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TV: Give Me That Remote!
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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Because we're not sure if the British have no class, but we're **** sure we don't.
Because we're not sure if the British have no class, but we're **** sure we don't.
Spartanforlife4
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Mr. Robot came back strong last night.
Mr. Robot came back strong last night.
Handyman
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Is there a sequel to Fight Club they could rip off?
(I plan to watch it since season 2 cant be as derivative as Season 1 was)
Is there a sequel to Fight Club they could rip off?
(I plan to watch it since season 2 cant be as derivative as Season 1 was)
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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S1 was brilliant, and other than the one twist it wasn't remotely a FC ripoff.
2.0 was fantastic, too. It's a great show.
Is there a sequel to Fight Club they could rip off?
(I plan to watch it since season 2 cant be as derivative as Season 1 was)
S1 was brilliant, and other than the one twist it wasn't remotely a FC ripoff.
2.0 was fantastic, too. It's a great show.
Handyman
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Really...so the idea of a subversive group of people wanting to take down the financial world by destroying a large company lead by a meek little dude who has multiple personalities and is schizophrenic talking to people who arent there is not similar in any way to the plot of Fight Club? Come on man the only difference is that instead of blowing up a bunch of credit companies they hack Evil Corp which throws the entire world economy and most of the banks in crisis.
Parts of season 1 were great but I am sorry the big twist I called in episode 1 (even saying to my girlfriend "they cant possibly have it be that because that is what they did in Fight Club") and half the storylines seemed like total filler. Like the dude who was trying to be CIO and had the frigid wife who was pregnant and he was banging dudes...half his storyline was yawnworthy. The best storyline was the Shayla one and they pretty much quit that one after he helped the dealer escape and found out Shayla was dead so I hope they pay that off or she too was a wasted plot point.
We will see, Season 2 can take a lot of what happened and make it better which is why I am giving it a chance but honestly as of now I cannot understand what so many people love about the show. Is it that it is super slow and everyone is either navel gazing or staring off into nothingness for minutes at a time before they go off on rants? Is it that, outside of Elliot and his family there is not one character that has any real redeeming value let alone heart at all? Personally I am watching it to see the after effects of what they did but honestly it gets like 3 episodes and I drop it like I did Orange is the New Black...I still cant bring myself to watch a whole episode of season 3 it is just so boring and lame.
Really...so the idea of a subversive group of people wanting to take down the financial world by destroying a large company lead by a meek little dude who has multiple personalities and is schizophrenic talking to people who arent there is not similar in any way to the plot of Fight Club? Come on man the only difference is that instead of blowing up a bunch of credit companies they hack Evil Corp which throws the entire world economy and most of the banks in crisis.
Parts of season 1 were great but I am sorry the big twist I called in episode 1 (even saying to my girlfriend "they cant possibly have it be that because that is what they did in Fight Club") and half the storylines seemed like total filler. Like the dude who was trying to be CIO and had the frigid wife who was pregnant and he was banging dudes...half his storyline was yawnworthy. The best storyline was the Shayla one and they pretty much quit that one after he helped the dealer escape and found out Shayla was dead so I hope they pay that off or she too was a wasted plot point.
We will see, Season 2 can take a lot of what happened and make it better which is why I am giving it a chance but honestly as of now I cannot understand what so many people love about the show. Is it that it is super slow and everyone is either navel gazing or staring off into nothingness for minutes at a time before they go off on rants? Is it that, outside of Elliot and his family there is not one character that has any real redeeming value let alone heart at all? Personally I am watching it to see the after effects of what they did but honestly it gets like 3 episodes and I drop it like I did Orange is the New Black...I still cant bring myself to watch a whole episode of season 3 it is just so boring and lame.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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I wasn't impressed by S2E1 of Mr. Robot.
This entire episode had me wanting to scream at my tv. Moments of pure genius marooned in a sea of ineptitude. Some of the really well done parts were the notebook, the fire scene, and that's about it.
When they were cutting the balls off the bull it was just way too on the nose for a high caliber show. Not the act of castration, but the costumes, the makeup, and the characters. I thought if Elliot had woken up to Mr Robot pulling them in through the door would be perfect. But then I realized that doesn't fit either character. Well, maybe Mr. Robot.
The party scene with the sack was equally awful. The first two minutes of the smart house gone haywire was dumb. Everything else was so deliberate that I can't tell if it was deliberate on purpose or by mistake.
This had better be a setup episode because if there's more of this, I'm not sure I'm going to waste my time weekly. Might as well binge it.
For the record, I thought season one was great.
I wasn't impressed by S2E1 of Mr. Robot.
This entire episode had me wanting to scream at my tv. Moments of pure genius marooned in a sea of ineptitude. Some of the really well done parts were the notebook, the fire scene, and that's about it.
When they were cutting the balls off the bull it was just way too on the nose for a high caliber show. Not the act of castration, but the costumes, the makeup, and the characters. I thought if Elliot had woken up to Mr Robot pulling them in through the door would be perfect. But then I realized that doesn't fit either character. Well, maybe Mr. Robot.
