UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

[BBDiehard14]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

According to Jeff Cox, Stephen Cochrane is leaving. He just didn't have the speed to compete at this level. Hoglund apparently on his way out as well.....

 

[walrus]

According to Jeff Cox, Stephen Cochrane is leaving. He just didn't have the speed to compete at this level. Hoglund apparently on his way out as well.....

The funny part is Cochrane played quite a few games

 

[Biddco]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Getting off topic, but here are the total compensations I have from NCAA reports:
Hockey East (6 of 6 public schools)
UML - Coach Bazin, $489,315 (2016)
UNH- Coach Umile, $457,797 (2016)
Vermont - Coach Sneddon, $336,811 (2014)
Maine - Coach Gendron, $330,872 (includes $5,000 from third parties)(2016)
UMass - Coach Micheletto, $303,983 (2016)
UConn - Coach Cavanaugh, $296,599 (2016)

Big Ten (5 of 6 public schools)
Minnesota - Coach Lucia, $837,644 (2016)
Michigan - Coach Berenson, $527,394 (2015)
Wisconsin - Coach Eaves, $471,985 (2016)
MSU - Coach Anastos, $433,121 (2015)
Ohio State - Coach Rohlik, $364,048 (2016)

NCHC (4 of 8 public schools)
WMU- Coach Murray, $681,838 (2016)
Miami - Coach Blasi, $491,535 (2016)
UND - Coach Berry, $474,504 (2016)
Omaha - Coach Blais, $371,355 (2014)

WCHA (6 of 10 public schools)
Michigan Tech - Coach Pearson, $441,033 (2016)
Alaska-Anchorage, Coach Thomas, $258,251 (2014)
Bowling Green - Coach Bergeron, $250,666 (2016)
Alaska - Coach Ferguson, $227,621 (2014)
Bemidji State - Coach Serratore, $210,163 (2015)
Lake Superior - Coach Whitten, $172,128 (2015)

Independent (1 of 1 public school)
Arizona State - Coach Powers, $331,862 (2016)

Have you heard anything about possible plans?

Sean

Thank you for this! how did you get all this data? And the data you didn't get? Like Sandelin

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

According to Jeff Cox, Stephen Cochrane is leaving. He just didn't have the speed to compete at this level. Hoglund apparently on his way out as well.....

If Hoglund is indeed not coming back, too bad as he was not used right to begin with (imo) ....he should never been put on the 4th line, he was not that type of player...he was not a checker...he had upside in that he was a north/south player going to the net with playmaking and some scoring in his game...he was more of a 2nd/3rd liner "IF" put in the right situation...which he was not...and he was not shy to throw the body in the corners either to go with taking a hit. But that's to be expected these days with this staff. Do we expect more changes..?

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Thank you for this! how did you get all this data? And the data you didn't get? Like Sandelin

The information is from NCAA Financial reports. I'm hoping to obtain reports from the rest of the public schools as I'm working on compiling the information on hockey revenues and expenses.

Sean

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Timmy's 3 wouldn't make the 4th line on either DU or umd

I disagree. If you review Tim's rosters, he had at least some top-end talent most every year, and Red has recruited nobody cut from the same cloth.

Bring back TIMMAY!!!!

 

[walrus]

I disagree. If you review Tim's rosters, he had at least some top-end talent most every year, and Red has recruited nobody cut from the same cloth.

Bring back TIMMAY!!!!

I'm talking about this year's 3. Both of those teams play physical d, DU not as much as UMD. Timmy's teams after grant never touched anyone or they were benched

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

I disagree. If you review Tim's rosters, he had at least some top-end talent most every year, and Red has recruited nobody cut from the same cloth.

Bring back TIMMAY!!!!

I'm afraid Tim's not walking through the door. Overall, Tim's team's were far better than Gendron's. Gendron's best year was with Tim's players. Tim just won the Elite Eight Championship with a team who had not won the title for 35 years. He is competing with other schools who recruit players from all over the world and he did it in 4 years.

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

I'm afraid Tim's not walking through the door. Overall, Tim's team's were far better than Gendron's. Gendron's best year was with Tim's players. Tim just won the Elite Eight Championship with a team who had not won the title for 35 years. He is competing with other schools who recruit players from all over the world and he did it in 4 years.

