expenses correlated to finish once you brought it up.

So this is quick and dirty, but by average spend over the seven years (only teams that were in HE the whole time)(BC/BU/PC/UNH).

If you wanted averages you could have looked the numbers up on my NCAA Financials workbook (link in my sig).

To make that meaningful you'd have to subtract scholarship funds. A free ride at BC or BU costs more than at a state school. That would give a more accurate accounting of each school's true expenses for ice hockey.

My workbook has either actual or estimated athletic aid (read the third paragraph of the first post in the NCAA Hockey Financials thread. If you want to compare spending without athletic aid you can subtract the actual and estimated amounts from total expenses (if you trust my work).

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

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But it's the best venue in NCAA hockey in my opinion.

Yes, but it's not your opinion that matters, it's the recruits' opinions that matter.

Sean

 

[northeastern]

I don't think they banned me yet. I made jokes for a purpose but didn't want to ruin Easter for folks. So the ones that saw early am got a chuckle. it was a joke with an expiration date so to speak. I deleted after that and had busy easter myself.

No worries, I promise to be back to my goofy "loveable" self.

Or else not. news is slow this time of the year.

glad to hear that. you had a few good ones in there.. can't take ourselves too seriously

 

[BlackI]

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glad to hear that. you had a few good ones in there.. can't take ourselves too seriously

Ayuh!

 

[BlackI]

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Yes, but it's not your opinion that matters, it's the recruits' opinions that matter.

Sean

Right, but my opinion matters too... when it comes to beating BU.

Even if it only mean 0.01% ... it counts...

 

[BlackI]

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Yes, but it's not your opinion that matters, it's the recruits' opinions that matter.

Sean

Why did you lose on home ice to such an inferior team?

Was part of your calculations, I am sure. Got math behind that?

 

[AMC]

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You're welcome. I was interested in seeing how closely expenses correlated to finish once you brought it up.

If you wanted averages you could have looked the numbers up on my NCAA Financials workbook (link in my sig).

My workbook has either actual or estimated athletic aid (read the third paragraph of the first post in the NCAA Hockey Financials thread. If you want to compare spending without athletic aid you can subtract the actual and estimated amounts from total expenses (if you trust my work).

Sean

Aha. Perfect, thanks.

I guess my hypothesis isn't "Look at the 2018 standings and the 2018 spending and it will be 1:1," but more "Look at the standings over a longer period as compared to spending, and it will be largely comparable." I look forward to playing with this.

 

[Sean Pickett]

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Why did you lose on home ice to such an inferior team?

First, I don't believe I have ever called Maine, or any other team, inferior to BU. Second, just because BU has a newer arena that is arguably one of the top arenas in college hockey don't mean they will automatically win every game there. This season they had the fewest wins for a full season and tied for their worst record percentage wise at Agganis, which I was not happy about since I attend every home game. As why BU lost to Maine at Agganis, a number of BU posters on this forum claimed it was the BU coaching. I think the long layoff, 4 weeks (scheduled by Coach Quinn), was a factor, as was Patrick Harper playing, but not being well (it was his last game of the season). That said, Maine also beat BU at Alfond, so I would also say that Maine was not a good matchup with BU this past season.

Sean