The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

[trixR4kids]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

In some cases yes the tariffs are hurting people but it's not entirely clear that NAFTA was helpful to begin with either. In fact it pretty clearly wasn't at least not to most working class people.

I guess my point is for a while now we haven't really seen many politicians offering things like healthcare, help getting a higher education, better rights for workers, a higher min wage, etc. Things that help both rural and urban communities.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

In some cases yes the tariffs are hurting people but it's not entirely clear that NAFTA was helpful to begin with either. In fact it pretty clearly wasn't at least not to most working class people.

I guess my point is for a while now we haven't really seen many politicians offering things like healthcare, help getting a higher education, better rights for workers, a higher min wage, etc. Things that help both rural and urban communities.

Those jobs were leaving anyway. Some of these people need to wake the **** up and smell the coffee.

 

[bronconick]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Michigan farmers join Iowa's in shooting their own ****s off

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Rover]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Lol at Murphy being too liberal as the entire party moves that direction (in accordance with the polls showing the majority of Americans support most of those positions anyhow). But hey maybe we can get a more conservative dem who winds up not getting the metro fired up.

Also please tell me more about how Mankato/Duluth/Rochester don't want healthcare, a higher min wage, legal weed, better schools, or more affordable college. (I realize Walz has some of these things covered but Murphy is slightly better on those issues and Walz is completely non-committal on single payer and hasn't even mentioned marijuana which is ridiculous in 2018).

Who gives a fuk? You Bernouts need to get your heads out of your arses. We're fighting Nazis. Do you truly think staying home is a viable option if Dem candidate A isn't completely on board with everybody being able to smoke weed wherever and whenever they choose? Good lord. Get your priorities straight or you're as much of a problem as the Goebbels wannabees running the GOP right now.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

So still trying to understand the logic.

Arguably the worst president in human history - to which apparently you agree - and his congress are voted in against the will of the people and by a minority of rural voters. The electoral system favors rural voters over everyone else and especially urban voters - and you're fine with that.

So not even two years later, you support a more extreme, less appealing to the whole candidate. When asked why, you say screw those living in rural areas - even though you admit they probably have similar views to you. When the point is brought up that both the MN state house and senate could be lost again due to an uninspiring candidate to rural areas at the top of the ticket - that means nothing. And again you support an electoral system that will overweight rural areas for the MN state legislature after a majority of MN voters voted D and got an R legislature. And all this with A Walker-ized state right next door.

Is this where we should be prepared to blame the democratic party for being terrible?

 

[burd]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Who gives a fuk? You Bernouts need to get your heads out of your arses. We're fighting Nazis. Do you truly think staying home is a viable option if Dem candidate A isn't completely on board with everybody being able to smoke weed wherever and whenever they choose? Good lord. Get your priorities straight or you're as much of a problem as the Goebbels wannabees running the GOP right now.

You seem to be a one-cliche-thought-at-a-time kind of guy. As I recall, you were about as wrong on the election as anyone has been on this site for a long time, at least as to big issues. But you are absolutely 100% dead certain about whichever thought is in your head at the moment, I'll give you that.

 

[Rover]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

You seem to be a one-cliche-thought-at-a-time kind of guy. As I recall, you were about as wrong on the election as anyone has been on this site for a long time, at least as to big issues. But you are absolutely 100% dead certain about whichever thought is in your head at the moment, I'll give you that.

Let me see if I have this right - because a random guy on an internet message board thought like everybody else did that Clinton would win the election, that justifies an absolutist stance regarding Dem candidates even though the opposition have proven themselves to be Nazis, just without the armbands and stupid mustaches. Ooookaayy then.

Look, policy differences no longer matter at this point. Everybody from ConservaDems to BernieBangers needs to realize the same thing, which is the opposition are the ideological descendants of the government running Germany in the 30's and 40's. I wasn't around for WWII, but I don't think the Dems launched a primary against Roosevelt in 1944 from his left because he wasn't raising taxes high enough on the rich. Simply put, there was a lot bigger problem to tackle.

Likewise, whether the top tax rate should be 50%, 90% or something in between is irrelevant in the face of a country currently being governed by KKK types. We've got bigger problems. Primary people from the left in Dem leaning seats all you want, but anybody who for example wants to knock a Dem senator in a red state out of office for not being progressive enough, even though doing so would assure another Trump Humper takes the seat needs to be beaten senseless. People with that view aren't part of the solution, they're part of the problem. I can't picture in Minny for example any Dem candidate being worse for the state than Pawlenty, who would immediately become a soldier in Chump's army of mindless drones.

 

[trixR4kids]

Who gives a fuk? You Bernouts need to get your heads out of your arses. We're fighting Nazis. Do you truly think staying home is a viable option if Dem candidate A isn't completely on board with everybody being able to smoke weed wherever and whenever they choose? Good lord. Get your priorities straight or you're as much of a problem as the Goebbels wannabees running the GOP right now.

Never said anything about sitting out the election stop putting words in peoples’ mouths. I am saying that if Walz wins I like Pawlenty’s chances far more than if he doesn’t. I’d still vote for Walz to minimize harm but I don’t see him energizing the base the same way which concerns me. That’s a prediction, not a declaration of who I will and won’t vote for. But you’re not all that bright and obviously can’t figure out the distinction almost 2 years later now.

I also don’t think Murphy is gonna lose as much of the rural parts of the state as much as say Walz would in the metro. Being non-committal in single payer and accepting NRA money is gonna hurt his chances in the biggest parts of the state. That’s a prediction not a declaration of voting intent.

 

[Rover]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Never said anything about sitting out the election stop putting words in peoples’ mouths. I am saying that if Walz wins I like Pawlenty’s chances far more than if he doesn’t. I’d still vote for Walz to minimize harm but I don’t see him energizing the base the same way which concerns me. That’s a prediction, not a declaration of who I will and won’t vote for. But you’re not all that bright and obviously can’t figure out the distinction almost 2 years later now.

