UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Well, you need the goaltending to put you in a position to win, but you need goal scoring to actually get the win.

Sean

Oh I hear you on that...but "IF" you have the solid/steady goaltending then you can worry on the scoring and all that goes into this great game. Everything is important, but like I said before...give me a lights out goaltender and the other stuff will work its way in. (Hopefully..!)

 

[Drew S.]

I've been working on compiling revenues and expenses for all DI hockey programs from 2010 through 2016 when possible. I'm using the full NCAA financial reports for the public schools when I get them and the more limited EADA reports for the private schools. I have all seven years worth of Maine reports and they haven't raised a few hundred thousand per year directly for the hockey team (other than in 2011) during that period. Here are the reported contributions specifically to the hockey team and also to general athletics (non-sports specific):
2010 - $131,665 (hockey), $58,190 (non-sports specific)
2011 - $193,601 (hockey), $515,989 (non-sports specific)
2012 - $131,592 (hockey), $444,444 (non-sports specific)
2013 - $90,361 (hockey), $258,104 (non-sports specific)
2014 - $97,078 (hockey, $457,267 (non-sports specific)
2015 - $105,001 (hockey), $377,082 (non-sports specific)
2016 - $150,002 (hockey), $286,199 (non-sports specific)

By the way, the contributions cover just a small part of the men's team's average annual expenses. From 2010-16 total expenses averaged $1,935,389, and they reached $2,132,336 in 2016.



Maine redacted coaching salaries from the 2010 through 2014 reports I found online, but not on the 2015 & 2016 reports I requested directly from the university through the Freedom of Access Request procedure. Coach Gendron's salary was report as $319,156 in 2015 and $325,872 in 2016. If he is giving 5% that would be just over $32,000 for those two years.

Sean

The numbers they gave you are total compensation not salary. He makes around $200k a year. I'm not sure if the money raised for the Standbrook fund would be included in your numbers for money raised.

Edit: by total compensation I mean taxes, insurance, retirement benefits, etc.

 

[BassAle]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Maine redacted coaching salaries from the 2010 through 2014 reports I found online, but not on the 2015 & 2016 reports I requested directly from the university through the Freedom of Access Request procedure. Coach Gendron's salary was report as $319,156 in 2015 and $325,872 in 2016. If he is giving 5% that would be just over $32,000 for those two years.
Sean

Gendron's last contract extension has his salary at $209,500 in his final year, 2019. The reported salary is total compensation, which includes health insurance, performance based incentives (had Red qualified for any) retirement benefits (which when I worked for the University was 10% of my salary paid by the U into a 403.b, which was standard for faculty and professional staff -- hockey coaches might get something different), payroll taxes, etc.

According to this article from a year ago they had raised about $300K for the endowment so far, so they still needed 700K to match the $1M:

http://www.centralmaine.com/2016/03/14/whatever-became-of-umaine-hockeys-superpower-status/

 

[BassAle]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Coach Leach retired, contract was up in june, 65 soon to be 66 years old, wants some free time with family. Wish him the best

"spending time with family" is a code word for "being asked to retire"

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

The figure I heard was 5%...but not what your reporting...my understanding was he was donating $10,455.00 of his salary...which means he is not making in the 300k range...I was hearing he was more in the $215k to $220k range.

The numbers they gave you are total compensation not salary. He makes around $200k a year. I'm not sure if the money raised for the Standbrook fund would be included in your numbers for money raised.

Edit: by total compensation I mean taxes, insurance, retirement benefits, etc.

Gendron's last contract extension has his salary at $209,500 in his final year, 2019. The reported salary is total compensation, which includes health insurance, performance based incentives (had Red qualified for any) retirement benefits (which when I worked for the University was 10% of my salary paid by the U into a 403.b, which was standard for faculty and professional staff -- hockey coaches might get something different), payroll taxes, etc.

According to this article from a year ago they had raised about $300K for the endowment so far, so they still needed 700K to match the $1M:

http://www.centralmaine.com/2016/03/14/whatever-became-of-umaine-hockeys-superpower-status/

Taxes and insurance and payroll taxes are not mentioned in the instructions:

Input compensation, bonus and benefits paid to all coaches reportable on the university or related entities W-2 and 1099 forms inclusive of:
Gross wages and bonuses.
Benefits including allowances, speaking fees, retirement, stipends, memberships, media income, tuition reimbursement and earned deferred compensation.

