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This Article Says It All

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
You know when you see a thread title like this, and the last post being from JDUBBS, that you are going to witness some grade A *********gery.

You never fail to disappoint, JDUBBS. It's like you exist to make me feel sorry for Gopher fans, who quite frankly deserve better than to include you as one of them.
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Says the guy who's incapable of making a point without making a personal attack.
 
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I just find it ironic that people won't give the Gophers credit for their 1929 and 1940 titles because of questions about the level of competition. Even though they fail to understand that even college teams were of much lesser quality back them.

And at the same time, these same people refuse to give the Gophers ANY credit for winning IT ALL with a much more limited recruiting base.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
LOL! Funny how many Gopher fans applaud me privately for calling you out for the fraudulant(fraudulent) fan you are. News Flash: People have grown tired of the cynisism. You're(your) whole routine has grown tired.
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No one applauds you publicly or privately. Scoobs has forgotten more hockey than you will ever experience and has the voice of reason to prove that fact. While the story you posted is a fun read and warms a hockey heart, demanding respect is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard or read. You are not respected by gopher fans and certainly not by any other fan base and that's a fact Jack.:cool:
 
cross cheque said:
No one applauds you publicly or privately. Scoobs has forgotten more hockey than you will ever experience and has the voice of reason to prove that fact. While the story you posted is a fun read and warms a hockey heart, demanding respect is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard or read. You are not respected by gopher fans and certainly not by any other fan base and that's a fact Jack.:cool:
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Of course they have. Not everyone. There are Gopher fans who don't like me too. Those feelings are often mutual, and sometimes hurtful. But a good number of people have told me privately they are sick of Scooby's act as much as I am. Some, I'm sure, don't like either of us.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Of course they have. Not everyone. There are Gopher fans who don't like me too. Those feelings are often mutual, and sometimes hurtful. But a good number of people have told me privately they are sick of Scooby's act as much as I am. Some, I'm sure, don't like either of us.
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Yeah, but at least you're not a fraud.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Here is the respect I think the program deserves, but fans of other teams (with the exclusion of this guy) seem to want to try and disparage.....

The program won TWO championships with ONLY in-state recruits. Do you realize how big of an accomplishment that was? If so, give them credit for it? And if you ask why they did it, you aren't giving them the credit they deserve for what the program has done for hockey in this state.

I am sick and tired of hearing people try and say that recruiting only in-state wasn't important to the growth of hockey in this state. And I am sick of people down-playing the accomplishment of being the best program in the country, TWICE, while only recruiting in-state (to try and grow the sport) while other programs ignored the growth of the sport locally and used every recruiting avenue available to try and win.

There is nothing wrong with other programs recruiting out of state and in Canada to try and win. But give the Gophers credit and respect for taking the tough road and giving local kids opportunities. It did help grow the sport. And give the Gophers the respect they deserve for winning it all, TWICE, while taking that tough road.
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By and large I don't think anyone disparages it. People may disparage you for continuously harping on the all-Minnesota thing.

I suspect most non-Minnesota fans view the issue as a novelty, but not particularily relevant as to how they view the Minnesota program. I suspect most Minnesota fans do view the "all-Minnesota" teams with a certain level of pride. They just don't put those teams on a pedestal over and above any other Minnesota teams, championship or otherwise, that they also view with pride. They certainly don't elevate them to the deity level to which you seem to.

I also suspect most fans, Minnesota and non-Minnesota alike, don't view the task of winning with all-Minnesota recruits as this onerous, pushing the giant boulder up the hill task that you make it out to be. Minnesota produces a lot of good high school hockey players. The U of M has a huge built in advantage to recruiting in Minnesota. You've got to get what, maybe 6 top recruits a year out of Minnesota to have your "all-Minnesota" team? As a non-Minnesotan my view is if you guys can't do that you should hang it up. Most of your teams have probably been at least 85-90% Minnesota kids anyway, so the "all-Minnesota" teams don't seem that out of the ordinary to us outsiders.

