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TV: Did you make Barry's List?

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I usually don't care for comedies on TV. There are a few that have pulled me in: Veep, Sunny, Brockmire, but other than that, it is pretty slim. Not sure why, I just find most of them to be boring, and not that funny. I usually stick to dramas, and much prefer them. I also hate anything that is just a collection of 1 hour stories, like the standardized network cop drama. Think NCIS, or some other crap like that. A contained story over an hour episode. An hour is nowhere near long enough to develop a comprehensive plot, develop characters, build an environment, etc. They're almost universally unfinished. I want overarching season long or series long stories, full of detail, fully developed characters and environments that are all-encompassing and immersive.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I usually don't care for comedies on TV. There are a few that have pulled me in: Veep, Sunny, Brockmire, but other than that, it is pretty slim. Not sure why, I just find most of them to be boring, and not that funny. I usually stick to dramas, and much prefer them. I also hate anything that is just a collection of 1 hour stories, like the standardized network cop drama. Think NCIS, or some other crap like that. A contained story over an hour episode. An hour is nowhere near long enough to develop a comprehensive plot, develop characters, build an environment, etc. They're almost universally unfinished. I want overarching season long or series long stories, full of detail, fully developed characters and environments that are all-encompassing and immersive.
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I still love Big Bang Theory. I watch it in reruns and I still like it. Two and a Half Men was always good too. Even with Kutcher.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I still love Big Bang Theory. I watch it in reruns and I still like it. Two and a Half Men was always good too. Even with Kutcher.
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Shows with laugh tracks are permanently ruined for me. I never used to notice them, but now that is all I hear, and it annoys the hell out of me.
 
Kepler said:
Wait. I'm not even in this conversation. :confused:

But this show:



does sound excellent to me!

FWIW, current shows I really like:

Homecoming
Legion
Atlanta
The Good Place
Better Call Saul

The last 3 were ranked the three best shows on TV by TV Guide -- hardly snob material.
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TV Guide...how old are you? :p

The last 2 are very good though :)
 
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Handyman said:
TV Guide...how old are you? :p

The last 2 are very good though :)
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The Good Place is AFAIK the only show I've ever seen which is highly intellectually stimulating without sacrificing accessibility to the dummies. There have been plenty of clever shows (e.g. House) that were also popular, and there have been shows which have serious emotional depth (e.g., Atlanta) but are also popular, but TGP is a graduate seminar in ethics without being at all off-putting to people who are typically threatened by and thus dismissive of mature ideas. That's one helluva achievement.
 
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I like Brooklyn 9-9 but I will likely get bored with it soon. I've stuck with very few sitcoms from start to finish.
 
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The Good Place is AFAIK the only show I've ever seen which is highly intellectually stimulating without sacrificing accessibility to the dummies. There have been plenty of clever shows (e.g. House) that were also popular, and there have been shows which have serious emotional depth (e.g., Atlanta) but are also popular, but TGP is a graduate seminar in ethics without being at all off-putting to people who are typically threatened by and thus dismissive of mature ideas. That's one helluva achievement.
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It definitely puts my two semesters of Philosophy to good use. Plus all the characters don't sacrifice their story for the sake of the narrative the philosophy uses them to perfection.
 
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Handyman said:
It definitely puts my two semesters of Philosophy to good use. Plus all the characters don't sacrifice their story for the sake of the narrative the philosophy uses them to perfection.
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That's the thing, it works if you have 2 semesters of Philosophy or 20. Or none. And it doesn't pull that off the way a show like Spongebob does, where it's two completely different shows for high brow and low brow (or kid brow). The stuff that is working is exactly the same thing for the entire audience. We may be responding to it on different levels -- there are (really good) Strawson and Rawls jokes in the show I'm sure only about 0.05% of the audience gets -- but it's a difference in quantity, not kind. We are all responding to the same ethical situations and dilemmas and I think it's fantastic writing. It's the way good teaching works.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I usually don't care for comedies on TV. There are a few that have pulled me in: Veep, Sunny, Brockmire, but other than that, it is pretty slim. Not sure why, I just find most of them to be boring, and not that funny. I usually stick to dramas, and much prefer them. I also hate anything that is just a collection of 1 hour stories, like the standardized network cop drama. Think NCIS, or some other crap like that. A contained story over an hour episode. An hour is nowhere near long enough to develop a comprehensive plot, develop characters, build an environment, etc. They're almost universally unfinished. I want overarching season long or series long stories, full of detail, fully developed characters and environments that are all-encompassing and immersive.
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I can count on one hand the number of live action comedies I’ve liked. Ever.
 
