TV: A Succession of Watchmen in The Good Place

[Kepler]

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I had a friend many years ago who said, "if your middle name is Ray, Lee or Bob, there is about an 84% chance you will spend time in prison."

Isn't that every white male in the Midwest?

 

[SJHovey]

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Isn't that every white male in the Midwest?

For the upper midwest, I would say "no." I would be hard pressed to think of anyone I know who qualifies, although I'm sure there are many "Roberts." Now, go south of Kansas City...

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Isn't that every white male in the Midwest?

Don’t you mean the south? I’ve never heard of a Midwest person with a name like that

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Isn't that every white male in the Midwest?

I know some Bob's, but no Ray's or Lee's.

 

[Kepler]

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Don’t you mean the south? I’ve never heard of a Midwest person with a name like that

Interestingly there are not a lot of three namers in the South anymore, unless you count KY and WV as "the South." Girls are named for their budding stripper careers. Boys are named after firearms.

You mostly get three namers when a big family wants to hammer every relative into their brats' names. If you have five brothers it takes three two-namer boys to get every first name into the permutations.

True story: my best friend from high school went to Penn with a guy from an Olde Money Virginia family (the actual Lees) who was a five namer. He signed all formal correspondence with all five cuz he could. Nice kid. If you wonder what Light-Horse Harry Lee's great-great-great-great-great-great-grand daughter (his mom) is doing, she owns Anthem or Aetna or one of those companies. Money never sleeps.

 

[Handyman]

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I had a friend many years ago who said, "if your middle name is Ray, Lee or Bob, there is about an 84% chance you will spend time in prison."

The Netflix show is pretty fascinating, although it doesn't really rise to the level of Making a Murderer. I did want to know a little more about the part of the story dealing with the prosecution of the DA from Waco. Something in that part of the documentary just didn't seem to ring entirely true to me. It probably felt more incomplete than anything.

I have no doubt the feds and the Texas Rangers might conspire to take down someone who is looking to expose their bad conduct, but I really found it hard to believe the feds could find a dozen attorneys down there who were willing to come in and basically commit professional suicide by admitting to payment of bribes to the prosecutor in exchange for lenient treatment of their clients, just because the feds were threatening to look into their taxes. That doesn't make any sense.

The Texas judicial system has long been rife with concerns about substantial financial support paid by lawyers to judges for their re-election campaigns, and I assume the same is true for District Attorneys. I suspect they were able to prove a lot of financial payments to the DA from attorneys as campaign contributions, and tried to connect the dots to show that they were direct bribes in exchange for specific cases, but weren't able to prove it to the jury.

I assumed they had information on the lawyers to get them to do so. "Help us and we dont tell your wife you are screwing her sister" or "Say you took a bribe and get a deal or we will nail you for the bribe you actually made to someone else". The fact that they lost lost a Federal Case that big kind of backs up the idea it was a complete and total frame job. (as did the lawsuits)

 

[SJHovey]

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Interestingly there are not a lot of three namers in the South anymore, unless you count KY and WV as "the South."

According to this list, Lee has been one of the 10 most popular middle names in Alabama in every decade since 1900.

https://www.al.com/news/2016/05/most_common_middle_names.html

 

[Handyman]

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Binged the entire season this past week to get ready for the finale next week and I have to disagree, I thought the early episodes were great. Of course, I had the choice to immediately go onto the next episode, maybe I would’ve felt the same as you if I had to wait week to week.

Hard to believe everything will be wrapped up in just two hours, but Esmail said the entire story was originally supposed to be a movie, so I’m sure he’ll make it work.

Maybe...I just think they got sidetracked filling space. Even now, with me being to put the whole story together I still dont really think it was needed. I think over the years they twisted the dad storyline so much it got boring...to the point that the new revelation just didnt land. The scene itself is great, but I just didnt care. They seemed like they needed to fill 2 episodes and had characters they wanted to bring back for a bit and so here ya go. This would have worked better last season or earlier on. The Drug Dealer and the Shrink just arent relevant anymore.

