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TV, or not TV, that is the question
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Proud2baLaker
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
Season 2 of Kimmy Schmidt is coming this month I believe.
Season 2 of Kimmy Schmidt is coming this month I believe.
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So Terence Winter got fired as show-runner of Vinyl over "creative differences'(presumably about how much the show should suck). I know it automatically got renewed for a second season about six minutes into the pilot, but I wonder if a second season actually gets made or if HBO quietly pulls the plug like they did with The Brink. They have to be paying a fortune in music rights and the show just hasn't been that good.
So Terence Winter got fired as show-runner of Vinyl over "creative differences'(presumably about how much the show should suck). I know it automatically got renewed for a second season about six minutes into the pilot, but I wonder if a second season actually gets made or if HBO quietly pulls the plug like they did with The Brink. They have to be paying a fortune in music rights and the show just hasn't been that good.
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So, is the show worth looking for on streaming/etc services? This post makes it seem not so. Is it bad, or is it ratings?
So, is the show worth looking for on streaming/etc services? This post makes it seem not so. Is it bad, or is it ratings?
Kepler
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
I think the show is great, but HBO only cares if its ratings are good.
It's not a good sign that the show runner got canned. The show has a million "executive producers" and even though some of them may be purely vanity (Mick Jagger, Martin Scorsese), this could indicate that those guys are trying to horn in.
I think the show is great, but HBO only cares if its ratings are good.
It's not a good sign that the show runner got canned. The show has a million "executive producers" and even though some of them may be purely vanity (Mick Jagger, Martin Scorsese), this could indicate that those guys are trying to horn in.
Kepler
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
I think Vinyl is very good, but there seem to be plenty of people on both sides. Stream the pilot and see if you like it.
I think Vinyl is very good, but there seem to be plenty of people on both sides. Stream the pilot and see if you like it.
Handyman
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Vinyl has a lot of potential, but it is a pretentious mess as well. Every little decision is some existential crisis for the characters (especially the lead) and there is never any time to breathe. The good parts are very good, but each hour long episode only has so much of the "good" and so very much of the bad. (this would have been better as a 30 minute show) Olivia Wilde has almost no purpose on the show except to be in sex scenes, and every little character flaw is not only highlighted, it is beaten over our heads like Chris Nolan made it on PCP.
The other problem is we know the big name bands in the story arent going to be going to the label cause of history so half the "we need to get that guy!!" stuff is rather pointless except to find a way to shoehorn said artist into the show.
There is enough to play with in the genre that they didnt need to go this route imho. I think the showrunner should have been fired because I honestly have no clue what the purpose of the show is right now. It is like the worst years of Boardwalk Empire where they obviously had no really endgame to the stories so they just kind of throw everything into a pot and see what comes out.
Vinyl has a lot of potential, but it is a pretentious mess as well. Every little decision is some existential crisis for the characters (especially the lead) and there is never any time to breathe. The good parts are very good, but each hour long episode only has so much of the "good" and so very much of the bad. (this would have been better as a 30 minute show) Olivia Wilde has almost no purpose on the show except to be in sex scenes, and every little character flaw is not only highlighted, it is beaten over our heads like Chris Nolan made it on PCP.
The other problem is we know the big name bands in the story arent going to be going to the label cause of history so half the "we need to get that guy!!" stuff is rather pointless except to find a way to shoehorn said artist into the show.
There is enough to play with in the genre that they didnt need to go this route imho. I think the showrunner should have been fired because I honestly have no clue what the purpose of the show is right now. It is like the worst years of Boardwalk Empire where they obviously had no really endgame to the stories so they just kind of throw everything into a pot and see what comes out.
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HBO shows are a lot more insulated from ratings pressure than any other network on TV, especially in recent times. They'll stick with something if it's good(Girls is on its' fifth season, which has been excellent, btw). Vinyl just hasn't been that good.
Part of the problem is that it's another white male antihero show, which is starting to become cliche at this point--If you haven't seen the show, take one guess at what the main character's relationship with his wife is like. The other half of the problem is that that genre isn't even that well-executed. What separates Richie from the Soprano/Draper/White pantheon is that he sucks at his job. That gives him a lot less leeway with the audience in terms of likability. It's just some guy wandering around being an a-hole.
But I can't stress enough what wonderful work Bobby Cannavale's hair is doing on that show.
HBO shows are a lot more insulated from ratings pressure than any other network on TV, especially in recent times. They'll stick with something if it's good(Girls is on its' fifth season, which has been excellent, btw). Vinyl just hasn't been that good.
Part of the problem is that it's another white male antihero show, which is starting to become cliche at this point--If you haven't seen the show, take one guess at what the main character's relationship with his wife is like. The other half of the problem is that that genre isn't even that well-executed. What separates Richie from the Soprano/Draper/White pantheon is that he sucks at his job. That gives him a lot less leeway with the audience in terms of likability. It's just some guy wandering around being an a-hole.
But I can't stress enough what wonderful work Bobby Cannavale's hair is doing on that show.
Kepler
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
The whole point of Richie is he's great at his job, he just can't get out of his own way. When we first meet him he's Draper, but at rock bottom. His arc is whether he pulls himself out or crashes.
The whole point of Richie is he's great at his job, he just can't get out of his own way. When we first meet him he's Draper, but at rock bottom. His arc is whether he pulls himself out or crashes.