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Also, the last network TV shows I considered great were House and Lost. Since then it’s been hit or miss. Gotham with Jerome was awesome. But other seasons have been boring.

The problem with network tv is that they don’t do serials. Just boring episodic, ctrl+a, ctrl+c, ctrl+v.
 
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Was Alcatraz network? That was intriguing until they went down the "criminal of the week" path and got cancelled.

Shows I am watching right now:
Better Call Saul
Mayans
Jessica Jones
Luke Cage (mainly to get his background, since he's in Jessica Jones a bit, and yes I know it's been cancelled; halfway through S2)
Queen Of The South
Narcos: Mexico

Pretty sure Mindhunter, Bad Blood, GLOW, and Dear White People will have future seasons. Dunno about Manhunt.

I think the last comedies I liked were Californication and The League (although the last 2 seasons of each pretty much sucked).
 
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Saw some of the latest of Leah Remini's A&E show on Scientology last week (because what the hell else does a guy on a work assignment in South Carolina do after dinner but watch this crap? :rolleyes:), and the stuff about what they have done to infiltrate the government and law enforcement of Clearwater, FL is mind-boggling to the point that if you didn't know Scientology was a gaslighting pseudoscience cult, you'd suspect the show was sensationalizing some of it.
 
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Saw some of the latest of Leah Remini's A&E show on Scientology last week (because what the hell else does a guy on a work assignment in South Carolina do after dinner but watch this crap? :rolleyes:), and the stuff about what they have done to infiltrate the government and law enforcement of Clearwater, FL is mind-boggling to the point that if you didn't know Scientology was a gaslighting pseudoscience cult, you'd suspect the show was sensationalizing some of it.
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The whole series is crazy and worth watching.
 
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For better or worse shows I'll watch on the regular if they continue making new seasons:

Shark Tank
60 Minutes
Brockmire
Atlanta
Top Chef
Berlin Station
Westworld
Mindhunter
Fargo
Narcos
Homeland
Gomorrah
I'm Dying up Here
Goliath
GLOW
AHS (although I've not watched every season)
TD sans S2
 
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Hey Kep, what do you and Dr. Mrs. think of this season of Crazy Ex GF? I know you were worried they were going to try and redeem Rebecca but so far they havent done that at all. Been very interesting so far though not the best season obviously.
 
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Handyman said:
Hey Kep, what do you and Dr. Mrs. think of this season of Crazy Ex GF? I know you were worried they were going to try and redeem Rebecca but so far they havent done that at all. Been very interesting so far though not the best season obviously.
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I'll ask She Who Must Be Obeyed. I lost the thread the prior season where she was trying to kill Josh, and as you said I hated the season finale. I also don't care about Paula so when they increased her portion of the show I lost interest. Pretty sure Dr. Mrs. still likes it, but it's not the Glorious You Must Watch This of S1.
 
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Slap Shot said:
For better or worse shows I'll watch on the regular if they continue making new seasons:

Shark Tank
60 Minutes
Brockmire
Atlanta
Top Chef
Berlin Station
Westworld
Mindhunter
Fargo
Narcos
Homeland
Gomorrah
I'm Dying up Here
Goliath
GLOW
AHS (although I've not watched every season)
TD sans S2
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Based on this list I recommend Counterpart and Killing Eve.
 
Kepler said:
I'll ask She Who Must Be Obeyed. I lost the thread the prior season where she was trying to kill Josh, and as you said I hated the season finale. I also don't care about Paula so when they increased her portion of the show I lost interest. Pretty sure Dr. Mrs. still likes it, but it's not the Glorious You Must Watch This of S1.
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Paula is barely on this season...just saying ;)

If it makes you feel better Rebecca is not being redeemed. She is not the hero. They pretend she is getting better then beat you over the head with the fact that she is still selfish and kinda awful.
 
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Handyman said:
Paula is barely on this season...just saying ;)

If it makes you feel better Rebecca is not being redeemed. She is not the hero. They pretend she is getting better then beat you over the head with the fact that she is still selfish and kinda awful.
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That is good. I like how horrible Rebecca is. The show is an experiment in making a central character beyond redemption and then exposing the shallowness and unreality of all the tropes of how character arcs in fiction always bring those characters back to The Good. Mrs. Maisel is doing the same thing but at a much more subtle level -- enough so that the audience hasn't figured it out, yet, nor, I suspect, the lead actress. Both of them are extremely subversive to the generic programming of TV of the past 50 years.
 
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