Tim is doing a great job at his new school. Maybe he learned something in Orono? Maybe he is at a level he can be successful at? Tims best years in Orono were with Shawns recruits. Orono is in tough shape, the reign of Maine hockey is over, likely forever unless the school makes it so someone can succeed. With the current budget woes, I don't see it happening. Red has one more season before the unrest in Orono becomes really vocal or worse dead silence and the program is really done.

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Tim is doing a great job at his new school. Maybe he learned something in Orono? Maybe he is at a level he can be successful at? Tims best years in Orono were with Shawns recruits. Orono is in tough shape, the reign of Maine hockey is over, likely forever unless the school makes it so someone can succeed. With the current budget woes, I don't see it happening. Red has one more season before the unrest in Orono becomes really vocal or worse dead silence and the program is really done.

TW is in the right place for him...and the Maine Hockey Program picture does not look good now or in the future (sadly)...as you said they need to turn to someone that they will work with and make it worth while...this Athletic Department has to go the way of Merrimack/ Providence/ UMass-Lowell and put someone in charge that KNOWS the way a Hockey Program should be run...the later 3 schools have changed for the better with people in charge that have the hockey sense. Will it happen...???...I don't see it happening soon. And a influx of money would help, but the days of Deep Pocket Donors have gone by the way side...at least towards the hockey program. And even if you have the money, if you have the wrong people in place then your still in trouble. Messy picture to say the least.

 

[BoSox3066]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

The big question will be if Timmy gets a college job after his kids are grown. If he goes somewhere with resources and he does well, we're all going to look like azzholes

 

[walrus]

The big question will be if Timmy gets a college job after his kids are grown. If he goes somewhere with resources and he does well, we're all going to look like azzholes

So Maine should have kept him? Because he is doing well coaching a prep school team.

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

So Maine should have kept him? Because he is doing well coaching a prep school team.

You appear to be demeaning the New England Prep School leagues. Not sure if that is your intent. These schools have elite players that go on to play for division 1 schools. I believe Tim has around 10 of them at Kimball Union. He not only recruited them but is also responsible for fund raising. I think it would be very interesting to see him eventually go on to coach a division 1 college team and be successful.

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

. He not only recruited them but is also responsible for fund raising. l.

He wasn't good at either one at UMaine

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

He wasn't good at either one at UMaine

I think that speaks volumes about Maine......

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

I think that speaks volumes about Maine......

It might as it appears the next coach isn't good at it either. Without a Dale Lick type president its probably going to continue

 

[NorthMike]

He wasn't good at either one at UMaine

My problem with TW was as the years went by he lost any motivation or enthusiasm for the program, he lost control of the program, lost control of the players, the team sort of did what they wanted, lost team discipline, and worse of all lost Grant. Ill never understand the Grant break up. The year he made Joey Diamond the co capt, give me a break.

Maybe TW is having a new career development.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

He wasn't good at either one at UMaine

That may well be true, but according to Maine's 2010-16 NCAA Financial reports Coach Whitehead was better at fundraisng three of his last four seasons than Coach Gendron was in his first three:
Coach Whitehead
2010 - $131,665
2011 - $193,601
2012 - $131,592
2013 - $ 90,361
Average - $136,805
Coach Gendron
2014 - $ 97,078
2015 - $105,001
2016 - $150,002
Average - $117,360

Not that either is very good. BU raised $254,506 in 24 hours on their annual giving day less than two weeks ago on 5 April. Of the public schools I have at least one NCAA Financial report for Maine ranks 14th out of 22 in average contributions.

Sean

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

That may well be true, but according to Maine's 2010-16 NCAA Financial reports Coach Whitehead was better at fundraisng three of his last four seasons than Coach Gendron was in his first three:
Coach Whitehead
2010 - $131,665
2011 - $193,601
2012 - $131,592
2013 - $ 90,361
Average - $136,805
Coach Gendron
2014 - $ 97,078
2015 - $105,001
2016 - $150,002
Average - $117,360

Not that either is very good. BU raised $254,506 in 24 hours on their annual giving day less than two weeks ago on 5 April. Of the public schools I have at least one NCAA Financial report for Maine ranks 14th out of 22 in average contributions.

Sean

You have compiled lots of interesting data, Sean. BU being able to raise a quarter of a million dollars in one day is remarkable. Thanks for all of your time and effort in gathering this information. Including all of your attendance numbers by the way.

 

[BoSox3066]

So Maine should have kept him? Because he is doing well coaching a prep school team.

No it was time for him to go. But if we continue to suck and he goes somewhere and wins, we are definitely going to LOOK like azzholes. Lol.