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Tokyo COVympics: July 23 to August 8

Jimjamesak said:
Former Olympian chimes in on Simone Biles.

"As an athlete who represented Team USA in two Olympics, making money for those rich, bureaucratic a-holes really bothered me."

(Nick Symmonds was a two time Olympian in the 800m in 2008 and 2012)
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While she can do whatever she wants, she took that opportunity away from someone else that would've wanted it. This doesn't sound like something that just hit her. "I feel like I'm also not having as much fun." Oh, were you still having fun 2 weeks ago when you could have dropped out and let someone else have that spot? "But at the end of the day, it's like, we want to walk out of here, not be dragged out here on a stretcher." Guarantee someone who finished behind her at the trials would take that spot knowing they would be hauled off on a stretcher. Just a pretty lame time to decide she doesn't feel like it any more. I'm sure this had been brewing, she should have done it before the Olympics, not during them.
 
jerphisch said:
While she can do whatever she wants, she took that opportunity away from someone else that would've wanted it. This doesn't sound like something that just hit her. "I feel like I'm also not having as much fun." Oh, were you still having fun 2 weeks ago when you could have dropped out and let someone else have that spot? "But at the end of the day, it's like, we want to walk out of here, not be dragged out here on a stretcher." Guarantee someone who finished behind her at the trials would take that spot knowing they would be hauled off on a stretcher. Just a pretty lame time to decide she doesn't feel like it any more. I'm sure this had been brewing, she should have done it before the Olympics, not during them.
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Well since she gives me no reason to doubt her I will just take her at her word. And even if it had been creeping up for a while...still doesn't really change much.
 
jerphisch said:
While she can do whatever she wants, she took that opportunity away from someone else that would've wanted it. This doesn't sound like something that just hit her. "I feel like I'm also not having as much fun." Oh, were you still having fun 2 weeks ago when you could have dropped out and let someone else have that spot? "But at the end of the day, it's like, we want to walk out of here, not be dragged out here on a stretcher." Guarantee someone who finished behind her at the trials would take that spot knowing they would be hauled off on a stretcher. Just a pretty lame time to decide she doesn't feel like it any more. I'm sure this had been brewing, she should have done it before the Olympics, not during them.
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So you don't know what happened and how it went down, then.

That's not the first time I've seen this thought- but what actually happened is that Biles figured out on her first jump that she got in to a mental position to doubt her ability to hit anything. So by dropping out, she gave her team a chance of winning.

Seeing her score in that one jump, had she stayed in and competed, the US would have probably finished in last place. Instead, since she recognized that she would not be hitting her performance, dropping out put an alternate in place.

Because of Simone Biles dropping out of the competition, the US *almost* won the gold.

this very much wasn't her "not feeling like it anymore" this was "why did I just get lost on that jump? OMG, if I continue, we lose".

Also, had she continued, the risk of getting injured really badly went up quite a bit- try one of her massive attempts, and get lost in the middle- the landing could have been a disaster for her.

One other thing- she didn't just go an close herself into the locker room- she went back out on the floor to support her team. Again, because she dropped out, they still almost won.
 
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Another factor here:

We've all been in situations where peer pressure has persuaded us to do things that we weren't sure about or were feeling uneasy about. That's what this is in it's simplest form.

Biles had the pressure of the world on her shoulders and probably knew the backlash that was coming if she backed down. So she tried to just tough it out.

This is the major stumbling block when it comes to ALL mental health problems in this country.
 
state of hockey said:
That's an impressive amount of assuming while also being so certain, I'll admit.
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While I am sure there are lots of bad takes on this from women, I’m seeing an awful lot from dudes. Weird.

woman was assaulted by nassar and plenty of people didn’t GAF and let him continue to assault over the years. I don’t think her struggles mean she’s a selfish twat who purposely took a spot from someone else
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
While I am sure there are lots of bad takes on this from women, I’m seeing an awful lot from dudes. Weird.

woman was assaulted by nassar and plenty of people didn’t GAF and let him continue to assault over the years. I don’t think her struggles mean she’s a selfish twat who purposely took a spot from someone else
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The idea that she "took the spot from someone else" suggests that she knew going in that this was going to happen. And since she competed in the prelims pretty much shows that as a bad assumption. Even with some indicators of having the yips, she still had the highest score in the prelims. So up until he dropping out, she was still the best in the world- not even operating at 100%.

Let alone that is also ignores that an alternative did step into her spot, and did an amazing job.
 
MichVandal said:
So you don't know what happened and how it went down, then.

That's not the first time I've seen this thought- but what actually happened is that Biles figured out on her first jump that she got in to a mental position to doubt her ability to hit anything. So by dropping out, she gave her team a chance of winning.

Seeing her score in that one jump, had she stayed in and competed, the US would have probably finished in last place. Instead, since she recognized that she would not be hitting her performance, dropping out put an alternate in place.

Because of Simone Biles dropping out of the competition, the US *almost* won the gold.

this very much wasn't her "not feeling like it anymore" this was "why did I just get lost on that jump? OMG, if I continue, we lose".

Also, had she continued, the risk of getting injured really badly went up quite a bit- try one of her massive attempts, and get lost in the middle- the landing could have been a disaster for her.

One other thing- she didn't just go an close herself into the locker room- she went back out on the floor to support her team. Again, because she dropped out, they still almost won.
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The injury aspect is the one that I can’t believe is being overlooked. There are certainly people making bad faith arguments, but for those who genuinely believe she should’ve powered through it, I’m trying to think of another sport where a case of the yips could be so catastrophic. I’ve seen more MJ comparisons than I’d like to count, but if Jordan got a hitch in his jump shot in the middle of the Finals, that’s not going to lead to a broken neck.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
The injury aspect is the one that I can’t believe is being overlooked. There are certainly people making bad faith arguments, but for those who genuinely believe she should’ve powered through it, I’m trying to think of another sport where a case of the yips could be so catastrophic. I’ve seen more MJ comparisons than I’d like to count, but if Jordan got a hitch in his jump shot in the middle of the Finals, that’s not going to lead to a broken neck.
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The Jordan comparisons also don't include what sport Simone is going to play for a mid-life crisis/family loss before returning. I say NASCAR.
 
40% of the country has been uncomfortable that our greatest athlete is (1) black and (2) not a docile step and fetch it like Tiger, are now taking their revenge.

Quelle surprise.
 
I saw a story yesterday about a Russian gymnast who broke her leg leading up to the 1980 Olympics and she didn't think it healed properly in time to compete but the Russian officials made her compete. She fell off something (beam I think?) hit her head and became paralyzed. That's what could happen. As for Keri Strug, I honestly did not know that she didn't need to do that second vault. She deserves her own super gold for doing that vault on a broken foot/ankle whatever. USA Gymnastics needs to be disbanded and rebuilt.

Part of me kinda hopes this was part of Simone's evil plan for...something.
 
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