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The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

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ticapnews said:
I find his assertion that his account was hacked totally believable. I'm sure he was also suffering from heat exhaustion.
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And acid reflux.

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Kepler said:
And acid reflux.

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To paraphrase a comedic masterpiece
"You're trying to make me look bad in front of the electorate."
'You don't need any help from me.'
 
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Back to the theme I picked for this thread. From today's Star Tribune.

According to Axios, Trump’s 2020 campaign manager, Brad Parscale, is targeting two other blue states for victory in the next election: Minnesota and Colorado. As with Michigan and New Mexico, one of those seems more likely than the other to go in Trump’s favor.

But there are also national trends at play that influence individual states. If we factor out the national shifts, we can get a different sense for how the states voted in 2016, relative to years past. In other words, we can see how heavily each state voted for the Democrat or the Republican in each presidential election relative to how the country on the whole did.

In doing so, we see two things. First, that Minnesota voted more Republican in 2016 than the nation on the whole, a big shift from 2012.
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http://www.startribune.com/trump-wa...rado-in-2020-but-is-that-realistic/482731261/
 
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Oh lord I see the locals are starting the "This is the election we go Red" crap earlier than usual. If Trump wastes time here it will be tantamount to Clinton wasting time in Arizona. Last election he had the best possible chance because we were a Bernie State who disliked Clinton and he still lost. Yes it was close but it wont be that close again unless the Dems put up someone as unlikeable. Trump needs to hold the states he flipped last election of Minnesota and Colorado wont matter.
 
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Handyman said:
Oh lord I see the locals are starting the "This is the election we go Red" crap earlier than usual. If Trump wastes time here it will be tantamount to Clinton wasting time in Arizona. Last election he had the best possible chance because we were a Bernie State who disliked Clinton and he still lost. Yes it was close but it wont be that close again unless the Dems put up someone as unlikeable. Trump needs to hold the states he flipped last election of Minnesota and Colorado wont matter.
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I'm pretty sure it's just a way to get the Dems to expend resources on defense. But then again I convinced myself that's what Clinton doing by "expanding the map" late in the 2016 cycle.

In retrospect, I honestly don't know what she was doing. Was the idea to run up the score to create a larger "mandate"? Even if that worked, how could that have helped her? The GOP had already separated itself from those considerations and committed to complete obstruction during Obama. She could have swept the entire EC and still no Republican would have governed for the good of the country.
 
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Cause you and rover thought the D were going to win everything :)


What again goes before the fall? :p
 
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Handyman said:
Oh lord I see the locals are starting the "This is the election we go Red" crap earlier than usual. If Trump wastes time here it will be tantamount to Clinton wasting time in Arizona. Last election he had the best possible chance because we were a Bernie State who disliked Clinton and he still lost. Yes it was close but it wont be that close again unless the Dems put up someone as unlikeable. Trump needs to hold the states he flipped last election of Minnesota and Colorado wont matter.
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Pretty much this. I'd be more worried about the governor race if Walz wins the primary.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm pretty sure it's just a way to get the Dems to expend resources on defense. But then again I convinced myself that's what Clinton doing by "expanding the map" late in the 2016 cycle.

In retrospect, I honestly don't know what she was doing. Was the idea to run up the score to create a larger "mandate"? Even if that worked, how could that have helped her? The GOP had already separated itself from those considerations and committed to complete obstruction during Obama. She could have swept the entire EC and still no Republican would have governed for the good of the country.
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I think this was the greatest mistake of many. I will never understand why she bothered with Georgia and Arizona and there must have been some real idiots telling her to do so.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I think this was the greatest mistake of many. I will never understand why she bothered with Georgia and Arizona and there must have been some real idiots telling her to do so.
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No, I get all that; my question is: what did she think she was doing? I could see it as a fake out, but I can't see any sense at all in actually doing what she appears to have actually done.
 
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Kepler said:
No, I get all that; my question is: what did she think she was doing? I could see it as a fake out, but I can't see any sense at all in actually doing what she appears to have actually done.
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She probably bought into the same hype the media, pundits and most that he didn't have a chance, so if that's true, push the envelope to get enough seats before your party sleeps through the midterms again like they did for Obama.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Pretty much this. I'd be more worried about the governor race if Walz wins the primary.
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Why? Walz plays very well in the Cities and in he other Dem strongholds and none of the current crop of GOPers will be able to topple him. He isnt my pick by a longshot but he would have to tank in MSP for the GOP to have a chance. The only marquee name the GOP has is PAw and MSP hasnt forgotten how bad his policies destroyed them for 8 years.

In Minnesota the key to the Governorship is The Twin Cities, Rochester and Duluth. Walz will have little issue with any of those areas.
 
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Kepler said:
No, I get all that; my question is: what did she think she was doing? I could see it as a fake out, but I can't see any sense at all in actually doing what she appears to have actually done.
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Oh, I know what they thought they were doing. She thought she was going to get the "Jeb Bush" vote. Literally. They also thought they were making Trump defend Georgia and Arizona. Like that ****ing campaign had two seconds to even think about defending anything.
 
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Kepler said:
No, I get all that; my question is: what did she think she was doing? I could see it as a fake out, but I can't see any sense at all in actually doing what she appears to have actually done.
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I think she wanted to make the statement of statements. Her staff convinced her that no Blue States would flip and so she went for everything. She didnt just want to win, she wanted a Reagan-like victory. It wasnt enough for her ego to be the first woman President, she needed to better all recent Dems to show how strong she truly was. This was her birthright in her mind, this is what she had been working towards since Little Rock. She stood by her man (despite him being a lying, arrogant misogynistic weasel) because he was one of the most popular Presidents in the modern age so she could be here. She carpetbagged a Senate Seat to be here. She took the SecState job in the Obama Administration (after he humiliated her) to be President. This was the culmination of 30 years of putting up with everything and taking no prisoners. If she didnt outperform her husband or Obama she would be seen as weak or less than, that she rode the tails of giants. She needed more than that to feed her ego. Plus she wanted to raise a double middle finger to the aspects of the Press. (Right and Left)

The problem is she surrounded herself with sycophants. Everyone believed the polls and tat destiny was here and she couldnt lose so they "Yes Ma'amed" her not paying attention to the trends. They ignored their strongholds and spread themselves so thin by the time the truth broke through it was too late. She was throwing 40 yard bombs trying to run up the score when she should have been just getting first downs and running out the clock. All because she wanted to be the best.

tl;dr: EGO!
 
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Handyman said:
Why? Walz plays very well in the Cities and in he other Dem strongholds and none of the current crop of GOPers will be able to topple him. He isnt my pick by a longshot but he would have to tank in MSP for the GOP to have a chance. The only marquee name the GOP has is PAw and MSP hasnt forgotten how bad his policies destroyed them for 8 years.

In Minnesota the key to the Governorship is The Twin Cities, Rochester and Duluth. Walz will have little issue with any of those areas.
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I think he's the favorite but my concern would be his economic plans (how committed he actually is to some of this stuff like inner city school funding, or even an economic plan for the more rural strongholds you mention in Duluth/Rochester), being non committal on stuff like medicare for all, no stance on marijuana, and his receiving of NRA funding not playing as well with younger voters. Obviously he's better than Pawlenty on the majority of issues but I don't see a ton of people being energized by what he's peddling.
 
Re: The States: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Side bar:

Has anyone answered the original question in this thread, namely: Why does Minnesota wanna be Kansas?

Easy. Better basketball. ;)
 
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The scary thing with pawl entry is that he’s been gone long enough for people to forget what he did but not long enough to forget his name. I don’t think you’re right handy, that people still remember his policies.
 
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