tUMD @ SCSU - Battle for First

[Deleted member 3166]

Re: tUMD @ SCSU - Battle for First

They do an exceptional job, for a student production. I have a good buddy that did the studio gig at SCSU as well. I am sure he would agree with me that most of the kids doing it aren't good. They have no experience and most of them are nervous as hell. Also, they are getting paid to do it, how is it not fair to knock them?

If I am paying money to watch the game, I don't want to listen to someone working out the kinks and stammering and fumbling for words. They have the radio broadcast, and the studio and the on-ice jobs for that. Let the play-by-play for the broadcast be handled by the pros.

So what if they get paid, it doesn't make them professionals, they're still students.
This year they are also all working with new equipment after the upgrade so even the experienced ones are still working with equipment they've never used before.
That said, it is one of the best student productions in the country as in the last 2 years, whatever contests Husky Productions has entered it has won so they must be doing something right.
And I'm sorry, but you paying for the game has ZERO bearing on whether the play by play is done by students or not.

 

[Biddco]

Re: tUMD @ SCSU - Battle for First

I don't remember his freshmen year so therefore he's a sophomore to me! Looks like he's got the less standard "Junior Slump".

 

[SCSU Euro]

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The first part is moved from the SCSU/DU thread

Player SV% GAA
Bobby Goepfert .924 2.24
Jase Weslosky .920 2.43
Mike Lee .917 2.66
Ryan Faragher .912 2.51

You can go with win percentage and hardware if you want, but that is obviously heavily influenced by the other players on the team. Faragher's numbers aren't better unless you are referring to winning percentage. And Faragher is the only one of these guys to play with a Hobey Baker winner or WCHA defensive player of the year, let alone both. If you use wins as the main factor for comparing players, this conversation can serve no further purpose.

Yes, we were losing with Faragher. More than we should have. We got 1 point out of 6 in a home series against the 6th place team in the conference. We went 1-4-2 over a 7 game stretch. Then won 2 of the next 3 despite allowing 15 goals. The NCHC isn't even strong this year. As of now the conference would get 2 teams in the tourney.

Still not understanding what would've been scary if Lindgren had gotten lit up. We lose a game? We have to put Phillipi in? The arena collapses? We are forced to forfeit our remaining games for embarrassing ourselves?

First off, I was counting winning percentage, which you left off.

Faragher 46-30-8 .595%
Goepfert 58-39-15 .585% (total) 37-24-11 .590% (at SCSU)
Weslosky 37-27-4 .574%
Lee 31-29-9 .514%

Cause as Herm Edwards has pointed out... turns out you play to win the game. Yes win percentage is heavily influenced by other people on the team, but so are those other numbers. I remember in the early 2000s the Gophers having such a high scoring offense and such a solid D that teams took any and every shot they could on net on whatever sieve they had out there because the Gophers weakest link was clearly their goaltending. That helped their save percentage. Also, the great defense certainly helped their goals against too.

And for the record, Lee did play with the Hobey Baker and WCHA Defensive POTY, just not the years they won the award. Weslosky got to play with LeBlanc and Raboin. You act like we had bums all the years those other guys played.

You seem to think that we can't ever lose. Yeah, we lost and tied to the 6th place team. We also swept the 2nd best team in their building earlier in the season, and the Friday win was almost entirely on the back of Faragher.

Bottom line: numbers won't solve anything. But if you asked me to pick a goalie while he was at SCSU to play in a game where my life was on the line, I'd go Goepfert first, and despite being more talented, if we're talking while at SCSU, I would take Faragher over Lee. Proof's in the pudding. And Weslosky wouldn't be in the conversation.

I don't remember his freshmen year so therefore he's a sophomore to me! Looks like he's got the less standard "Junior Slump".

His freshman year was the year Mike Lee got hurt, he filled in for like the 2nd and 3rd quarter of the season and then Lee came back. You only played us once, the last series of the season, and Lee was healthy and gave us the 3 points we needed for home ice, and Faragher never played a minute of that series.

"The More You Know..."

 

[scsutommyboy]

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They do an exceptional job, for a student production. I have a good buddy that did the studio gig at SCSU as well. I am sure he would agree with me that most of the kids doing it aren't good. They have no experience and most of them are nervous as hell. Also, they are getting paid to do it, how is it not fair to knock them?

If I am paying money to watch the game, I don't want to listen to someone working out the kinks and stammering and fumbling for words. They have the radio broadcast, and the studio and the on-ice jobs for that. Let the play-by-play for the broadcast be handled by the pros.

The people who did it when was there didn't fumble for words and were every bit as good as Jim Rich. Guys like Matvick got most of his play by play exepreience at SCSU. When he was at FSN he did sideline stuff and ESPN hired him. If a person is good it doesn't matter their age. Zach Fisch was better than Rich in college and better than Don Lyons. Terhar does a good job on the radio side, but I liked the idea of having a young good play by play guy who could become the voice of the Huskies for a long time.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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Good goalies are hard to judge. So many things come into play. Faragher is a very good goalie, but for whatever reason when he is off he is really off. He is still the guy for this team if he starts playing like I know he can play. The great thing is if he doesn't we have a freshman with big game experience and he seems to want to be the man in abad way. That is never a bad thing.

