TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

[The Rube]

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And no one is saying a one-timer should get off scot-free, either.

 

[Kepler]

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ST 2.2 was a good character/relationship building episode. A little formulaic but it's early days.

 

[Handyman]

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I understood that fully.

That line of reasoning is precisely what I have an issue with.


It matters not if it was a "one time thing" or 30 years ago.


You don't get to take back assault and the victim has to live with the "one time thing" for the rest of their life.

And that is your opinion and you are allowed to have it. What you arent allowed to do is accuse others of condoning and excusing activity when they did no such thing. Just because you interpret anything less than your opinion as condoning doesnt mean in the real world they are actually doing it.

 

[Handyman]

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ST 2.2 was a good character/relationship building episode. A little formulaic but it's early days.

It was good...but I dunno something definitely seems a bit off early this season. Cant quite put my finger on it.

 

[unofan]

It was good...but I dunno something definitely seems a bit off early this season. Cant quite put my finger on it.

Just wait for it...I'm through episode 6 and it definitely hits its stride again.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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And that is your opinion and you are allowed to have it. What you arent allowed to do is accuse others of condoning and excusing activity when they did no such thing. Just because you interpret anything less than your opinion as condoning doesnt mean in the real world they are actually doing it.

This is the last I'll post on this as the thread is off track.


Every post that I quoted worked to minimize the alleged act.

If someone means to say that the issue here is whether a man's career should be ruined over one unsubstantiated allegation, then say that.

The "30 years ago" and "one bad decision" and "one time isolated incident" didn't need to be a part of that discussion nor is it relevant.

If you hang any part of your argument on those points, you open yourself up to criticism and are seeking to hold a position that is pretty tough to defend.


Pedophilia is not a grey area.

I can't honestly believe that anyone thinks it is or that "just one time" is a valid rationalization for pedophilia.

And if you rationalize for this, you are an enabler.

 

[Handyman]

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Just wait for it...I'm through episode 6 and it definitely hits its stride again.

I am not worried I kinda felt the same way in season 1 except getting to know the kids really made it easier to deal with. Now we know them...and the new characters are hit or miss.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Kennedy rules?

Brent - If a coach, priest or a teacher can't get a free pass, neither can an actor. There must be one standard.

We need to be sure the allegation(s) are true. Witchhunts are famous for collecting the innocent as well as the guilty.

What IS surprising is that nobody has sued for $$$$$.

Yes, Teddy should've done time for Chappaquiddick. He didn't though.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Just wait for it...I'm through episode 6 and it definitely hits its stride again.

It got stronger as it went on, except for ep 7 in my opinion

 

[unofan]

It got stronger as it went on, except for ep 7 in my opinion

Yeah, a co-worker just warned me about that one. I've heard there's an episode that doesn't fit with the rest of the season, guess I'm about to get to that one tonight.

 

[rufus]

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That's the other part. Spacey didn't exactly deny nor admit it happened. Add to that, how many years ago it was, and who knows? I'm still guessing it happened, but that's just it: a guess.

You remember everything you did at a drunken party on say, this day, 30 years ago?

Yeah, it probably happened. Yeah, being drunk was probably a factor in why it happened. From what I've read, he didn't rape or molest Rapp, he just tried putting the moves on him, and was rejected. If it's not a repeatable pattern of behavior, with far worse consequences, I'm not gonna be the one who says it should ruin Spacey's career.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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You remember everything you did at a drunken party on say, this day, 30 years ago?

Yeah, it probably happened. Yeah, being drunk was probably a factor in why it happened. From what I've read, he didn't rape or molest Rapp, he just tried putting the moves on him, and was rejected. If it's not a repeatable pattern of behavior, with far worse consequences, I'm not gonna be the one who says it should ruin Spacey's career.

You and I are on the same page. I think you said it much better than I did.

 

[rufus]

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You and I are on the same page. I think you said it much better than I did.

I know the underage thing is creepy, but who hasn't drunkenly put the moves on someone who just wasn't having any of that?

 

[joecct]

Of course, coaches, teachers, and priests inherently have an authoritarian role over kids that actors, athletes, your average joe on the street do not. There's definitely a legitimate reason for treating them harsher.

In Hollywood the A list and producers ARE the authoritarian figures. careers haved been buried when they've been crossed.

 

[SJHovey]

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In Hollywood the A list and producers ARE the authoritarian figures. careers haved been buried when they've been crossed.

In sex abuse of minors that occurs in schools, homes, athletic activities or things like the Boy Scouts, it's always a person in a position of authority who uses that authority to conduct the abuse. The same thing happens to victims who are not minors. It's just that now the authoritarian figures are bosses, heads of movie studios or even the President.

The theater setting is an interesting one, especially in situations like Spacey's conduct. It reminds me a lot of a similar problem that occurred in Minnesota 30+ years ago with respect to the Minnesota Children's Theater. IIRC, some of those cases (although not all of them) involved minor actors/actresses being taken advantage of by actors who were in their twenties. Like the Spacey case, the victims were 14-16 years of age.

What you saw in those cases were instances where these teenagers basically found themselves in an adult world. They were acting in plays with adults, and were basically treated the same way adults were treated. They simply became part of the "company."

I have to believe that at some point there just occurs a blurring of the lines of adulthood versus childhood for people like the perpetrators in Children's Theater case, and even Spacey's.

 

[Kepler]

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IIRC, some of those cases (although not all of them) involved minor actors/actresses being taken advantage of by actors who were in their twenties.

"Taken advantage of" seems like a anachronism. 20-something boys making it with mid-teen girls only became "OH NOES!!!!" within the last couple decades. Before that it was known as Being A Normal Student. He gets p-ssy, she gets the use of a car, everybody's happy.

The hemlines have changed now (and they will change again) but it is not historically accurate to teleport a 2017 morality back to 1987. I stumble out of the mists of time from 1987 and I am here to tell you that what you're saying is silly. It's ooky now; it wasn't ooky then.

tl; dr: Juliet was 13. Meh, it happens.

 

[rufus]

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And prior to the 20th century, 13 year old girls made damm good wives.

 

[Kepler]

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And prior to the 20th century, 13 year old girls made damm good wives.

They didn't talk back that's for sure.

Though that may have been the dysentery.

 

[Handyman]

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So I am beginning episode 5 of Stranger Things Season 2...I gotta say it is still underwhelming. Every time I feel it is making headway and getting somewhere they shift the narrative to either that annoying dude with the mullet or the teenage melodrama. It completely takes me out of the story and provides a nice pause point. Right now he only story that is compelling is Will's the rest are kind of dumb. Hell the best characters on the show right now are Bob and Ele and they are hardly around...

The first season had a few issues like that but after you get to episode 3 it is all in and I had to binge watch it. This one just isnt grabbing me. I think the writers forgot it was the kids that everyone fell in love with not Nancy and Otherguy.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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The hemlines have changed now (and they will change again) but it is not historically accurate to teleport a 2017 morality back to 1987. I stumble out of the mists of time from 1987 and I am here to tell you that what you're saying is silly. It's ooky now; it wasn't ooky then.

tl; dr: Juliet was 13. Meh, it happens.

I don't know where the fvck you lived in the 80s, but where I was living, a 26 year old and a 14 year old was definitely "ooky."

And also illegal.