Handyman
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
I disagree, he may have once been great at his job but those days are long past him. His salesman tactics dont work (as shown in pretty much every episode, dude cant close) and he and his partners spent so much time scamming and screwing people over they have almost zero positive rep around town with established acts and they are flat broke. He may have "the Ear" but he has no business sense, no morals, no ethics and is about the last person any one would trust to run a hot dog cart let alone a multi million dollar label. And all of that was true before he jumped off the wagon nose first.
He is not good at his job, in fact I am not even sure he knows how to do his job anymore.
I disagree, he may have once been great at his job but those days are long past him. His salesman tactics dont work (as shown in pretty much every episode, dude cant close) and he and his partners spent so much time scamming and screwing people over they have almost zero positive rep around town with established acts and they are flat broke. He may have "the Ear" but he has no business sense, no morals, no ethics and is about the last person any one would trust to run a hot dog cart let alone a multi million dollar label. And all of that was true before he jumped off the wagon nose first.
He is not good at his job, in fact I am not even sure he knows how to do his job anymore.
St. Clown
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23: I only saw a couple episodes of this while it was on its first run, but watching it now on Netflix, and it's great! It's pretty much The Odd Couple premise except the main characters are mid- to late-20s, and they're two women instead of middle-aged men, and there's James Van Der Beek as himself. Seriously, it's so much better than it has any right to be. The only thing off with the show, really, is Dreama Walker's eyes. There might be something like six inches between them, not that they'd stop me because the rest of her is dayumn.
Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23: I only saw a couple episodes of this while it was on its first run, but watching it now on Netflix, and it's great! It's pretty much The Odd Couple premise except the main characters are mid- to late-20s, and they're two women instead of middle-aged men, and there's James Van Der Beek as himself. Seriously, it's so much better than it has any right to be. The only thing off with the show, really, is Dreama Walker's eyes. There might be something like six inches between them, not that they'd stop me because the rest of her is dayumn.
rufus
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
Changed my cable service around, and got Universal HD added so I can watch the Tour de Suisse later in June. Just happened to stumble across them running the pilot for this show called Kidnapped, that ran for, I don't even think a full season, about ten or so years ago. I'd wanted to watch that then, but for whatever reason I missed it, or couldn't record it because of other stuff, or something. So I'm recording and watching it now.
Stars Dana Delaney and Timothy Hutton as wealthy parents whose son is kidnapped, and Jeremy Sisto and Delrioy Lindo as the people trying to get him back. Three episodes in so far, the usual 24-style twists and turns, we'll see just how complicated this whole web turns out to be.
Changed my cable service around, and got Universal HD added so I can watch the Tour de Suisse later in June. Just happened to stumble across them running the pilot for this show called Kidnapped, that ran for, I don't even think a full season, about ten or so years ago. I'd wanted to watch that then, but for whatever reason I missed it, or couldn't record it because of other stuff, or something. So I'm recording and watching it now.
Stars Dana Delaney and Timothy Hutton as wealthy parents whose son is kidnapped, and Jeremy Sisto and Delrioy Lindo as the people trying to get him back. Three episodes in so far, the usual 24-style twists and turns, we'll see just how complicated this whole web turns out to be.
Spartanforlife4
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I'm about halfway thru it so far. I think Titus is currently my favorite character on TV.
St. Clown
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
Colbert's show has changed. I have not seen it in a few weeks, including not watching last night's episode, so I'd be interested to see if it's taken a turn for the dumb or, hopefully, just tweaked a bit.
The segment he did before the change that I really liked is when he'd go off onto some bit with his guests, either acting out a backyard camping scene, gazing up at the stars whilst on the hood of a car, or whatever, and pondering various stupid things.
Colbert's show has changed. I have not seen it in a few weeks, including not watching last night's episode, so I'd be interested to see if it's taken a turn for the dumb or, hopefully, just tweaked a bit.
The segment he did before the change that I really liked is when he'd go off onto some bit with his guests, either acting out a backyard camping scene, gazing up at the stars whilst on the hood of a car, or whatever, and pondering various stupid things.
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I'm about half way as well, so much good stuff this season! I don't even know if I like Titus more than Lillian, but I like him a lot. All the Amy Sedaris has me thinking it's time to watch Strangers with Candy again.
I'm about half way as well, so much good stuff this season! I don't even know if I like Titus more than Lillian, but I like him a lot. All the Amy Sedaris has me thinking it's time to watch Strangers with Candy again.
Kepler
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Re: TV, or not TV, that is the question
It sounds like they're just tightening the format. The guy they brought in did morning shows, which is a bad sign, but apparently raised the bar and made them smarter, which is like saying you found the least racist supporter at a Drumpf rally, but still shows the right direction.
We'll see. I saw nothing wrong with the old format and I still think Colbert is an amazing talent, though to be fair I rarely watch past the first segment and never bother when celebs are on.
It sounds like they're just tightening the format. The guy they brought in did morning shows, which is a bad sign, but apparently raised the bar and made them smarter, which is like saying you found the least racist supporter at a Drumpf rally, but still shows the right direction.
We'll see. I saw nothing wrong with the old format and I still think Colbert is an amazing talent, though to be fair I rarely watch past the first segment and never bother when celebs are on.
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