I would think only retirement and deferred compensation would not be immediately paid out each year, but I agree he is likely to be only donating 5% of his base salary. However, whether Coach Gendron is donating $10,000 a year, which is generous, or $16,000 a year, my point was it doesn't look like Maine has a large, wealth donor base for men's hockey.

Sean

 

[walrus]

"spending time with family" is a code word for "being asked to retire"

Maybe, his contract was up in june. Either way, nice guy to talk to, hope he enjoys his "retirement"

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Coach Leach retired, contract was up in june, 65 soon to be 66 years old, wants some free time with family. Wish him the best

In reading the Bangor Daily News article, it sounded to me like he was tired of living in Orono, Me away from his kids and friends. No summers off and no family life having been divorced. He didn't rule out seeking another job as a NHL scout. Best wishes to him in his future endeavors.

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Taxes and insurance and payroll taxes are not mentioned in the instructions:

Input compensation, bonus and benefits paid to all coaches reportable on the university or related entities W-2 and 1099 forms inclusive of:
Gross wages and bonuses.
Benefits including allowances, speaking fees, retirement, stipends, memberships, media income, tuition reimbursement and earned deferred compensation.

I would think only retirement and deferred compensation would not be immediately paid out each year, but I agree he is likely to be only donating 5% of his base salary. However, whether Coach Gendron is donating $10,000 a year, which is generous, or $16,000 a year, my point was it doesn't look like Maine has a large, wealth donor base for men's hockey.

Sean

He is earning way more than what was reported publically when he was first hired four years a go. He must have received another increase when he received the two year extension. Initially, it was reported that he was earning in the very low $210K range if I recall correctly.

 

[BassAle]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

He is earning way more than what was reported publically when he was first hired four years a go. He must have received another increase when he received the two year extension. Initially, it was reported that he was earning in the very low $210K range if I recall correctly.

His contract extension included very small increases, reaching $209,500 in 2019. His initial contract was for $205,000/yr. The compensation reported by the University includes benefits. It's basically the total cost to the University of the employee.

 

[BassAle]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Taxes and insurance and payroll taxes are not mentioned in the instructions:

Input compensation, bonus and benefits paid to all coaches reportable on the university or related entities W-2 and 1099 forms inclusive of:
Gross wages and bonuses.
Benefits including allowances, speaking fees, retirement, stipends, memberships, media income, tuition reimbursement and earned deferred compensation.

I would think only retirement and deferred compensation would not be immediately paid out each year, but I agree he is likely to be only donating 5% of his base salary. However, whether Coach Gendron is donating $10,000 a year, which is generous, or $16,000 a year, my point was it doesn't look like Maine has a large, wealth donor base for men's hockey.

Sean

the cost of medical insurance is definitely included in the reported total compensation, which can easily add $20K or more, and I'm pretty sure it also includes the cost of "government benefits" which basically means payroll taxes that cover social security, medicare, and unemployment insurance.

I agree with your assessment that Maine doesn't have a large wealthy donor base for hockey.

I'm not a wealthy donor. I get requests for donation to the fund in the mail, and honestly I'm not really included to donate to an athletic program at this time. Most of my charitable donations support land conservation at this point (Access Fund, Maine Farmland Trust, Downeast Lakes Land Trust, Friends of Baxter State Park, Maine Coast Heritage Trust, etc), which I think is more important over the long run... How many people make donating to an athletic department a priority now?

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

His contract extension included very small increases, reaching $209,500 in 2019. His initial contract was for $205,000/yr. The compensation reported by the University includes benefits. It's basically the total cost to the University of the employee.

Thanks. His total package appears to be in line with other Hockey East coaches. For instance, I think I saw where Bazin is in the $325 - 350K range. I assume that is total compensation. Gendron makes himself look good (PR wise), by declaring publically that he is contributing a portion of his base salary back to the University.

 

[Drew S.]

the cost of medical insurance is definitely included in the reported total compensation, which can easily add $20K or more, and I'm pretty sure it also includes the cost of "government benefits" which basically means payroll taxes that cover social security, medicare, and unemployment insurance.

I agree with your assessment that Maine doesn't have a large wealthy donor base for hockey.

I get requests for donation to the fund in the mail, and honestly I'm not really included to donate to an athletic program at this time. Most of my charitable donations support land conservation at this point (Access Fund, Maine Farmland Trust, Downeast Lakes Land Trust, Friends of Baxter State Park, Maine Coast Heritage Trust, etc), which I think is more important over the long run...