I mean think about it...we got like 2 episodes of that and 1 episode where they do the big hack. Just doesnt sit right. Now we have what happened this episode and one 2 hour finale of fallout. I mean we are in an alternate dimension like White Rose planned this should be an entire arch not just a 2 hour finale!.

I dont doubt Esmail had this as a movie...makes sense actually. That is why some stories are so thin they almost dont matter. They took a 2-3 hour story and turned it into like 40. Overall though the last couple episodes have been very good though.

 

[geezer]

Watchmen stuck the landing. That's how you write an ending.

Seconded. It’s the best TV series ever made, and there’s so much potential downside that I’m crossing my fingers they don’t renew it. Listening to the last podcast ep now, and realized I’m going to enjoy the second viewing even more. I missed a couple of pretty major details the first time.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Seconded. It’s the best TV series ever made, and there’s so much potential downside that I’m crossing my fingers they don’t renew it. Listening to the last podcast ep now, and realized I’m going to enjoy the second viewing even more. I missed a couple of pretty major details the first time.

At one time I liked the idea of an anthology series. This was before I found out how many characters of Moore's Damon was going to use. Now, I agree, I don't think this lends itself to another season.

 

[Kepler]

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I’m crossing my fingers they don’t renew it.

Same here. Maybe in twenty years.

If West World and Mr. Robot had ended after one season they would be the clear #1 and #2 shows of all time. Stop Legion at season 1 and you have #3.

We are living in the golden age of television, and the first time since the 1930s that mass media productions are released for intelligent people without undue regard for the stupid. But studio/producer greed and bloat are still out there.

 

[The Rube]

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3 eps into the Henry Lee thing. VERY interesting.

And as far as the law goes, that is some classic "good ol' boy" law that is done in the south and VERY rural areas elsewhere in the country. No, the 3rd ring of outer suburbs does not count as rural.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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3 eps into the Henry Lee thing. VERY interesting.

And as far as the law goes, that is some classic "good ol' boy" law that is done in the south and VERY rural areas elsewhere in the country. No, the 3rd ring of outer suburbs does not count as rural.

Really gives one the warm fuzzies about law enforcement as a resident...

 

[Kepler]

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I didn't understand something from the Watchmen finale. I'll put it in white on white below. Please respond to it white on white, and don't quote mine since then it will be visible.

SPOILER!:

Right before Manhattan has Angela put the ring in his head he does "one more thing" which is to nip off to NYC and see Lou Gosset and make The Plan for how to trigger everything in Future Tulsa and defeat Trieu. But. Since Angela ate all of Lou Gosset's memories, why was she surprised about this later when he tells her it was Manhattan's Plan? She should know.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I didn't understand something from the Watchmen finale. I'll put it in white on white below. Please respond to it white on white, and don't quote mine since then it will be visible.

SPOILER!:

It's a good question but I think the answer is simply that the pills do not contain ALL his memories. Remember, Grandpa purposely gave her the pills and I bet he knows exactly what was in them and what was not.

 

[Kepler]

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That's an excellent answer. Now I can die in peace.

 

[Slap Shot]

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The Mandalorian EP7. This show has not been perfect by any means, but I went into it with zero expectations and it has been fun so far. And it's funny how even someone at my age gets such a kick out of every time Baby Yoda is on screen. btw when he looked at his hand when he didn't realize that Mando shot the bot was freaking priceless.

 

[geezer]

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That's an excellent answer. Now I can die in peace.

confession:
I think I'm in love with Angela, so even though I said I don't want another season, now I'm wondering if I can rest in peace without knowing whether the title of the last episode is a wordplay on the final scene (in addition to the first) and without knowing for sure what has/will/is become of my love.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Thank you guys for hiding them. I want to watch it with my fiance, but we're so busy and quite behind on our series.


I introduced her to Westworld last night. Mixed reviews from her. Hard for her to get past the violence. :-/

 

[Slap Shot]

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Yes, thanks for hiding. I really want to Watchmen but haven't got around to it yet. I think when I get back from Thailand it will be a good one to watch with my sons.