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UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Doubtful, considering the hockey program has a $2M budget and only brings in no more than $800K in ticket sales.
Here's a link to the full athletic department athletic statement from the 2012-13 year: http://staticweb.maine.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/TAB-3.1-NCAA-Report-June-30-2013.pdf?565a1d
Compare that to the most recent data, as well as data from other Division I schools: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Doubtful, considering the hockey program has a $2M budget and only brings in no more than $800K in ticket sales.
Here's a link to the full athletic department athletic statement from the 2012-13 year: http://staticweb.maine.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/TAB-3.1-NCAA-Report-June-30-2013.pdf?565a1d
Compare that to the most recent data, as well as data from other Division I schools: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
walrus
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Not sure 2012 2013 is season you want for hockey ticket revenue. Think maybe 2005 2006 would be closer to paying the programs way. Found it strange they show men's, women's bball and football revenue but not hockey.
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Not sure 2012 2013 is season you want for hockey ticket revenue. Think maybe 2005 2006 would be closer to paying the programs way. Found it strange they show men's, women's bball and football revenue but not hockey.
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
That's part of the NCAA reporting criteria. Hockey isn't considered to be a major sport, partially because only ~30 (of 230) Division I public schools have a program.
That's part of the NCAA reporting criteria. Hockey isn't considered to be a major sport, partially because only ~30 (of 230) Division I public schools have a program.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Very sad news. A lot of people put a lot of effort into FOMH and it must be hard for them to stomach today's news.
Did anyone go to the golf tournament today? Any news on the the team?
Very sad news. A lot of people put a lot of effort into FOMH and it must be hard for them to stomach today's news.
Did anyone go to the golf tournament today? Any news on the the team?
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
http://bangordailynews.com/2017/08/...undraising-reducing-need-for-boosters-groups/
http://bangordailynews.com/2017/08/...undraising-reducing-need-for-boosters-groups/
Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
It is TOO BAD, and you can bet they will lose fans and small donors. Sign of the times, I know I won't be donating anymore and my donations or season ticket money won't dent them at all...except it will fill my pockets with only the BAD part of missing the awesome people of FOMH and the die-hard hockey fan>>>Maine one of the better if not the best fan base....and sadly they are going/going........................GONE 4-ever.
walrus
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
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Hockey booster says players won't show up for an all in one event like they would for individual events, Cosgrove confirms it by saying football players didn't show in the numbers of previous years. But somehow it was better.
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Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Yes indeed that was a Laugh....how's inserting foot in mouth....unreal, but then you get the picture.
Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Thanks = Friends of Maine Hockey !!!!
Thanks = Friends of Maine Hockey !!!!
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
But they made an extra $25K!!!!!!!! Of course they'll lose much more than that down the road from decreased donations and attendance, but for the minute look like geniuses. This has been going on for 15 years and is why Maine is where it is. I'd love to know how much they spent on some consultant from away to come up with such a brilliant plan.
I hope some former players or FOMH members start up some sort of 'rebel' friends group to help the team. I would be happy to join and donate.
But they made an extra $25K!!!!!!!! Of course they'll lose much more than that down the road from decreased donations and attendance, but for the minute look like geniuses. This has been going on for 15 years and is why Maine is where it is. I'd love to know how much they spent on some consultant from away to come up with such a brilliant plan.
I hope some former players or FOMH members start up some sort of 'rebel' friends group to help the team. I would be happy to join and donate.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Pat Holway article
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2017/08/college_hockey_provides_stabil.html
Pat Holway article
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2017/08/college_hockey_provides_stabil.html
AMC
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
So, if there were hockey, baseball and football tournaments (I don't think either basketball team or anyone else did a golf tourney), that means those three programs received from $16,000-$25,000 each.
Now, there is one golf tournament to support all 10 programs (combining all the tracks and the two swimmings into one each) that earns (let's be generous) $100,000. I know that the income won't be distributed equally, but that is $10,000 per program.
Is the plan to give the three "big" fundraising programs $25,000 each and the other seven can fight for the scraps? What about the two basketball programs? What do they get? Do the "big five" of baseball, both basketballs, football and hockey each get $20,000 and none to the olympic sports? That seems to be contrary to the point of doing this. But if you divide the pie any smaller, you are raising less money for the sports that already had golf tournaments.
I really don't get it.