I'm interested to see what they roll out in the next month with the money they got from the Alfond Foundation. They have certainly alienated a lot of people since Shawn died and along with the poor results(across all sports) doesn't really encourage people to donate.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Thanks. His total package appears to be in line with other Hockey East coaches. For instance, I think I saw where Bazin is in the $325 - 350K range. I assume that is total compensation. Gendron makes himself look good (PR wise), by declaring publically that he is contributing a portion of his base salary back to the University.

Getting off topic, but here are the total compensations I have from NCAA reports:
Hockey East (6 of 6 public schools)
UML - Coach Bazin, $489,315 (2016)
UNH- Coach Umile, $457,797 (2016)
Vermont - Coach Sneddon, $336,811 (2014)
Maine - Coach Gendron, $330,872 (includes $5,000 from third parties)(2016)
UMass - Coach Micheletto, $303,983 (2016)
UConn - Coach Cavanaugh, $296,599 (2016)

Big Ten (5 of 6 public schools)
Minnesota - Coach Lucia, $837,644 (2016)
Michigan - Coach Berenson, $527,394 (2015)
Wisconsin - Coach Eaves, $471,985 (2016)
MSU - Coach Anastos, $433,121 (2015)
Ohio State - Coach Rohlik, $364,048 (2016)

NCHC (4 of 8 public schools)
WMU- Coach Murray, $681,838 (2016)
Miami - Coach Blasi, $491,535 (2016)
UND - Coach Berry, $474,504 (2016)
Omaha - Coach Blais, $371,355 (2014)

WCHA (6 of 10 public schools)
Michigan Tech - Coach Pearson, $441,033 (2016)
Alaska-Anchorage, Coach Thomas, $258,251 (2014)
Bowling Green - Coach Bergeron, $250,666 (2016)
Alaska - Coach Ferguson, $227,621 (2014)
Bemidji State - Coach Serratore, $210,163 (2015)
Lake Superior - Coach Whitten, $172,128 (2015)

Independent (1 of 1 public school)
Arizona State - Coach Powers, $331,862 (2016)

I'm interested to see what they roll out in the next month with the money they got from the Alfond Foundation. They have certainly alienated a lot of people since Shawn died and along with the poor results(across all sports) doesn't really encourage people to donate.

Have you heard anything about possible plans?

Sean

 

[Drew S.]

Getting off topic, but here are the total compensations I have from NCAA reports:
Hockey East (6 of 6 public schools)
UML - Coach Bazin, $489,315 (2016)
UNH- Coach Umile, $457,797 (2016)
Vermont - Coach Sneddon, $336,811 (2014)
Maine - Coach Gendron, $330,872 (includes $5,000 from third parties)(2016)
UMass - Coach Micheletto, $303,983 (2016)
UConn - Coach Cavanaugh, $296,599 (2016)

Big Ten (5 of 6 public schools)
Minnesota - Coach Lucia, $837,644 (2016)
Michigan - Coach Berenson, $527,394 (2015)
Wisconsin - Coach Eaves, $471,985 (2016)
MSU - Coach Anastos, $433,121 (2015)
Ohio State - Coach Rohlik, $364,048 (2016)

NCHC (4 of 8 public schools)
WMU- Coach Murray, $681,838 (2016)
Miami - Coach Blasi, $491,535 (2016)
UND - Coach Berry, $474,504 (2016)
Omaha - Coach Blais, $371,355 (2014)

WCHA (6 of 10 public schools)
Michigan Tech - Coach Pearson, $441,033 (2016)
Alaska-Anchorage, Coach Thomas, $258,251 (2014)
Bowling Green - Coach Bergeron, $250,666 (2016)
Alaska - Coach Ferguson, $227,621 (2014)
Bemidji State - Coach Serratore, $210,163 (2015)
Lake Superior - Coach Whitten, $172,128 (2015)

Independent (1 of 1 public school)
Arizona State - Coach Powers, $331,862 (2016)

Have you heard anything about possible plans?

Sean

This is all speculation but I think it has more to do with behind the scenes stuff. It sounds like now they don't really have any way to track or coordinate fundraising efforts. I would guess they are going to buy some type of software program that will enable them to tailor how they try to raise money. If they try to jack up ticket prices I don't think they will have much luck.

 

[BBDiehard14]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

I'm interested to see what they roll out in the next month with the money they got from the Alfond Foundation. They have certainly alienated a lot of people since Shawn died and along with the poor results(across all sports) doesn't really encourage people to donate.