And the thing about the "all-Minnesota" deal is this. I don't think even the U of M feels that it is an issue of utmost importance, or they'd still be doing it as some sort of institutional policy.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
The program won TWO championships with ONLY in-state recruits. Do you realize how big of an accomplishment that was? If so, give them credit for it? And if you ask why they did it, you aren't giving them the credit they deserve for what the program has done for hockey in this state.
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Not really. Win a championship with only recruits from Arkansas and we can talk, but with the loads of talent available in Minnesota, it really shouldn't be that surprising for the flagship program to accomplish that...
 
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SJHovey - You make some decent points. I'll admit that I probably let my pride get in the way and put more emphasis on it than is probably warranted. Though sometimes I read comments that gives me the impression the person thinks that it was an irrelevant piece of history and it saddens me.

One thing I will disagree with you on is the difficulty of winning with 18-19 year old in-state recruits (especially back when MNHS hockey wasn't the power house it has become) beating teams that were recruiting 20-something year old freshmen from Canada.

Again, not faulting other programs for doing it as it certainly wasn't against the rules and was actually the norm in college hockey. But, it was an accomplishment for those Brook's teams to not only win those titles, but to do it the way he did.

As for why Minnesota doesn't recruit exclusively in-state anymore? I think that is two-fold. First, there isn't the need to grow the sport locally as much now as there was in the past. MNHS hockey fuels itself now. And second, the Gophers are one of five in-state D1 schools now, and don't always get all the best in-state talent. And with more high quality players emerging from non-standard hockey markets, they can't afford to only recruit in-state unless they get all of the top recruits from the state.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Not really. Win a championship with only recruits from Arkansas and we can talk, but with the loads of talent available in Minnesota, it really shouldn't be that surprising for the flagship program to accomplish that...
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So, you're saying 1970's Minnesota produced the same amount of talent as other teams were pulling from Canada? And the same age?

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Again, not discounting any other team's accomplishments, but what the Gophers did in 1976 and 1979 was special.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
SJHovey - You make some decent points. I'll admit that I probably let my pride get in the way and put more emphasis on it than is probably warranted. Though sometimes I read comments that gives me the impression the person thinks that it was an irrelevant piece of history and it saddens me.

One thing I will disagree with you on is the difficulty of winning with 18-19 year old in-state recruits (especially back when MNHS hockey wasn't the power house it has become) beating teams that were recruiting 20-something year old freshmen from Canada.

Again, not faulting other programs for doing it as it certainly wasn't against the rules and was actually the norm in college hockey. But, it was an accomplishment for those Brook's teams to not only win those titles, but to do it the way he did.

As for why Minnesota doesn't recruit exclusively in-state anymore? I think that is two-fold. First, there isn't the need to grow the sport locally as much now as there was in the past. MNHS hockey fuels itself now. And second, the Gophers are one of five in-state D1 schools now, and don't always get all the best in-state talent. And with more high quality players emerging from non-standard hockey markets, they can't afford to only recruit in-state unless they get all of the top recruits from the state.
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Sure, but who was Brooks recruiting against '73-76? Mankato, SCSU, Omaha, BSU, all non-existent. North Dakota was in the middle of the worst stretch in it's program's history, finishing last all 3 seasons. UMD was a perpetual lower division team, finishing 6th, 8th and tied for last in those three seasons.

All the power was in Michigan and out east. Brooks had Minnesota to himself.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
LOL! Funny how many Gopher fans applaud me privately for calling you out for the fraudulant fan you are. News Flash: People have grown tired of the cynisism. You're whole routine has grown tired.
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No they don't. Good god...

Well, your mom told me privately that you beat off 3 or 4 times a day. She sure did... :rolleyes:
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Yeah. Going to have to report this one. There is no need for these personal attacks people.
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Knock yourself out. I'm sure we could get a petition together in regards to your continued presence on these boards...
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Knock yourself out. I'm sure we could get a petition together in regards to your continued presence on these boards...
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Might I suggest hiring North Dakota State football players to gather the signatures?
 
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