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TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
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Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
I don't know anyone from the 203 area code, so no, it wasn't me.
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GLM - I thought the omission of Detroit was strange - but then again, I think his list was about tortured fanbases of teams that come close to winning it all at least once in awhile. Detroit is usually so bad that the fans know they aren't going anywhere and have no expectations as a result of that. That's what makes the Vikings such an evil franchise - they're usually a pretty good team, they typically make the playoffs, and every few years they go to the conference title game and find a ridiculous way to lose it. The 41-0 loss to the Giants where the team basically gave up 5 minutes in was far less traumatic than this year or the loss to the Falcons or the one before that to the Redskins. The team had a realistic chance of winning those three games and somehow found a way to lose.
In NFL terms, 49 years IS never. It's not like baseball which has been around for more than 100 years. The NFL is a relatively young league.I see your 49 years, and raise you "never".
GLM - I thought the omission of Detroit was strange - but then again, I think his list was about tortured fanbases of teams that come close to winning it all at least once in awhile. Detroit is usually so bad that the fans know they aren't going anywhere and have no expectations as a result of that. That's what makes the Vikings such an evil franchise - they're usually a pretty good team, they typically make the playoffs, and every few years they go to the conference title game and find a ridiculous way to lose it. The 41-0 loss to the Giants where the team basically gave up 5 minutes in was far less traumatic than this year or the loss to the Falcons or the one before that to the Redskins. The team had a realistic chance of winning those three games and somehow found a way to lose.
GreatLakerMohawk
Mushroom Cloud-Laying Mofo
Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
Brett Favre getting his whole "legend" thing started because Detroit was too dumb to cover Sterling Sharpe two years in a row is pretty infuriating. Getting humiliated by a very good Redskins team in 1991 was humbling but understandable. Having Barry Sanders, the very definition of what an MVP should be, have to share the MVP award one year with Cheesehead Jesus is about as insulting as it gets.
Missing out on a playoff spot because of both Stoney F-cking Case and Paul Edinger making a kick for the Bears is infuriating beyond belief. Having Bobby Layne actually curse out the Lions organization upon being traded to Pittsburgh in the late 50s provides some actual drama to the story. Simmons is one who should respect curses since he bought into one created by a moron Boston writer. I guess an actual one isn't quite as interesting though.
Brett Favre getting his whole "legend" thing started because Detroit was too dumb to cover Sterling Sharpe two years in a row is pretty infuriating. Getting humiliated by a very good Redskins team in 1991 was humbling but understandable. Having Barry Sanders, the very definition of what an MVP should be, have to share the MVP award one year with Cheesehead Jesus is about as insulting as it gets.
Missing out on a playoff spot because of both Stoney F-cking Case and Paul Edinger making a kick for the Bears is infuriating beyond belief. Having Bobby Layne actually curse out the Lions organization upon being traded to Pittsburgh in the late 50s provides some actual drama to the story. Simmons is one who should respect curses since he bought into one created by a moron Boston writer. I guess an actual one isn't quite as interesting though.
Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
And on Christmas Eve, to boot. My first (and last) Lions game ever.
And on Christmas Eve, to boot. My first (and last) Lions game ever.
Twitch Boy
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The team was just the first team in NFL history to go 0-16. They definitely have the "unassociated fan sympathy" requirement down. If the Lions ever made the Super Bowl, they'd have every NFL fan across the country rooting for them. I was kind of surprised to see that, even if Lions fans don't have any expectations.
And what about the '07 season where they started 6-2? Then again, I don't think the Lions fans bit on that one - they knew the hammer was falling.
We can't even win at losing
The team was just the first team in NFL history to go 0-16. They definitely have the "unassociated fan sympathy" requirement down. If the Lions ever made the Super Bowl, they'd have every NFL fan across the country rooting for them. I was kind of surprised to see that, even if Lions fans don't have any expectations.
And what about the '07 season where they started 6-2? Then again, I don't think the Lions fans bit on that one - they knew the hammer was falling.
We can't even win at losing
IrishWildcat
Holding onto what I haven't got
Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
Whoa whoa whoa. Hold the phone there. Simmons never bought into the supposed "Curse of the Bambino." He constantly said it was a ploy by Boston Globe writer Dan Shaughnessy, who wrote an entire "history" on the topic in 1991 and proceeded to make millions off said "curse."
