The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

'Member when you railed against non-voters in MN who hated both Trump and Hillary, since MN would vote Democratic no matter what? And then MN voted Democrat? I 'member.

Not even in the same zip code.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

So in other words...you've got nothing.

I don't like Bernie Sanders. I don't want him anywhere near the Democratic Party. Again, I am consistent and I don't like or dislike people because they are progressive, or establishment. I have my reasons. I support Cynthia Nixon 100% for example.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Not even in the same zip code.

Exactly. Because your vote, or lack there of, affects a direct democratic election while Brent's did not.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Exactly. Because your vote, or lack there of, affects a direct democratic election while Brent's did not.

Whatever. It's pointless to argue it. You all think just because the state has voted Democratic for the President for x number of years it's a lock. I look at what happened at Governor with Pawlenty and how both Houses are full of red conservatives and I know better. All it will take is one more depressed vote on the left which happens easily around the country and Trump could win the state. We've been trending that way for years now.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The whole point was an opinion. I don't ****ing like Bernie Sanders and I don't like Ellison. And I don't appreciate some celebrity coming in here and tipping the scales in my state against me. He represents ****ing Vermont, not Minnesota. Get it now?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

https://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2018/02/coming-republican-state-minnesota

Read and learn.

 

[Spartanforlife4]

The whole point was an opinion. I don't ****ing like Bernie Sanders and I don't like Ellison. And I don't appreciate some celebrity coming in here and tipping the scales in my state against me. He represents ****ing Vermont, not Minnesota. Get it now?

You don't like celebrities, but you support Cynthia Nixon?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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You don't like celebrities, but you support Cynthia Nixon?

Bad term. Sorry. Celebrity from another state. Better?

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

https://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2018/02/coming-republican-state-minnesota

Read and learn.

I like how he's basically just trying to come up with reasons as to why the dems will lose and then clearly comes up with nothing.

"Well it was closer than usual for Hillary!". Yeah probably because she sucked and wasn't running on any of the things Rebecca Otto or Erin Murphy are. I guess if Walz wins that would probably open the door for the other side but the DFL endorsed Murphy at the very least.

 

[Handyman]

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It's personal. I know that sounds like a cop out, but it is and I can't talk about it. It's fine. Like I said I will vote for him if it's the only option.

Weird. My dad has a problem with Muslims and hates that Ellison was a Farrakan fan and even he has no issue with Ellison getting the nod though he wishes he would have stayed in Congress. (and would have voted for him without a thought)

I wont press you, there are people everyone else loves that I have serious issue with personally. Thankfully they do a great job representing me but it still bugs me.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Weird. My dad has a problem with Muslims and hates that Ellison was a Farrakan fan and even he has no issue with Ellison getting the nod though he wishes he would have stayed in Congress. (and would have voted for him without a thought)

I wont press you, there are people everyone else loves that I have serious issue with personally. Thankfully they do a great job representing me but it still bugs me.

I have no doubt he will do a great job once I hold my nose and vote for him.

 

[Handyman]

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I like how he's basically just trying to come up with reasons as to why the dems will lose and then clearly comes up with nothing.

No that isnt what he is doing. Sure he is falling into the trap of "Minnesota will go red" but in this case the latest election does back up the fear. He will be proven wrong in 2020 because if Hillary could win this state any Dem with a pulse can but for now his fear is warranted. The problem is the press is doing their by yearly cornucopia of articles about it so it is fresh.

The problem is you all arent actually reading what he is saying. Cynthia Nixon is a great example. Scooby was ****ed what Castro did in her upcoming primary, endorsing Cuomo after stating it is not the job of the party to do so. (the move that basically ended any shot of Ellison running again) Those are the types of mistakes that cost Dems elections. Scooby doesnt want that kind of crap here and since he seems to hate Bernie anyways (and Ellison) it looks doubly bad to him. Makes total sense, and I can see his point.