 

[The Exiled One]

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I'd go Goepfert first, and despite being more talented, if we're talking while at SCSU, I would take Faragher over Lee. Proof's in the pudding. And Weslosky wouldn't be in the conversation.

Brimsek>LoPresti>Goepfert/Meyer>Faragher/Lee

Stats are difficult to judge era to era. It's better to go by relative success. Brimsek was arguably the best amateur goalie in the world during his time with SCSU. LoPresti was right behind him. Meyer was an All-American goalie and 1st Team All-WCHA. He was a better college goalie than Lee or Faragher. I'd say Meyer was on par with Goepfert.

FYI, Weasler and Leitza were also named to the All-WCHA second team.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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So what if they get paid, it doesn't make them professionals, they're still students.
This year they are also all working with new equipment after the upgrade so even the experienced ones are still working with equipment they've never used before.
That said, it is one of the best student productions in the country as in the last 2 years, whatever contests Husky Productions has entered it has won so they must be doing something right.
And I'm sorry, but you paying for the game has ZERO bearing on whether the play by play is done by students or not.

I am not verbally abusing six year olds. These are adults, who are being paid to do a job on television, visible to thousands of people. They are not off-limits for criticism. Your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't make me feel bad.

They are not better than professionals. If they were, they would have the jobs that Terhaar and Rich have or better. Zack Fisch did a great job when he was here. In fact, I would listen to the student broadcast over KNSI if I couldn't watch the game. But if he was really better than Terhaar or Rich, why was he passed over for those jobs? If you would rather have it all student-run with students doing PBP and color, great. But I doubt that is the majority opinion.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

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I am not verbally abusing six year olds. These are adults, who are being paid to do a job on television, visible to thousands of people. They are not off-limits for criticism. Your holier-than-thou attitude doesn't make me feel bad.

They are not better than professionals. If they were, they would have the jobs that Terhaar and Rich have or better. Zack Fisch did a great job when he was here. In fact, I would listen to the student broadcast over KNSI if I couldn't watch the game. But if he was really better than Terhaar or Rich, why was he passed over for those jobs? If you would rather have it all student-run with students doing PBP and color, great. But I doubt that is the majority opinion.

No kidding they aren't professionals, I said that already, they are students, my comment on professionals was that you seem to think that them being paid means you get to criticize them.
My argument is whether they get paid or not, they are students and as students, they are still learning on this equipment and in the games they are working, right up until they graduate.
They probably take the fact they would be criticized for the broadcasts as a compliment because if they are getting looked at in that regard, they are likely more professional than other student broadcasts which could be another reason why they win so much against other student productions.
I will say this though, a lot of midwest professional networks hire SCSU grads so again, they must be doing something right.
I don't know, and I don't care why Fisch wasn't hired, I don't make hiring decisions for KNSI and considering Rich's position wasn't open, I don't even know why you brought him up at all.
Point is the broadcasts are done by a very good group of students and other than Rich and Parrish, it is all done by students, so if you want to criticize that be my guest, but just keep in mind that without HP, Husky games aren't on at all as I don't see anyone banging down the doors to do our games.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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First off, I was counting winning percentage, which you left off.

Faragher 46-30-8 .595%
Goepfert 58-39-15 .585% (total) 37-24-11 .590% (at SCSU)
Weslosky 37-27-4 .574%
Lee 31-29-9 .514%

Cause as Herm Edwards has pointed out... turns out you play to win the game. Yes win percentage is heavily influenced by other people on the team, but so are those other numbers. I remember in the early 2000s the Gophers having such a high scoring offense and such a solid D that teams took any and every shot they could on net on whatever sieve they had out there because the Gophers weakest link was clearly their goaltending. That helped their save percentage. Also, the great defense certainly helped their goals against too.

Antii Niemi has a higher win percentage than Martin Brodeur. Jaroslav Halak has a higher win percentage than Patrick Roy. They must be better goalies, because something Herm Edwards said. Faragher wasn't even in the top 20 in the country in SV% or GAA last season, but somehow he was the main reason we won hardware?

And for the record, Lee did play with the Hobey Baker and WCHA Defensive POTY, just not the years they won the award. Weslosky got to play with LeBlanc and Raboin. You act like we had bums all the years those other guys played.

So then he didn't play with the Hobey or WCHA DPOY, he played with a couple guys who would win those awards a couple years later after they became better players.

You seem to think that we can't ever lose. Yeah, we lost and tied to the 6th place team. We also swept the 2nd best team in their building earlier in the season, and the Friday win was almost entirely on the back of Faragher.