As far as the Lions, they aren't a tortured team ebcause, as stated both in the column and here, the fan base has pretty much given up. Furthermore, the Wings, and to a smaller degree the Pistons, have had enough success lately that there's a diversion for Lions fans. Granted, the entire city of Detroit is pretty depressing as it is, but that's an issue that not even the likes of Bill Simmons cna handle.
That being said, the Vikings are becoming a depressing franchise, bordering on Red-Soxian levels of frustration. To be so close to victory, only to have it snatched away at thelast second...it's excruciating. To all you Vikings fans...Believe me, as a Sox (and a UNH Wildcats) fan, life cannot be very easy right now.
But these are the times that try your sports soul. It is in these dark moments that you truly have your tests of faith. And There will be a day when you reap those fruits. One day your Vikigs will have their glory. And even if it comes at the cost of my beloved Patriots, I'll smile for you Minnesota. You deserve it.
Brett Favre getting his whole "legend" thing started because Detroit was too dumb to cover Sterling Sharpe two years in a row is pretty infuriating. Getting humiliated by a very good Redskins team in 1991 was humbling but understandable. Having Barry Sanders, the very definition of what an MVP should be, have to share the MVP award one year with Cheesehead Jesus is about as insulting as it gets.
Missing out on a playoff spot because of both Stoney F-cking Case and Paul Edinger making a kick for the Bears is infuriating beyond belief. Having Bobby Layne actually curse out the Lions organization upon being traded to Pittsburgh in the late 50s provides some actual drama to the story. Simmons is one who should respect curses since he bought into one created by a moron Boston writer. I guess an actual one isn't quite as interesting though.
Whoa whoa whoa. Hold the phone there. Simmons never bought into the supposed "Curse of the Bambino." He constantly said it was a ploy by Boston Globe writer Dan Shaughnessy, who wrote an entire "history" on the topic in 1991 and proceeded to make millions off said "curse."
As far as the Lions, they aren't a tortured team ebcause, as stated both in the column and here, the fan base has pretty much given up. Furthermore, the Wings, and to a smaller degree the Pistons, have had enough success lately that there's a diversion for Lions fans. Granted, the entire city of Detroit is pretty depressing as it is, but that's an issue that not even the likes of Bill Simmons cna handle.
That being said, the Vikings are becoming a depressing franchise, bordering on Red-Soxian levels of frustration. To be so close to victory, only to have it snatched away at thelast second...it's excruciating. To all you Vikings fans...Believe me, as a Sox (and a UNH Wildcats) fan, life cannot be very easy right now.
But these are the times that try your sports soul. It is in these dark moments that you truly have your tests of faith. And There will be a day when you reap those fruits. One day your Vikigs will have their glory. And even if it comes at the cost of my beloved Patriots, I'll smile for you Minnesota. You deserve it.
IrishWildcat
Holding onto what I haven't got
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I guess I'm in the minority then. Perhaps it's a matter of being a long-term Red Sox fan. A majority of the "we're so much better than you" Sox fans are the bandwagon-hoppers who came on between 04 and 07, and are generally seen as unwelcome fanboys who think David Ortiz is the greatest player in Red Sox history.
Yes, there was an overabundance of crap that came out after 86 years...books, magazines, etc. But those of us who appreciated it, those who had been along for the ride for a while, we got it...appreciated it, and now enjoy being normal baseball fans like everyone else.
Like I said, the arrogant belligerent ones are mostly newbies who even WE, the REAL Red Sox Nation (the ones who didn't pay $10 to the team for a stupid fan club card), could do without. They wear Ellsbury jerseys, get drunk at games, and their girlfriends wear pink hats.
Believe me, I'm ****ed at the Sox for letting Manny and Bay go, while getting essentially nothing in return. I'm ****ed that we've wasted so much on Matsuzaka (next Pedro my ***! I'd rather see the actual Pedro retire in a Red Sox uniform than see this bum try his "gyroball"). And let's get an actual shortstop for once, huh? [/rant]
I guess I'm in the minority then. Perhaps it's a matter of being a long-term Red Sox fan. A majority of the "we're so much better than you" Sox fans are the bandwagon-hoppers who came on between 04 and 07, and are generally seen as unwelcome fanboys who think David Ortiz is the greatest player in Red Sox history.
