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The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

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Kepler said:
I'm guessing they defund it.
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And how do they do that without the House's consent and without a governor veto?

I mean, I can see a State Senate refusing to confirm new appointees. I don't understand how they can singlehandedly remove already duly appointed people.
 
Ah, Minnesota has apparently something else in common with the Trump administration, full-time interim/acting heads of agencies.

"Yet Leppink’s removal exposed an unusual feature of Minnesota government: Because appointees are allowed to serve pending confirmation — and because there is no deadline for action — many gubernatorial appointees are never confirmed, a situation that gives the state Senate an ever-present threat: If an appointee crosses the Senate majority, or if a governor angers them, they can strike."

Put another way, she was nominated, and began to serve pending confirmation (normal). The Senate never gets around to confirming (not normal), and has no deadline to do so (also not normal), so they can kill her nomination at any point in time because they never officially confirmed her in the first place.

My esteem for my northern neighbors continues to wane.
 
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Thanks, uno.

So, while it's incredibly cynical it's just a political. The work is done by the careers and still gets done. The hood ornament gets taken off.

Purely symbolic and obviously disgusting behavior, but people will still get their services.
 
SJHovey said:
How do they go about “eliminating” cabinet positions? Doesn’t it work like at the federal level where they can vote yea or nay on a particular candidate? Can they just eliminate a position without the House?
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This Is How

In a surprise maneuver Wednesday, Minnesota Senate Republicans ousted Gov. Tim Walz’s labor commissioner, drawing rebukes from leading Democrats who accused Republicans of a political “ambush” on an integral figure protecting workers during the pandemic.

While Republicans had previously voiced objections to Department of Labor and Industry Commissioner Nancy Leppink, Tuesday evening’s move during a brief special session of the Legislature can also be seen through the lens of pure politics: Earlier in the day, for the third time since the coronavirus pandemic began, Republican lawmakers tried and failed to deny Walz an extension of his sweeping emergency powers, which were supported by the Democratic majority in the House.

Ejecting one of Walz’s cabinet members — technically, the GOP-controlled Senate voted against Leppink’s confirmation — is one of the few ways Senate Republicans can hip-check Walz under the Minnesota Constitution’s checks and balances. The vote was 34-32 along strictly partisan lines. It’s been at least a decade since a Minnesota governor’s cabinet appointee has been sent packing by the chamber.
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Emphasis mine.

So if you want to get technical they didnt eliminate her position, they just refused to confirm her which is unusual and pretty obviously done because they didnt get what they want.

More Info From Minnpost

Yet senatorial advice and consent is usually meant to come shortly after an appointment to assure someone is qualified, not as a way to sanction an appointee who, in the case of Leppink, has been on the job for 19 months.

At the Capitol, though, actual confirmation votes of appointees have become the exception, not the rule. Only three of Walz’s appointees have been confirmed by the Senate: Agriculture Commissioner Thomas Petersen; Office of Higher Education Commissioner Dennis Olson; and Public Utility Commissioner Valerie Means.
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So basically under Minnesota rules the person appointed serves in the position until confirmed. The Senate can at any time decide to confirm or deny. They decided to take action now because they want Walz to end the emergency powers (they voted on it) and he has yet to do it. They can do this with all of his appointees that have yet to be officially confirmed. (and likely wont be)
 
unofan said:
Ah, Minnesota has apparently something else in common with the Trump administration, full-time interim/acting heads of agencies.

"Yet Leppink’s removal exposed an unusual feature of Minnesota government: Because appointees are allowed to serve pending confirmation — and because there is no deadline for action — many gubernatorial appointees are never confirmed, a situation that gives the state Senate an ever-present threat: If an appointee crosses the Senate majority, or if a governor angers them, they can strike."

Put another way, she was nominated, and began to serve pending confirmation (normal). The Senate never gets around to confirming (not normal), and has no deadline to do so (also not normal), so they can kill her nomination at any point in time because they never officially confirmed her in the first place.

My esteem for my northern neighbors continues to wane.
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The thing is they never pull this maneuver. It has happened twice in the last 20 years. (before now) It is a threat nothing more. (like the Death Penalty in the NCAA) They decided to weaponize it for this.
 
SJHovey said:
How do they go about “eliminating” cabinet positions? Doesn’t it work like at the federal level where they can vote yea or nay on a particular candidate? Can they just eliminate a position without the House?
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Hovey, either uninformed or just plain wrong about pretty much everything, keeps coming back for more.
 
Michigan. This totally made me pump my fist and yell "oh hell yeah!" and I'm not even sure why though I think it's because

1) EAGLES ARE AWESOME!
2) Mankind sucks
3) The eagle thought it was a seagull and f-ck seagulls
 
"To slay the dragon, you must lift the sword." - something I said to my people at my internship.

Tonight, I might have been the only trans girl in the room, but I was not the only queer person to get up there and share their experiences. And yes, some of the rhetoric was mean and nasty. More "bathroom rapist" talk, more talks about how being trans is not an "objective reality," and truth is, it was hard not to take some of that personally.

"I've run 15 marathons. After I started taking estrogen, I got slower. It did not put me on par with Shalane Flanagan or Kara Goucher."

"My Bible says "love your neighbor as yourself." Does that include your LGBT neighbor? Can your LGBT neighbor work in the city of Holland without fear of being fired for who they are?"