The problem is Bernie is super popular so he wont lead to a suppression of vote. Also the key will be how well Tim Walz does running for Governor. If he wins (and he has every advantage so he definitely should) then this is all academic. Since everything I have read about the MNGOP guys is going to make it hard for them to win and TPaw is a non-starter I think by default Walz should be fine. He should win SW Minnesota and the Metro with ease over any of those guys.

Scooby did you not like Bernie before 2016 because I never remember you saying anything negative about him before. Did the last election destroy him for you because of the Bernie Bros?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I like how he's basically just trying to come up with reasons as to why the dems will lose and then clearly comes up with nothing.

"Well it was closer than usual for Hillary!". Yeah probably because she sucked and wasn't running on any of the things Rebecca Otto or Erin Murphy are. I guess if Walz wins that would probably open the door for the other side but the DFL endorsed Murphy at the very least.

The only thing that saves the state is Minneapolis, St. Paul, a little Duluth, and a little Rochester. Everything else is deep deep deep red. And there are pockets in every one of those cities that are deep red.

Don't ever get complacent and don't ever take anything for granted.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

I was mostly talking about the article not Scooby, sorry if that wasn't clear.

The only thing that saves the state is Minneapolis, St. Paul, a little Duluth, and a little Rochester. Everything else is deep deep deep red. And there are pockets in every one of those cities that are deep red.

Don't ever get complacent and don't ever take anything for granted.

So then turn out your base in those areas and get them excited. I think Murphy and Otto should be able to do that and hopefully they get the nom. Walz probably would win too though I'd be a little more concerned if he gets it.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

The only thing that saves the state is Minneapolis, St. Paul, a little Duluth, and a little Rochester. Everything else is deep deep deep red. And there are pockets in every one of those cities that are deep red.

Don't ever get complacent and don't ever take anything for granted.

It may be deep red but they dont have the voting numbers to offset the rest of the blue. Simple math. That is why I say every election cycle, as long as the Twin Cities votes blue it is almost impossible to lose. The demographics just dont play out in any other way. (obviously in the big elections only)

 

[Handyman]

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I was mostly talking about the article not Scooby, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Gotcha. Yeah those stories are the same every other year. You can predict everything they will say.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It may be deep red but they dont have the voting numbers to offset the rest of the blue. Simple math. That is why I say every election cycle, as long as the Twin Cities votes blue it is almost impossible to lose. The demographics just dont play out in any other way. (obviously in the big elections only)

Pawlenty was a state wide race. Even got reelected. It wasn't that long ago.

 

[Handyman]

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Pawlenty was a state wide race. Even got reelected. It wasn't that long ago.

Yeah but he was able to split the Metro. Lots of locals voted for him for various reasons that to this day I will never understand. (plus I dont think the DFL had anyone good to run against him but I forget) If the gets he nod now he wont win enough in the Metro to make a dent. The only positive he has is he helped bring the Wild to Minnesota and that doesnt have the same cache it did back in the day. His failures are too fresh in the mind of the voters in the Metro area.

It will always come down to Metro. Of the nearly 6 million people in the state half are in the 7 county Metro area. Of that 3 million over a third is in Hennepin County and if you add in Ramsey County it is almost 2/3. The Outstate cant compete with a voting block like that.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Yeah but he was able to split the Metro. Lots of locals voted for him for various reasons that to this day I will never understand. (plus I dont think the DFL had anyone good to run against him but I forget) If the gets he nod now he wont win enough in the Metro to make a dent. The only positive he has is he helped bring the Wild to Minnesota and that doesnt have the same cache it did back in the day. His failures are too fresh in the mind of the voters in the Metro area.

It will always come down to Metro. Of the nearly 6 million people in the state half are in the 7 county Metro area. Of that 3 million over a third is in Hennepin County and if you add in Ramsey County it is almost 2/3. The Outstate cant compete with a voting block like that.

I don't understand either.

 

[Deleted member 3166]

I don't like Bernie Sanders. I don't want him anywhere near the Democratic Party. Again, I am consistent and I don't like or dislike people because they are progressive, or establishment. I have my reasons. I support Cynthia Nixon 100% for example.

And none of that means Sanders is picking the AG in Minnesota...which is what you were originally screaming about.