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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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Drew S. said:
There has been a large increase in opiate deaths in the Northeast and Clinton obviously won all of those states. I don't think it had much effect on the outcome.
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Colbert was right that post-fact is just truthiness in disguise. Again, you're arguing with math:

https://medium.com/@kfrydl/the-oxy-electorate-3fa62765f837#.4te6doh2v

In fact, other states that remained in the Democratic column show evidence of these same dynamics. New Hampshire and New Mexico, rocked with overdose rates that rank among the highest in the nation, also saw a surge in rural voters in favor of Trump in counties that had no drop-off in overall turnout. Since individual states award the electoral college based upon the popular vote, the “new” voter that Trump was able to produce, convert, or excite suggests that, if this momentum is sustained and unchecked, Democrats will confront an even more unfriendly electoral map in the next election.
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mookie1995 said:
So only career inside politicians are supposed to be head of state?

Heaven forbid you start a business. Employ people.

God that is stupid.

Citizen politician

Just like the founders envisioned ;)
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Your trolling attempts are getting weaker. Whats the matter Drudge having issues loading at work ;)
 
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Drew S. said:
I might have her mixed but with someone else, but I beleive she is an extremist on gun control. If she's the person I'm thinking of, is right there with Bloomberg. No way that plays well in a general election.
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It wont matter, the Right had Hillary painted as a gun extremist despite the fact that every drop of evidence and everything she said proved otherwise. Gillibrand would be no worse off...

FWIW she has flip flopped on Gun Control over the years.
 
Handyman said:
Your trolling attempts are getting weaker. Whats the matter Drudge having issues loading at work ;)
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Can't say Mookie has ever looked at drudge in his life :D


Just can't get passed the idiocy of anyone saying tangible property should go into a blind trust. That is just not possible :)
 
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joecct said:
The bench is pretty bare. DWS concentrated on the House & Senate and ignored the state races.

You need governors in the midwest. You don't have them. If this election proved anything, ignoring/alienating "flyover" USA can be a mistake.
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That can be overstated, though. I mean it's not any more than the last two elections "proved" ignoring/alienating educated America can be a mistake.

The problem with tribal parties is they don't allow much room for growth outside the tribe. If your message to the voters is "thar be monsters," whether the thar is flyover or educated America you're not going to appeal to too many folks thar.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Colbert was right that post-fact is just truthiness in disguise. Again, you're arguing with math:

https://medium.com/@kfrydl/the-oxy-electorate-3fa62765f837#.4te6doh2v
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From that same article...
Although the apparent correlation between the places most under siege by the opioid epidemic and those that flipped or went more heavily for Trump is striking, it is only suggestive...
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i.e. a **** ton of places went from Obama to Trump and a **** ton of places have opioid epidemics.

Even more interesting in that article is the way Eric Holder not only represented the maker of Oxycontin but also worked with that company as AG to limit its penalties for causing the epidemic.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
Edit: to the second part of your post, I guess I haven't seen the pity that some of these people are getting. A lot of that probably has to do with my significant other being a pharmacist and so I am not around a lot of people who feel bad for drug abusers.
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I guess what seems odd to me is that when black drug use in the inner cities is the topic in the political sphere, it's typically phrased in terms like "thugs" or "welfare dependency" -- the emphasis is on punishment. But now that we have widespread white drug use it's "a national health epidemic" and "we need to address the root economic causes." Unless of course it's black drug dealer going out to the country, in which case you get this.

It's good that we're going to concentrate on the medical, psychological and economic roots of white poverty to address the drug problem. I just wish the same people clutching their jewelry about it had the same reaction towards a nearly identical problem with identical causes that happened to befall a community they could make hay by demonizing.
 
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Kepler said:
I guess what seems odd to me is that when black drug use in the inner cities is the topic in the political sphere, it's typically phrased in terms like "thugs" or "welfare dependency" -- the emphasis is on punishment. But now that we have widespread white drug use it's "a national health epidemic" and "we need to address the root economic causes." Unless of course it's black drug dealer going out to the country, in which case you get this.

It's good that we're going to concentrate on the medical, psychological and economic roots of white poverty to address the drug problem. I just wish the same people clutching their jewelry about it had the same reaction towards a nearly identical problem with identical causes that happened to befall a community they could make hay by demonizing.
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If you have people in Chicago shooting each other constantly, it seems appropriate to focus on punishment.

If you have an entire nation shooting each other constantly, it seems appropriate to talk about "what's wrong with our country."

Not saying either is right, just that when something is isolated to a specific region or even race it's "their" problem instead of it now being "everyone's problem."
 
Handyman said:
It wont matter, the Right had Hillary painted as a gun extremist despite the fact that every drop of evidence and everything she said proved otherwise. Gillibrand would be no worse off...

FWIW she has flip flopped on Gun Control over the years.
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I didn't realize she was pro-gun at one point. You're probably right that dem candidate doesn't get many votes from gun owners anyway.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Frankly, I'd rather see the NYT et al just drop the issue because it's a distraction and a political loser. Holding press conferences only matters if you're a women running for president. If people didn't care about the traditions of candidates releasing taxes and presidents placing business interests in blind trusts, they're sure as hell not going to care about some press pool tradition. What is even gained if Trump provides a sit-down interview? He can roll through talking points and lies.

The better strategy is to stick to the investigative work detailing Trump's businesses--the way they preyed on the vulnerable during the recession, and the way he's using the presidency to fill his own pockets. You don't need "access" for that.
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Well yeah. Agree completely. But that would require "journalists" actually doing their jobs.

But we don't have that anymore. Now it's, "Repubs say this. The Democrats disagree. Who's to say who is correct?"
 
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mookie1995 said:
Just like the founders envisioned ;)
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The founders certainly envisioned the potential for a president to use his position to negotiate personal business deals with foreign countries, but they weren't exactly keen on it.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
From that same article...

i.e. a **** ton of places went from Obama to Trump and a **** ton of places have opioid epidemics.
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You're correct that correlation is not the same as causation, and by itself it is not explanatory. Which is why I also posted the explanation earlier: https://twitter.com/Chris_arnade/status/798358092241059841

cF[Authentic] said:
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Good work, gumshoe! Now all you need is evidence and you've cracked the case!
 
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