So, if there were hockey, baseball and football tournaments (I don't think either basketball team or anyone else did a golf tourney), that means those three programs received from $16,000-$25,000 each.
Now, there is one golf tournament to support all 10 programs (combining all the tracks and the two swimmings into one each) that earns (let's be generous) $100,000. I know that the income won't be distributed equally, but that is $10,000 per program.
Is the plan to give the three "big" fundraising programs $25,000 each and the other seven can fight for the scraps? What about the two basketball programs? What do they get? Do the "big five" of baseball, both basketballs, football and hockey each get $20,000 and none to the olympic sports? That seems to be contrary to the point of doing this. But if you divide the pie any smaller, you are raising less money for the sports that already had golf tournaments.
I really don't get it.
AMC
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
I think if there is one thing that the UMaine athletic department has proven in the last 10-15 years is that trying to run the department like a "big time" program will lead to lurching from abject failure to abject failure.
This isn't a big time athletic department. This is barely a division one athletic program. It's a family business, it isn't Wal-Mart. One size fits all won't work.
Heck the only program winning recently is football, and they play with an enormous chip on their shoulder about being overlooked by the bigger schools.
I think if there is one thing that the UMaine athletic department has proven in the last 10-15 years is that trying to run the department like a "big time" program will lead to lurching from abject failure to abject failure.
This isn't a big time athletic department. This is barely a division one athletic program. It's a family business, it isn't Wal-Mart. One size fits all won't work.
Heck the only program winning recently is football, and they play with an enormous chip on their shoulder about being overlooked by the bigger schools.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Couldn't agree more with this whole post. They need people from Maine running the department. I've said this for awhile, but more than anything else the athletic department needs fans more than money right now. They have a $10MM plus budget and an extra $25K isn't going to change very much. The benefit of the old golf tournaments was it reunited a lot of alumni, fans, and coaches for a day and was a fun day out. It also gave the current players a chance to get to know alumni and more about the program's past. How much money they made was secondary.
I've hoped for a long time that eventually things would start to go the other way but just doesn't seem very likely. It was encouraging last year when they lowered a lot of ticket prices and now they've done this.
This is a very big year for Red and the program overall. I am sure that a fair number of people won't be attending because of the changes. If they win it certainly will encourage more people to go, but if not the place is really going to look empty. I can't remember another year where three or four weeks before school starts we had so little information on what the roster was going to look like. I think Maine has to cut somewhere from four to six players based on what is out there right now. No way you can have a roster with 33 guys on it.
Couldn't agree more with this whole post. They need people from Maine running the department. I've said this for awhile, but more than anything else the athletic department needs fans more than money right now. They have a $10MM plus budget and an extra $25K isn't going to change very much. The benefit of the old golf tournaments was it reunited a lot of alumni, fans, and coaches for a day and was a fun day out. It also gave the current players a chance to get to know alumni and more about the program's past. How much money they made was secondary.
I've hoped for a long time that eventually things would start to go the other way but just doesn't seem very likely. It was encouraging last year when they lowered a lot of ticket prices and now they've done this.
This is a very big year for Red and the program overall. I am sure that a fair number of people won't be attending because of the changes. If they win it certainly will encourage more people to go, but if not the place is really going to look empty. I can't remember another year where three or four weeks before school starts we had so little information on what the roster was going to look like. I think Maine has to cut somewhere from four to six players based on what is out there right now. No way you can have a roster with 33 guys on it.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Exactly my experience and my sentiment. Well said. With the consolidation of friends groups; I submit that all programs will suffer. Not just from a monetary point of view but from connecting with fans of individual sports.
Exactly my experience and my sentiment. Well said. With the consolidation of friends groups; I submit that all programs will suffer. Not just from a monetary point of view but from connecting with fans of individual sports.
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
What should be noted is that all gifts to UMaine Athletics (general or specific sport) are now matched by the Alfond Foundation. Previously, that matching program was exclusive to Football through the Alfond Challenge.
What should be noted is that all gifts to UMaine Athletics (general or specific sport) are now matched by the Alfond Foundation. Previously, that matching program was exclusive to Football through the Alfond Challenge.
GoBlackBears
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Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Will there be a Center Ice Club for Hockey or is that gone as well?
Will there be a Center Ice Club for Hockey or is that gone as well?
Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017
Good point. If money is matched dollar for dollar then it might just generate more money for all sports.
Good point. If money is matched dollar for dollar then it might just generate more money for all sports.
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