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TV: A Succession of Watchmen in The Good Place

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Caught up on west world. Season two was ok and three is ok at best so far. I think the Leftovers is a better hbo series if you wanna compare three season hbo dramas that make you suspend reality with good casting/acting
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Leftovers S1 was very good. After that they got lazy and the writing ate its own as-s.

Leftovers has great dramatic acting but the ideas don't hold up. They're mushy pop psych that is just a "ooo, weird" vehicle to heighten the drama, like Lost. The show is really about the relationships between the people, which is fine. But it does not feed the head, just the heart.

I agree the acting is great except for David Wright who my god you could have put a non-English speaking clothes horse in that role and done just as well.
 
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I don’t think Westworld feeds the head as much as you say. Not the first time we’ll disagree on a show or movie, and I’m sure it won’t be the last.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
I don’t think Westworld feeds the head as much as you say. Not the first time we’ll disagree on a show or movie, and I’m sure it won’t be the last.
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It has definitely lost a lot of intelligence since S1. The first season is the real deal, though.
 
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Re-watching old Dukes Of Hazzard DVDs...

Uncle Jesse: Atlanta? That city ain't been right since Sherman burned it down.

:D :D :D
 
Kepler said:
It has definitely lost a lot of intelligence since S1. The first season is the real deal, though.
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It fell real fast after season one. About as fast as the Windsor men lose their looks after age 25
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
It fell real fast after season one. About as fast as the Windsor men lose their looks after age 25
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That's cold.

WW S2 was still an interesting question, it just wasn't as interesting to me. S1 was "what is being?" S2 was "what is knowledge?" S3 seems to be "what is will?" And there you have the three fundamental questions of philosophy: ontology, epistemology, ethics. But so far S3 has been boom boom pew pew pew, which we started to see in S2. They are making the kind of concessions to mass audiences which they didn't make in S1 and still had a phenomenally successful show. So I feel a little like they betrayed the whole idea.

Now it's not as bad as Mr. Robot, which just stopped trying after S2 and became another children's show like Blacklist or Homeland. But WW slipped from so high that it's more embarrassing than anything else, like that reboot of Twilight Zone in the 80s.

The other show that belongs in this class is Legion S1, and it didn't either compromise or quit. It went off the rails, enough so that by the final season I thought they might be playing a practical joke (until the end which almost made up for the final two seasons' conspicuous consumption of psychedelics).
 
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I need to catch up on WW S3, and Legion 2/3.

I thought WWS2 was more like a child discovering that it could make choices. Where s1 was an infant discovering that there’s a world I’m a little sad to hear the reviews from you guys about S3.
 
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The latter seasons of Legion are a slog.

If you have only seen S1 take some advice FWIW: leave it be. S1 was so brilliant; imagine it ended there.

It isn't that S2-3 suck, exactly, but they wander. And not in a great let's take time to play this out way, in a "boat cut the mooring line and drifted into the current" way.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Oof, that line hasn’t aged well.
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Gotta remember, in the series, they think city-folk are simpletons, and don't have the country wisdom of truth-tellin' and being decent humans. One could almost say the show is meta, in a weird sorta way.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I need to catch up on WW S3, and Legion 2/3.

I thought WWS2 was more like a child discovering that it could make choices. Where s1 was an infant discovering that there’s a world I’m a little sad to hear the reviews from you guys about S3.
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Remember, WW is so head and shoulders above normal TV that we're only bemoaning how far it fell -- it is still light years better than almost every other show currently on.

And you may not have the reaction I am! I really like slow, plodding, cerebral stories where they don't give you anything to go on and you create it yourself. "The pictures are in your head." This is not a common aesthetic. Plenty of really smart people also like shows that are primarily action.

I'll put it this way: WW S3 is X Files at its very best. And that isn't bad at all. It just isn't "holy f-ck how, did they get anybody to greenlight this?" brilliant.

Maybe 10k people understood WW S1. 100k S2. 1M S3. It's still not for Republicans, don't worry. It definitely requires some thinking.

S3 is Crichton or Heinlein.

S2 was Clark or Asimov.

S1 was Lem or Sturgeon.
 
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The Rube said:
Gotta remember, in the series, they think city-folk are simpletons, and don't have the country wisdom of truth-tellin' and being decent humans. One could almost say the show is meta, in a weird sorta way.
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I agree with this.

The joke in Dukes is the joke in every country music song: the flyover "country stupid" people are actually the smart ones, putting on an act to give the elitist coastie city slickers their comeuppance.

We didn't realize until too late that no, that was just another myth. They really are stupid. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
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Kepler said:
I agree with this.

The joke in Dukes is the joke in every country music song: the "country stupid" people are actually the smart ones.

We didn't realize until too late that no, that was just another myth. They actually are stupid. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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They are trying to do good, but break so many laws and such....I mean in the first episode, they are stealing cop cars and such. :D
 
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Kepler said:
Remember, WW is so head and shoulders above normal TV that we're only bemoaning how far it fell -- it is still light years better than almost every other show currently on.

And you may not have the reaction I am! I really like slow, plodding, cerebral stories where they don't give you anything to go on and you create it yourself. "The pictures are in your head." This is not a common aesthetic. Plenty of really smart people also like shows that are primarily action.

I'll put it this way: WW S3 is X Files at its very best. And that isn't bad at all. It just isn't "holy f-ck how, did they get anybody to greenlight this?" brilliant.

Maybe 10k people understood WW S1. 100k S2. 1M S3. It's still not for Republicans, don't worry. It definitely requires some thinking.

S3 is Crichton or Heinlein.

S2 was Clark or Asimov.

S1 was Lem or Sturgeon.
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Hmmmmm

I haven’t given up hope. Thanks.
 
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Billions S3E9: For those who enjoyed John Malkovich's accent in "Rounders".
 
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