Yes, there was an overabundance of crap that came out after 86 years...books, magazines, etc. But those of us who appreciated it, those who had been along for the ride for a while, we got it...appreciated it, and now enjoy being normal baseball fans like everyone else.
Like I said, the arrogant belligerent ones are mostly newbies who even WE, the REAL Red Sox Nation (the ones who didn't pay $10 to the team for a stupid fan club card), could do without. They wear Ellsbury jerseys, get drunk at games, and their girlfriends wear pink hats.
Believe me, I'm ****ed at the Sox for letting Manny and Bay go, while getting essentially nothing in return. I'm ****ed that we've wasted so much on Matsuzaka (next Pedro my ***! I'd rather see the actual Pedro retire in a Red Sox uniform than see this bum try his "gyroball"). And let's get an actual shortstop for once, huh? [/rant]
GreatLakerMohawk
Mushroom Cloud-Laying Mofo
Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
You should try being a Lions fan. Go ahead, welcome aboard the pain train.
It's not torture to get kicked in the nuts every year? Even when the team was good it ended in some sort of awful debacle or infurating, humilaiting loss. They lost 56-38 to Philadelphia one year because Scott Mitchell was allowed to throw six interceptions. Barry Sanders was still the running back on the team yet Mitchell is allowed to huck it up there continually despite constant failure.
This team went 0-16 last year. They went 2-14 this year and that was a marked improvement but still featured one God-awful loss to the St. Louis Rams, giving them their only win on the season. Had the Rams gone 0-16, they would've passed the Lions for longest losing streak AND added to the Lions list of woeful winless season-having teams. Instead, the Lions shoot themselves in the foot and don't get out from under the foot of history and they manage to go 2-14 in the worst season possible because they're not even drafting first overall.
Twitch said it already, they can't even lose the right way. They've got a recent draft history so bad that not even the Vikings embarrassments the last few years can take the spotlight off the Lions, and the Vikes managed to miss a friggin' pick. The team insults the fanbase every way possible and yet, here we are, still here holding out hope that maybe they can put it all together again and get in the playoffs and maybe win a game there again for the first time since 1991.
Not tortured my fat arse.
You should try being a Lions fan. Go ahead, welcome aboard the pain train.
It's not torture to get kicked in the nuts every year? Even when the team was good it ended in some sort of awful debacle or infurating, humilaiting loss. They lost 56-38 to Philadelphia one year because Scott Mitchell was allowed to throw six interceptions. Barry Sanders was still the running back on the team yet Mitchell is allowed to huck it up there continually despite constant failure.
This team went 0-16 last year. They went 2-14 this year and that was a marked improvement but still featured one God-awful loss to the St. Louis Rams, giving them their only win on the season. Had the Rams gone 0-16, they would've passed the Lions for longest losing streak AND added to the Lions list of woeful winless season-having teams. Instead, the Lions shoot themselves in the foot and don't get out from under the foot of history and they manage to go 2-14 in the worst season possible because they're not even drafting first overall.
Twitch said it already, they can't even lose the right way. They've got a recent draft history so bad that not even the Vikings embarrassments the last few years can take the spotlight off the Lions, and the Vikes managed to miss a friggin' pick. The team insults the fanbase every way possible and yet, here we are, still here holding out hope that maybe they can put it all together again and get in the playoffs and maybe win a game there again for the first time since 1991.
Not tortured my fat arse.
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IrishWildcat
Holding onto what I haven't got
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Then in that case, I'll give you a story of hope...
There once was a team who hadn't won a ****ed thing. A team that wasted #1 overall picks on a failed quarterback from Stanford, a useless defensive end from Texas, and a talented but troubled wideout from Nebraska. A team best known for playing in the ****tiest stadium in the league, where a guy got stabbed and tossed over the top row in the 70's.
