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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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Kepler said:
When liberalism got into bed with the hippy dippies in the early 70s they de-legitimized the left for 30 years. The same thing is happening now with conservatives and the alt-right. If they're not careful they're going to wake up to a world where the entire American electorate outside of their base associates conservative dogma with Trump's personal characteristics and the Breitbart brand of cut throat reaction.
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Interesting. But it may not work out that way. An inherent strength of the right is their focus on competition, that is the ability to 'not play nice' and even slander. Then this carries over to perception of liberals on various issues for +50% of the population. See the hippies, Bill Clinton, etc. I'm just not sure the extent that the alt-right will be tied to the GOP to the same extent. The left is not about straight up competition but rather problem solving.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
Everyone is doing it, not just those who voted Trump.
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I'm not sure why you're attacking the poster. It seems clear to me that for years inner city blacks have been demonized for their drug use, while now rural whites are being pitied for theirs.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Not all "us":
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Several possible reasons for this, although no proof.

From the article:
...to get their politics stories to spread on Facebook
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. Democratic voters tend to be younger and many of the younger people aren't on Facebook. Yes, there are still a lot but I'd say there are more Trump supporters in the U.S. than Bernie that are on Facebook. It's demographics... those uneducated white folk you keep talking about tend to spend more time on Facebook than the super-educated young people in the Democratic party.

Additionally, Bernie didn't win the Democratic nomination so comparing the top candidate for the Republican party and a lesser supported candidate from the Democratic party isn't quite equal.

Again, just pointing out there are probably some reasons for the big difference but no proof.
 
Handyman said:
I have sseen Gillibrand speak...she would be a great candidate IMHO.
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I might have her mixed but with someone else, but I beleive she is an extremist on gun control. If she's the person I'm thinking of, is right there with Bloomberg. No way that plays well in a general election.
 
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How come people can't grasp the difference between putting your IBM stock into a blind trust vs putting your hotel?
 
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joecct said:
The fun/scary part - what if the pilot is taking us to a destination where noone has gone before?

Washington has stopped functioning. You know it, I know it. I believe most of this thread also knows it. The States are headed the same way, with some having already left reality.

Something has to stop this march to destruction. tD will either push us over the edge or cause us to slap ourselves and ask WTH are we doing?
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How has that been working out for Kansas? You know, the state whose Supreme Court told them they were cutting school funding to unconstitutional levels? Or whose infrastructure is falling apart?

Yeah, those far right policies have worked wonders.
 
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The bench is pretty bare. DWS concentrated on the House & Senate and ignored the state races.

You need governors in the midwest. You don't have them. If this election proved anything, ignoring/alienating "flyover" USA can be a mistake.
 
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aparch said:
Had an interesting phone call with an older family friend last night that left me [ ] close to veering for a tree out of frustration.

Friend: "Well, I'm glad that lying b*tch Hillary didn't win."

Me: You do realize that Trump lied a lot more, mocked the disabled, told a military family to pound sand, physically assaulted women, and you still voted for him?

F: Yep, because at least it's not Hillary. He'll clean out crap like her.

Me: You mean by replacing politicians like her with retread Republicans that already got thrown out years ago?

F: *Pause* He'll get it done.

Me: *Internally screaming* *long pause* So have you heard Paul Ryan wants to cut your Medicare.

F: Yeah, I just read that in AARP. And our union newsletter. Cut Medicare, Social Security, and take my union pension away!

Me: And with a Republican in the White House, a Republican majority Congress, they can just rubber stamp the changes into effect.

F: Well, they said they'd out up a fight, and fight like hell to keep it.

Me: Who said?

F: (Named two bluer than blue Democrats that I cannot remember).

Me: They can't do much if the Republican Congress passes it and the Republican President okays it.

F: Trump won't 'em do that.

Me: *silently contemplates driving into the median at 70 MPH*

Me: Alright, well I have to go, traffic is terrible. Talk later.
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No disrespect intended, but I don't know why people would get involved in a conversation like this. Your friend obviously has strong feelings about the election, as do most, apparently. When someone makes an opening statement like your friend's, the last thing anyone should do is just come out blazing.

Your friend's opinion isn't going to be changed by anything you say, no matter how accurate or logical. All that will happen is each response will be an escalation of the prior response until you both are so upset that someone will say something they truly regret.

And really, what was the point of that conversation? Was anything accomplished?

My response to statements like your friend's is usually something like, "Um, oh yeah?" Let them vent. An argument with only one person arguing lasts about two minutes, tops.
 