I thought of that the other day when I learned the King's had donated $30K to the Bangor Fire Department. It's too bad the U had to go and **** them off, because they're obviously still doing what they love to do and that's give back to their community

 

[BassAle]

I thought of that the other day when I learned the King's had donated $30K to the Bangor Fire Department. It's too bad the U had to go and **** them off, because they're obviously still doing what they love to do and that's give back to their community

Their foundation donates a lot to Maine EMS organizations through a competitive grant program. I'm with a search and rescue organization and we were awarded a grant to purchase new radios for the team (about $1K each at government pricing).

Their foundation does not fund athletics.

 

[Runsub5]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Getting off topic, but here are the total compensations I have from NCAA reports:
Hockey East (6 of 6 public schools)
UML - Coach Bazin, $489,315 (2016)
UNH- Coach Umile, $457,797 (2016)
Vermont - Coach Sneddon, $336,811 (2014)
Maine - Coach Gendron, $330,872 (includes $5,000 from third parties)(2016)
UMass - Coach Micheletto, $303,983 (2016)
UConn - Coach Cavanaugh, $296,599 (2016)

Big Ten (5 of 6 public schools)
Minnesota - Coach Lucia, $837,644 (2016)
Michigan - Coach Berenson, $527,394 (2015)
Wisconsin - Coach Eaves, $471,985 (2016)
MSU - Coach Anastos, $433,121 (2015)
Ohio State - Coach Rohlik, $364,048 (2016)

NCHC (4 of 8 public schools)
WMU- Coach Murray, $681,838 (2016)
Miami - Coach Blasi, $491,535 (2016)
UND - Coach Berry, $474,504 (2016)
Omaha - Coach Blais, $371,355 (2014)

WCHA (6 of 10 public schools)
Michigan Tech - Coach Pearson, $441,033 (2016)
Alaska-Anchorage, Coach Thomas, $258,251 (2014)
Bowling Green - Coach Bergeron, $250,666 (2016)
Alaska - Coach Ferguson, $227,621 (2014)
Bemidji State - Coach Serratore, $210,163 (2015)
Lake Superior - Coach Whitten, $172,128 (2015)

Independent (1 of 1 public school)
Arizona State - Coach Powers, $331,862 (2016)

Thanks Sean, interesting information. I was really off the mark on Bazin's package.

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

This is all speculation but I think it has more to do with behind the scenes stuff. It sounds like now they don't really have any way to track or coordinate fundraising efforts. I would guess they are going to buy some type of software program that will enable them to tailor how they try to raise money. If they try to jack up ticket prices I don't think they will have much luck.

Maine has done well with ticket sales, averaging over $1 million per year from 2010-2016, although it did drop significantly in 2016 to just $769,946. Here are the averages for the 6 public Hockey East schools:
UNH - $1,395,498 (2010-16 - however sales have gone down every year and were below $1 million in 2016)
UVM - $1,096,978 (2010-14)
Maine - $1,008,801 (2010-16)
UConn - $878,570 (2016 only)
UML - $446,074 (2010-16)
UMass - $312,987 (2010-16)

Maine's attendance was up this year and they had one more home game so total attendance increased over 11,500 from 2015-16. Dividing Maine's ticket sales by total home attendance for 2010-16 shows an average ticket price of $13.29, although the average price for 2016 was $11.57. Those numbers obviously reflect discounted or free tickets/admissions, but would still add between $133,000 and $155,000 to 2016's ticket sales total, raising over $900,000.

Sean

 

[Sean Pickett]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Thanks Sean, interesting information. I was really off the mark on Bazin's package.

Thanks. I hope to have a spreadsheet will all the information ready and online soon.

Sean

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

Maine has done well with ticket sales, averaging over $1 million per year from 2010-2016, although it did drop significantly in 2016 to just $769,946. Here are the averages for the 6 public Hockey East schools:
UNH - $1,395,498 (2010-16 - however sales have gone down every year and were below $1 million in 2016)
UVM - $1,096,978 (2010-14)
Maine - $1,008,801 (2010-16)
UConn - $878,570 (2016 only)
UML - $446,074 (2010-16)
UMass - $312,987 (2010-16)

Maine's attendance was up this year and they had one more home game so total attendance increased over 11,500 from 2015-16. Dividing Maine's ticket sales by total home attendance for 2010-16 shows an average ticket price of $13.29, although the average price for 2016 was $11.57. Those numbers obviously reflect discounted or free tickets/admissions, but would still add between $133,000 and $155,000 to 2016's ticket sales total, raising over $900,000.

Sean

Maine dropped ticket prices in 16