"I'm an intern at Every Woman's Place in Muskegon, which is a DV/SA shelter and I'm a behavior technician who works with autistic kids."

"I've been in a Target bathroom. The only time I've even looked up in the bathroom is to see if the sink was empty. Otherwise, I go in, I close the door, I pee, I wash my hands, and I get out.

To close though, and I knew I had to get this in: "I'm beautiful in my way, cause God makes no mistakes, I'm on the right track baby, I was born this way!"

There was some debate about removing "sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression" from the NDO, but the motion failed 4-5. As for the actual ordinance, passed 8-1. I started to cry happy tears, As I left, people were breaking social distance protocol to hug me, pat me on the back, and give me all sorts of affirming touches.

And at that moment, when the vote went in favor of the ordinance 8-1, I looked at all the arrows the opposition tried to run at my community. They were on the floor. In the ceiling. Once I realized these people were just trying anything, that they have "Facebook Courage," the arrows didn't stick.
 
MissThundercat said:
"To slay the dragon, you must lift the sword." - something I said to my people at my internship.

Tonight, I might have been the only trans girl in the room, but I was not the only queer person to get up there and share their experiences. And yes, some of the rhetoric was mean and nasty. More "bathroom rapist" talk, more talks about how being trans is not an "objective reality," and truth is, it was hard not to take some of that personally.

"I've run 15 marathons. After I started taking estrogen, I got slower. It did not put me on par with Shalane Flanagan or Kara Goucher."

"My Bible says "love your neighbor as yourself." Does that include your LGBT neighbor? Can your LGBT neighbor work in the city of Holland without fear of being fired for who they are?"

"I'm an intern at Every Woman's Place in Muskegon, which is a DV/SA shelter and I'm a behavior technician who works with autistic kids."

"I've been in a Target bathroom. The only time I've even looked up in the bathroom is to see if the sink was empty. Otherwise, I go in, I close the door, I pee, I wash my hands, and I get out.

To close though, and I knew I had to get this in: "I'm beautiful in my way, cause God makes no mistakes, I'm on the right track baby, I was born this way!"

There was some debate about removing "sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression" from the NDO, but the motion failed 4-5. As for the actual ordinance, passed 8-1. I started to cry happy tears, As I left, people were breaking social distance protocol to hug me, pat me on the back, and give me all sorts of affirming touches.

And at that moment, when the vote went in favor of the ordinance 8-1, I looked at all the arrows the opposition tried to run at my community. They were on the floor. In the ceiling. Once I realized these people were just trying anything, that they have "Facebook Courage," the arrows didn't stick.
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Very nice.
 
Kepler said:
Not this time. Hovey was right. They didn't eliminate the position; they defenestrated the occupant.
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On these types of factual matters I'm almost never wrong. Opinions and guesses? Well, that's why they call them opinions and guesses.

Also, Handy is not technically correct about the rarity with which the Senate has refused to confirm appointees. It has happened more than twice in the last 20 years, although it's certainly not an every day occurrence.

https://www.leg.state.mn.us/lrl/history/confirmations
 
I was going by what the article said...I should have researched it more I guess.

The rule itself is stupid...although it does prevent a party from just stalling out confirmations which we know happens as well. Pols are just too friggin childish.
 
SJHovey said:
On these types of factual matters I'm almost never wrong. Opinions and guesses? Well, that's why they call them opinions and guesses.

Also, Handy is not technically correct about the rarity with which the Senate has refused to confirm appointees. It has happened more than twice in the last 20 years, although it's certainly not an every day occurrence.

https://www.leg.state.mn.us/lrl/history/confirmations
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You so smart.

You and Sic should get together for a little circle jerk.
 
MissThundercat said:
"To slay the dragon, you must lift the sword." - something I said to my people at my internship.

Tonight, I might have been the only trans girl in the room, but I was not the only queer person to get up there and share their experiences. And yes, some of the rhetoric was mean and nasty. More "bathroom rapist" talk, more talks about how being trans is not an "objective reality," and truth is, it was hard not to take some of that personally.

"I've run 15 marathons. After I started taking estrogen, I got slower. It did not put me on par with Shalane Flanagan or Kara Goucher."

"My Bible says "love your neighbor as yourself." Does that include your LGBT neighbor? Can your LGBT neighbor work in the city of Holland without fear of being fired for who they are?"

"I'm an intern at Every Woman's Place in Muskegon, which is a DV/SA shelter and I'm a behavior technician who works with autistic kids."

"I've been in a Target bathroom. The only time I've even looked up in the bathroom is to see if the sink was empty. Otherwise, I go in, I close the door, I pee, I wash my hands, and I get out.

To close though, and I knew I had to get this in: "I'm beautiful in my way, cause God makes no mistakes, I'm on the right track baby, I was born this way!"

There was some debate about removing "sexual orientation, gender identity, and expression" from the NDO, but the motion failed 4-5. As for the actual ordinance, passed 8-1. I started to cry happy tears, As I left, people were breaking social distance protocol to hug me, pat me on the back, and give me all sorts of affirming touches.

And at that moment, when the vote went in favor of the ordinance 8-1, I looked at all the arrows the opposition tried to run at my community. They were on the floor. In the ceiling. Once I realized these people were just trying anything, that they have "Facebook Courage," the arrows didn't stick.
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Wooo!
 
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