The party scene with the sack was equally awful. The first two minutes of the smart house gone haywire was dumb. Everything else was so deliberate that I can't tell if it was deliberate on purpose or by mistake.
This had better be a setup episode because if there's more of this, I'm not sure I'm going to waste my time weekly. Might as well binge it.
For the record, I thought season one was great.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I didn't have that visceral reaction (except for the chick in the smart house -- just throw the breaker, dummy), but my impression is they are deliberately mixing realism and surrealism to underscore that Elliot has lost control of his mental software. Mr. Robot is at heart an exploration of what "I" is. What do we mean when we think of our "self"? Gilbert Ryle wrote a highly influential essay about this 70 years ago and philosophy has been grappling with it ever since. In what ways are the impression of cognition that you have right now reading this "you"? Think of yourself reading this sentence. Who are "you" -- the reader, the impression of reading, the reflection on reading -- what's going on when you reflect upon "yourself"? Is there an actual hierarchy of mind in the substrate or is this a mental concoction, and what does it mean to be "mental," anyway?
On the naive level (let's call it the Fight Club level, in honor of Handyman ) Elliott's mind has split and is at war with itself. He's a garden variety schizophrenic, probably because daddy dropped him out of the window when he was a kid. Elliott is the Narrator and Christian Slater is Tyler Durden. The show can work at this level but it becomes frustrating because it seems to be spooling out a lot of unnecessary or irrelevant interactions and thoughts. Get to the fight scenes already.
I propose Elliott's mind is like the OSI Model except the levels have become self-aware. Typically cognizance only lives at the Application Layer, and everything below that just chugs along doing all the mechanical functions required to support the highest level: consciousness. To cite Fight Club again, Tyler and the Narrator are simply different applications competing for system resources.
Conversely, in Mr. Robot, at least all the Host Layers are "alive" and have will. And it's not a simple hierarchy either -- they seem to be confusing themselves and each other because their interactions are no longer autonomic -- they require deliberate "will" to dial each other up. Elliott, sitting at the table listening to his buddy run on about Seinfeld, is running system tests trying to put the layers back in their "normal" state -- under control. But as Mr. Robot (Slater) says, "control is an illusion" (for Elliott anyway). Why "Mr. Robot," anyway? It seems like a harkening back to Ryle's "ghost in the machine" -- the "robot" (the machine) has woken up and Elliott (the fictitious little man at the "controls" that we imagine our true "self" to be -- directing the machine to interact in the physical world) not only has no control over it (it does things that surprise him, which shouldn't happen), but he even has to deal with it directly in the persona of an annoying hack actor who hasn't had a good role since Pump Up the Volume.
To extend the analogy, the whole international financial system is like a mind, with we individuals who comprise it at a lower layer unconsciously humming along, doing the things we are supposed to in order for the "real" actors at the top layer to accomplish their goals. The goal of "freeing" the people from their servitude is similar to the lower layers of Elliott's consciousness having become unstuck.
I didn't have that visceral reaction (except for the chick in the smart house -- just throw the breaker, dummy), but my impression is they are deliberately mixing realism and surrealism to underscore that Elliot has lost control of his mental software. Mr. Robot is at heart an exploration of what "I" is. What do we mean when we think of our "self"? Gilbert Ryle wrote a highly influential essay about this 70 years ago and philosophy has been grappling with it ever since. In what ways are the impression of cognition that you have right now reading this "you"? Think of yourself reading this sentence. Who are "you" -- the reader, the impression of reading, the reflection on reading -- what's going on when you reflect upon "yourself"? Is there an actual hierarchy of mind in the substrate or is this a mental concoction, and what does it mean to be "mental," anyway?
On the naive level (let's call it the Fight Club level, in honor of Handyman
) Elliott's mind has split and is at war with itself. He's a garden variety schizophrenic, probably because daddy dropped him out of the window when he was a kid. Elliott is the Narrator and Christian Slater is Tyler Durden. The show can work at this level but it becomes frustrating because it seems to be spooling out a lot of unnecessary or irrelevant interactions and thoughts. Get to the fight scenes already.I propose Elliott's mind is like the OSI Model except the levels have become self-aware. Typically cognizance only lives at the Application Layer, and everything below that just chugs along doing all the mechanical functions required to support the highest level: consciousness. To cite Fight Club again, Tyler and the Narrator are simply different applications competing for system resources.
Conversely, in Mr. Robot, at least all the Host Layers are "alive" and have will. And it's not a simple hierarchy either -- they seem to be confusing themselves and each other because their interactions are no longer autonomic -- they require deliberate "will" to dial each other up. Elliott, sitting at the table listening to his buddy run on about Seinfeld, is running system tests trying to put the layers back in their "normal" state -- under control. But as Mr. Robot (Slater) says, "control is an illusion" (for Elliott anyway). Why "Mr. Robot," anyway? It seems like a harkening back to Ryle's "ghost in the machine" -- the "robot" (the machine) has woken up and Elliott (the fictitious little man at the "controls" that we imagine our true "self" to be -- directing the machine to interact in the physical world) not only has no control over it (it does things that surprise him, which shouldn't happen), but he even has to deal with it directly in the persona of an annoying hack actor who hasn't had a good role since Pump Up the Volume.