That isn't true as evidenced by my questions that you chose not to respond to:
Still not understanding what would've been scary if Lindgren had gotten lit up. We lose a game? We have to put Phillipi in? The arena collapses? We are forced to forfeit our remaining games for embarrassing ourselves?

 

[Biddco]

Re: tUMD @ SCSU - Battle for First

His freshman year was the year Mike Lee got hurt, he filled in for like the 2nd and 3rd quarter of the season and then Lee came back. You only played us once, the last series of the season, and Lee was healthy and gave us the 3 points we needed for home ice, and Faragher never played a minute of that series.

"The More You Know..."

That's why I don't remember him. Didn't see him play!

Aaron Crandall wins another Goalie of the Week Award! Didn't see this great play coming from him but he's been very good during our unbeaten streak.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

That's why I don't remember him. Didn't see him play!

Aaron Crandall wins another Goalie of the Week Award! Didn't see this great play coming from him but he's been very good during our unbeaten streak.

Bold prediction: He won't win it this week.

 

[5MinMajor]

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No kidding they aren't professionals, I said that already, they are students, my comment on professionals was that you seem to think that them being paid means you get to criticize them.
My argument is whether they get paid or not, they are students and as students, they are still learning on this equipment and in the games they are working, right up until they graduate.
They probably take the fact they would be criticized for the broadcasts as a compliment because if they are getting looked at in that regard, they are likely more professional than other student broadcasts which could be another reason why they win so much against other student productions.
I will say this though, a lot of midwest professional networks hire SCSU grads so again, they must be doing something right.
I don't know, and I don't care why Fisch wasn't hired, I don't make hiring decisions for KNSI and considering Rich's position wasn't open, I don't even know why you brought him up at all.
Point is the broadcasts are done by a very good group of students and other than Rich and Parrish, it is all done by students, so if you want to criticize that be my guest, but just keep in mind that without HP, Husky games aren't on at all as I don't see anyone banging down the doors to do our games.

I wasn't going to weigh in on this, but I changed my mind. I'm an '08 grad who worked on HP for 3 1/2 of my 4 years there (two years of that were on-air). UTVS gave us some great experience before getting into the professional field, but there's nothing anywhere in the country that gets us the experience that HP does.

Obviously as a student it would be awesome to be able to do pxp or color, but being able to work with people like Rob Hudson and Jim Rich who worked professionally in the field and gave us tips and other advice is invaluable.

And trust me the $40 a game we made was not why we did the broadcast, it was all about experience (plus winning the national awards helps).

Sitting at home watching professional Gopher and/or other team broadcast has me wishing SCSU could have the same, but I can't ever say I'd want the student broadcast to go away because of what it did for me.

 

[Biddco]

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Bold prediction: He won't win it this week.

That's awfully bold. Forgot that UMD hasn't won a regular season game in St. Cloud since 2004 Saw Tech break their winless streak in St. Cloud and its time for UMD to do the same.

 

[Dude Love]

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Basically the only good point Tipsy has had in this thread is that winning percentage is a completely garbage stat when trying to determine who is/isn't a good goalie.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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Basically the only good point Tipsy has had in this thread is that winning percentage is a completely garbage stat when trying to determine who is/isn't a good goalie.

Throw out another topic of conversation. I am ready to give more bad takes.

 

[The Rube]

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Throw out another topic of conversation. I am ready to give more bad takes.

SOG is an overrated stat. Your thoughts?

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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SOG is an overrated stat. Your thoughts?

I read that in NHL games having more SOG is highly correlated to losing. So, no, it is not an overrated stat, but if people are using the fact that their team had more SOG to prove they played the better game, I would say that they don't know what they are talking about.

 

[The Rube]

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I read that in NHL games having more SOG is highly correlated to losing. So, no, it is not an overrated stat, but if people are using the fact that their team had more SOG to prove they played the better game, I would say that they don't know what they are talking about.

Mother of God. We agree on something.

 

[SCSU Euro]

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Antii Niemi has a higher win percentage than Martin Brodeur. Jaroslav Halak has a higher win percentage than Patrick Roy. They must be better goalies, because something Herm Edwards said.

Yes... that's exactly what I said. By the way, how many of those goalies in the top 20 were from garbage conferences?

That isn't true as evidenced by my questions that you chose not to respond to:
Still not understanding what would've been scary if Lindgren had gotten lit up. We lose a game? We have to put Phillipi in? The arena collapses? We are forced to forfeit our remaining games for embarrassing ourselves?

Ummm... I didn't respond to it because everything that followed the colon was dumb as ****. Is that enough of a response?

SOG is an overrated stat. Your thoughts?

Stop MNSing in our thread and do it in your own thread

 

[The Rube]

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Yes... that's exactly what I said. By the way, how many of those goalies in the top 20 were from garbage conferences?



Ummm... I didn't respond to it because everything that followed the colon was dumb as ****. Is that enough of a response?



Stop MNSing in our thread and do it in your own thread

Our thread is boring b/c MI fans suck. I look forward to this thread every year. How do you like the apples of that particular variety?