From '89-93, they were a team that went 5-11, 1-15, 6-10, 2-14, and 5-11. They were on the verge of moving out of town, into St. Louis. They were the laughingstock of the league, going no where.
Then along came Bob Kraft; who owned the stadium, the land it was built on, and all of the surrounding parking areas around the stadium. As landowner he had rights to buy out the team, which he did...paying more for ANY sports team had been purchased for at the time in order to buy out Victor Kiam. He saved the Pats, built a dynasty, and the rest is history.
Moral of the story: you can't fire the owners, btu you can hope to hell they get bored with the city...or die.
Then in that case, I'll give you a story of hope...
There once was a team who hadn't won a ****ed thing. A team that wasted #1 overall picks on a failed quarterback from Stanford, a useless defensive end from Texas, and a talented but troubled wideout from Nebraska. A team best known for playing in the ****tiest stadium in the league, where a guy got stabbed and tossed over the top row in the 70's.
From '89-93, they were a team that went 5-11, 1-15, 6-10, 2-14, and 5-11. They were on the verge of moving out of town, into St. Louis. They were the laughingstock of the league, going no where.
Then along came Bob Kraft; who owned the stadium, the land it was built on, and all of the surrounding parking areas around the stadium. As landowner he had rights to buy out the team, which he did...paying more for ANY sports team had been purchased for at the time in order to buy out Victor Kiam. He saved the Pats, built a dynasty, and the rest is history.
Moral of the story: you can't fire the owners, btu you can hope to hell they get bored with the city...or die.
GreatLakerMohawk
Mushroom Cloud-Laying Mofo
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Ford will never die.
Ever.
Ever.
Never.
I can only hope that his kids are like Rocky Wirtz and give half a crap about winning once the old man finally dies. I'm convinced William Clay Ford is Mr. Burns.
Ford will never die.
Ever.
Ever.
Never.
I can only hope that his kids are like Rocky Wirtz and give half a crap about winning once the old man finally dies. I'm convinced William Clay Ford is Mr. Burns.
IrishWildcat
Holding onto what I haven't got
IrishWildcat
Holding onto what I haven't got
Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
Well, the original owner of the Pats, Billy Sullivan, was involved with some "less-than-legal"activities at some poitn and was forced to sell the team. I don't quite remember (though I should, I worked at that cockamamie hall-of-fame they built last year). Anyways, If Ford should run into financial troubles, they could always sell off their "hobby" and focus on the "family business"
Well, the original owner of the Pats, Billy Sullivan, was involved with some "less-than-legal"activities at some poitn and was forced to sell the team. I don't quite remember (though I should, I worked at that cockamamie hall-of-fame they built last year). Anyways, If Ford should run into financial troubles, they could always sell off their "hobby" and focus on the "family business"
GreatLakerMohawk
Mushroom Cloud-Laying Mofo
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It figures that GM was the auto company in Detroit that had financial issues and not Ford. Stupid economy.
It figures that GM was the auto company in Detroit that had financial issues and not Ford. Stupid economy.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
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Yeah I mean, he only won two Super Bowls and all.
Yeah I mean, he only won two Super Bowls and all.
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Re: TRP: The Speed vs. Comfort Conundrum
Simmons seemed to be going for the stomach punch brand of torture / near miss side of things rather than saying "your team is pure crap and has been nowhere near the playoffs in a long time". Having your team lose repeatedly in the championship game (either conference or super bowl) is very much like a punch to the gut.
Detroit's brand of suckitude is so severe, it's more like stepping on your nutsack for an hour - and then once you go numb from the pain, lighting the nuts on fire to rekindle things. Honestly, the Detroit franchise is so *'ing bad, he could probably write a column - or a series of them - on that team alone.
Simmons seemed to be going for the stomach punch brand of torture / near miss side of things rather than saying "your team is pure crap and has been nowhere near the playoffs in a long time". Having your team lose repeatedly in the championship game (either conference or super bowl) is very much like a punch to the gut.
Detroit's brand of suckitude is so severe, it's more like stepping on your nutsack for an hour - and then once you go numb from the pain, lighting the nuts on fire to rekindle things. Honestly, the Detroit franchise is so *'ing bad, he could probably write a column - or a series of them - on that team alone.
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