To extend the analogy, the whole international financial system is like a mind, with we individuals who comprise it at a lower layer unconsciously humming along, doing the things we are supposed to in order for the "real" actors at the top layer to accomplish their goals. The goal of "freeing" the people from their servitude is similar to the lower layers of Elliott's consciousness having become unstuck.
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Shirtless Guy
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Here is my question, what is so wrong about something else like fight club? Most things on TV and in the movies are just another version of something else, we don't get a lot of things like fight club and most of us loved it, what's wrong with more?
Here is my question, what is so wrong about something else like fight club? Most things on TV and in the movies are just another version of something else, we don't get a lot of things like fight club and most of us loved it, what's wrong with more?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I loved Fight Club. My only point is Mr. Robot is deeper and weirder than Fight Club, even if you assume that spoiler Marla is also in the Narrator's head.
I loved Fight Club. My only point is Mr. Robot is deeper and weirder than Fight Club, even if you assume that spoiler Marla is also in the Narrator's head.
Handyman
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Nothing...most things are derivative of something especially on TV. I just keep hearing from people how original and imaginative the show was when in reality it wasnt. I want some of the TV snobs (you know the ones...Film School Reject types and bloggers like Andy Greenwald ) to admit its been done. Acknowledge it. All I am doing is pointing out what I see 
As I say in the movie thread all the time, like what you like for whatever reason you like it.
I fond Mr. Robot is a better show binging cause it is so flipping slow. Watching it week to week would just kill me. (see also: Breaking Bad)
Nothing...most things are derivative of something especially on TV. I just keep hearing from people how original and imaginative the show was when in reality it wasnt. I want some of the TV snobs (you know the ones...Film School Reject types and bloggers like Andy Greenwald
) to admit its been done. Acknowledge it. All I am doing is pointing out what I see As I say in the movie thread all the time, like what you like for whatever reason you like it.
I fond Mr. Robot is a better show binging cause it is so flipping slow. Watching it week to week would just kill me. (see also: Breaking Bad)
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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So true, one week you feel like you got nothing, the next you feel great.Nothing...most things are derivative of something especially on TV. I just keep hearing from people how original and imaginative the show was when in reality it wasnt. I want some of the TV snobs (you know the ones...Film School Reject types and bloggers like Andy Greenwald
As I say in the movie thread all the time, like what you like for whatever reason you like it.
I fond Mr. Robot is a better show binging cause it is so flipping slow. Watching it week to week would just kill me. (see also: Breaking Bad)
bigblue_dl
Armed
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I think you summarized why I didn't really care for season 1 of Mr. Robot pretty well.
On your last line about OITNB. Just skip season 3, you don't miss anything. Start season 4, it is sooooo much better, and I think you'll really like it. Here's what happens in the end of season 3, that you should know going into season 4: The guards walk off of the job, and the inmates escape through a hole in the fence. They go swimming in the **** pond outside the fences. Piper sends the Aussie chick to max, and the trans woman gets thrown in the hole, for a reason I can't remember. Heroin addict Nikki gets setup by Luschek and sent to max. Caputo is pretty much screwed over. Famous Martha Stewart lady is coming to Litchfield as a new inmate. There, now start season 4!
I think you summarized why I didn't really care for season 1 of Mr. Robot pretty well.
On your last line about OITNB. Just skip season 3, you don't miss anything. Start season 4, it is sooooo much better, and I think you'll really like it. Here's what happens in the end of season 3, that you should know going into season 4: The guards walk off of the job, and the inmates escape through a hole in the fence. They go swimming in the **** pond outside the fences. Piper sends the Aussie chick to max, and the trans woman gets thrown in the hole, for a reason I can't remember. Heroin addict Nikki gets setup by Luschek and sent to max. Caputo is pretty much screwed over. Famous Martha Stewart lady is coming to Litchfield as a new inmate. There, now start season 4!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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I actually like that in the show. It looks like The Night Of is going to be very much that. House of Cards was too. Though to be fair I can't not binge watch HoC -- Dr. Mrs. and I usually knock it out in one weekend and then feel ashamed.
I actually like that in the show. It looks like The Night Of is going to be very much that. House of Cards was too. Though to be fair I can't not binge watch HoC -- Dr. Mrs. and I usually knock it out in one weekend and then feel ashamed.
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I started watching Mr. Robot. Watched most of season 1 and I just totally lost interest and didn't finish the season. No regrets.
Anyone watching Tyrant? Third season just started. Second episode in, they've already killed off two characters. Suits stared the other night. Glad that's back this summer. I started watching Queen of the South. Jury's still out, but I think it has potential. And I totally love UnReal.
I started watching Mr. Robot. Watched most of season 1 and I just totally lost interest and didn't finish the season. No regrets.
Anyone watching Tyrant? Third season just started. Second episode in, they've already killed off two characters. Suits stared the other night. Glad that's back this summer. I started watching Queen of the South. Jury's still out, but I think it has potential. And I totally love UnReal.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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I have a bunch of episodes of Tyrant to catch up on...I'm somewhere in season 2 yet...
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