I also don’t think Murphy is gonna lose as much of the rural parts of the state as much as say Walz would in the metro. Being non-committal in single payer and accepting NRA money is gonna hurt his chances in the biggest parts of the state. That’s a prediction not a declaration of voting intent.

Again, if "the base" isn't energized at this point because a guy is non-committal on single payer then they get what they deserve. Tim Pawlenty wins that election and he's going to go Scott Walker on Minnesota regardless of what he was like previously because that's where the KKK, I mean the GOP cult is nowadays. There's no room to split hairs here. We're not living in normal times and are quite possibly dealing with the worst government (combo of WH, Congress and SCOTUS) in the country's history.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Ok? The GOP has always been horrible and they’ve gotten worse. They need to be defeated whether it’s by a centrist or someone more progressive.

I think strategically the DFL made the right decision to endorse the more progressive one but if someone else wins I’ll obviously still vote for them to minimize harm. Hopefully other people see it that way too, this state has seen first hand what Pawlenty has done.

 

[bronconick]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Feinstein finishes 3rd between "No preference" and De Leon for the party's endorsement.

Doesn't matter because she's up big in every polling because any GOPer who show up to vote for governor in November will choose her as the devil they know.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/ScottWalker?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ScottWalker</a> with arrested Russian nationalist and <a href="https://twitter.com/NRA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NRA</a> lifetime member Maria Butina. <a href="https://t.co/eNBC00WzUZ">pic.twitter.com/eNBC00WzUZ</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1018989033534382086?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/ScottWalker?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ScottWalker</a> with arrested Russian nationalist and <a href="https://twitter.com/NRA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NRA</a> lifetime member Maria Butina. <a href="https://t.co/eNBC00WzUZ">pic.twitter.com/eNBC00WzUZ</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1018989033534382086?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So idiots will now re-elect him with double digits

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

The Democrats just need to run ads with the Trump quotes from today's Helsinki summit presser. That's it.

It will do no good with the morans [sic], but Trump's already lost the 1 million or so who were legit on the fence. If we apply that to the states that flipped, plus the idjuts who didn't vote out of 'principle' but will now, it's all that matters.

 

[burd]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

The Democrats just need to run ads with the Trump quotes from today's Helsinki summit presser. That's it.

It will do no good with the morans [sic], but Trump's already lost the 1 million or so who were legit on the fence. If we apply that to the states that flipped, plus the idjuts who didn't vote out of 'principle' but will now, it's all that matters.

This sounds like what people said in runup to the election every time he said another stupid thing at a campaign stop or a debate.

You would think the things he's saying in Helsinki would be the last straw for folks, but never doubt the power of bias.

 

[The Rube]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

The Democrats just need to run ads with the Trump quotes from today's Helsinki summit presser. That's it.

It will do no good with the morans [sic], but Trump's already lost the 1 million or so who were legit on the fence. If we apply that to the states that flipped, plus the idjuts who didn't vote out of 'principle' but will now, it's all that matters.

I said a couple months ago, that the Ds don't need the Trumpers. They need the anti-Hills. If they get the anti-Hills, they have the election in a landslide. There is a small, but significant difference between the Trumpers and Anti-Hills.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

I said a couple months ago, that the Ds don't need the Trumpers. They need the anti-Hills. If they get the anti-Hills, they have the election in a landslide. There is a small, but significant difference between the Trumpers and Anti-Hills.

Oh, I agree - stop running the Clintonista candidates. That's a given.

This sounds like what people said in runup to the election every time he said another stupid thing at a campaign stop or a debate.

You would think the things he's saying in Helsinki would be the last straw for folks, but never doubt the power of bias.

Again, we don't need the Trumpsters. They are gone. In fact, they would sooner give up their jobs, than admit Trump is a fraud and a doofus.

These people are LOST. I no longer care about their political opinions. Unlike some liberals who are ready to cast them into the volcano to teach them a lesson, I do care about their well-being. They need to be informed of their options, and steered towards those options. Not ALL of them are going to be accepting - those are the folks that I will write-off - otherwise, if you want to reinvent yourself for the 21st century, then join us.

 

[burd]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

I said a couple months ago, that the Ds don't need the Trumpers. They need the anti-Hills. If they get the anti-Hills, they have the election in a landslide. There is a small, but significant difference between the Trumpers and Anti-Hills.

I don't believe many traditional democrats were anti-Clinton. A sizeable number were cool to her and unafraid to criticize her, but they did not hesitate to vote for her over Trump. A more important number was cool to her and thought she had it in the bag anyway and stayed home.

I agree there is a small difference between Trump supporters and what I think you mean by "anti-hils," but I'd be interested to here how you would describe that difference as significant.

Anti-Clinton folks were those who bought the GOP Clinton smear campaign that has gone on for over 25 years.
They bought the EMAILZ and BENGHAZI bullshyt, partly because the ground had been softened long before by the likes of Scaife, Murdoch, Limbaugh, Rove, et al.

Both sides need to convince a smallish group of voters in the middle, and Democrats particularly need to motivate their traditional base to show up.

 

[aparch]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/ScottWalker?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ScottWalker</a> with arrested Russian nationalist and <a href="https://twitter.com/NRA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NRA</a> lifetime member Maria Butina. <a href="https://t.co/eNBC00WzUZ">pic.twitter.com/eNBC00WzUZ</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1018989033534382086?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

She is a "rode hard and put away wet" 29 year old. Woof.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

She is a "rode hard and put away wet" 29 year old. Woof.

She's still a 6.5 in the US. Eastern Europe knows how to raise 'em.