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mookie1995 said:
How come people can't grasp the difference between putting your IBM stock into a blind trust vs putting your hotel?
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The CEO of IBM wasn't sitting in on phone calls between the president and foreign leaders. I'm not sure why mookie can't grasp that, but that is mookie's problem.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm not sure why you're attacking the poster. It seems clear to me that for years inner city blacks have been demonized for their drug use, while now rural whites are being pitied for theirs.
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I looked for the author's maps that he was using but haven't been able to find them. On Twitter, they did post this map about drug overdose and this map about voting changes. Unfortunately, the drug map is from 2014 as I haven't been able to find a 2016. If someone sees one, please post it.

I definitely see a correlation between increased drug overdose and Trump voters in WV, KY, TN, and OK. As well as Florida and a couple other states.

However, there also is a very strong correlation between drug overdose and Clinton voters in Utah and California.

I think the most telling part of the two maps is the lack of a correlation between the two down the center of the U.S. as well as the swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and even a majority of Ohio.

Additionally, the problem of drug overdoses in the West from 1999 - 2014 is a big example of how major of a problem it has become. It was always bad in WV and KY, but it has spread to the rest of the country.

While I'm probably not looking at the maps he did, I don't see the major correlation that people claim to be there. I could be missing something though.

Edit: to the second part of your post, I guess I haven't seen the pity that some of these people are getting. A lot of that probably has to do with my significant other being a pharmacist and so I am not around a lot of people who feel bad for drug abusers.
 
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cF[Authentic] said:
I looked for the author's maps that he was using but haven't been able to find them. On Twitter, they did post this map about drug overdose and this map about voting changes. Unfortunately, the drug map is from 2014 as I haven't been able to find a 2016. If someone sees one, please post it.

I definitely see a correlation between increased drug overdose and Trump voters in WV, KY, TN, and OK. As well as Florida and a couple other states.

However, there also is a very strong correlation between drug overdose and Clinton voters in Utah and California.

I think the most telling part of the two maps is the lack of a correlation between the two down the center of the U.S. as well as the swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and even a majority of Ohio.

Additionally, the problem of drug overdoses in the West from 1999 - 2014 is a big example of how major of a problem it has become. It was always bad in WV and KY, but it has spread to the rest of the country.

While I'm probably not looking at the maps he did, I don't see the major correlation that people claim to be there. I could be missing something though.

Edit: to the second part of your post, I guess I haven't seen the pity that some of these people are getting. A lot of that probably has to do with my significant other being a pharmacist and so I am not around a lot of people who feel bad for drug abusers.
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There has been a large increase in opiate deaths in the Northeast and Clinton obviously won all of those states. I don't think it had much effect on the outcome.
 
SJHovey said:
No disrespect intended, but I don't know why people would get involved in a conversation like this. Your friend obviously has strong feelings about the election, as do most, apparently. When someone makes an opening statement like your friend's, the last thing anyone should do is just come out blazing.

Your friend's opinion isn't going to be changed by anything you say, no matter how accurate or logical. All that will happen is each response will be an escalation of the prior response until you both are so upset that someone will say something they truly regret.

And really, what was the point of that conversation? Was anything accomplished?

My response to statements like your friend's is usually something like, "Um, oh yeah?" Let them vent. An argument with only one person arguing lasts about two minutes, tops.
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I don't see what's wrong with bringing up facts or opposing viewpoints. If someone wants to sit on their own truthiness, that's on them. It shouldn't be looked at as bad to try to have someone explain the reasoning behind their views.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
I don't see what's wrong with bringing up facts or opposing viewpoints. If someone wants to sit on their own truthiness, that's on them. It shouldn't be looked at as bad to try to have someone explain the reasoning behind their views.
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Because it's a waste of both people's time. aparch and his friend were both set to opposite sides of the debate and neither was going to be persuaded otherwise. I have a brother who likes to go off on politics. I let him vent until he's said his piece. He's the sort of man where once he's decided something he will not change his mind, and he can get rather, um, emphatic in his digressions. Why would I engage him in a discussion where we don't agree?
 
MaizeRage said:
The CEO of IBM wasn't sitting in on phone calls between the president and foreign leaders. I'm not sure why mookie can't grasp that, but that is mookie's problem.
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So only career inside politicians are supposed to be head of state?

Heaven forbid you start a business. Employ people.

God that is stupid.

Citizen politician

Just like the founders envisioned ;)
 
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