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The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

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dxmnkd316 said:
There is no universe where I will recognize any part of NY or PA as midwest. IT'S ALMOST AS ****ING EAST AS YOU CAN GET.
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That appears to be subgroup Rustbelt.


Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Morgantown, and your more typical Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, and St Louis. It also looks to include all of Ohio and not just the Ohio Valley, and Louisville KY thanks to the Ohio River.
 
aparch said:
That appears to be subgroup Rustbelt.


Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Morgantown, and your more typical Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, and St Louis. It also looks to include all of Ohio and not just the Ohio Valley, and Louisville KY thanks to the Ohio River.
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Midwest should overlap most of the Dakotas and have none PA/NY.

Now, if you're dead set against removing NY/PA, then the map is still dumb. Because the south south move north to the IA/MO border.

Im also not sure about Delaware and MD in the south. Can someone from that area explain? I assumed the south went as far as NOVA. But that's it. Wait, NM, the Mason Dixon put MD as the northern border. Ok that makes sense. Delaware is still confusing.

Lol, I just saw Florida. Nice.

to Kepler's point, this is one of the best attempts at it. We're squabbling about just a few of the border regions. Which is a good sign for its credibility. And I like that it overlaps. Not sure I've seen that before. That is absolutely correct.
 
Come to think of it, basically they drew the midwest as the Great Lake States. Which is different but highly overlapped with the Midwest.

And I agree with a lot of the criticisms Kepler said. However. I disagree with him on New Orleans. It's still very proper The South. It's just the most refined version of it. Like the Twin Cities and Chicago to the Midwest.

NYC I could see an argument for. It's just... everything. Midwest, the South, NE, West Coast, Florida. Basically everything but the plains and west.

San Francisco is the most west coast thing in existence. You couldn't distill a more pure version of it. It's hit an azeotrope.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Come to think of it, basically they drew the midwest as the Great Lake States. Which is different but highly overlapped with the Midwest.

And I agree with a lot of the criticisms Kepler said. However. I disagree with him on New Orleans. It's still very proper The South. It's just the most refined version of it. Like the Twin Cities and Chicago to the Midwest.

NYC I could see an argument for. It's just... everything. Midwest, the South, NE, West Coast, Florida. Basically everything but the plains and west.

San Francisco is the most west coast thing in existence. You couldn't distill a more pure version of it. It's hit an azeotrope.
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I respectfully disagree on Nola. It is not a more refined South. Its diversity is largely different, for one thing. It may have live-oak plantations nearby, but it's not Atlanta, Savannah, Charleston, or Richmond. In terms of statutory and common law, all of La is almost a foreign country. I also don't see Nola as refined at all.
 
New Orleans is not The South. Louisiana yes but New Orleans is pretty much everything The South would be against. Just because it has mansions and they have an accent doesn't make them The South. They are LGBTQ+ friendly, love minorities and hate conservatives. ;^)

As for the map...it looks like the "Midwest" is just the old (and best) Big Ten. If it meant we could go back to that I might accept that map.
 
burd said:
I respectfully disagree on Nola. It is not a more refined South. Its diversity is largely different, for one thing. It may have live-oak plantations nearby, but it's not Atlanta, Savannah, Charleston, or Richmond. In terms of statutory and common law, all of La is almost a foreign country. I also don't see Nola as refined.
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There are parts of NoLa that are refined, but even they are pretty grungy and hippy dippy until you get outside of the city.

NoLa's roots aren't White (they are about as mixed as anywhere I have ever seen) which is why it isn't "South". It is closer to "creole" than it is to "White".
 
Handyman said:
There are parts of NoLa that are refined, but even they are pretty grungy and hippy dippy until you get outside of the city.

NoLa's roots aren't White (they are about as mixed as anywhere I have ever seen) which is why it isn't "South". It is closer to "creole" than it is to "White".
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Mix Montreal, SF, and Charleston, and you might get something similar. And that doesn't give you the bayou/creole factor. But dx would likely point out that you wouldn't have the blues influence, and he'd be right.

Nola isn't Istanbul, but they share a uniqueness.
 
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burd said:
Mix Montreal, SF, and Charleston, and you might get something similar. And that doesn't give you the bayou/creole factor. But dx would likely point out that you wouldn't have the blues influence, and he'd be right.

Nola isn't Istanbul, but they share a uniqueness.
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Yeah I havent been to Istanbul but great point! There were parts of South Africa that were pretty weirdly mixed up to in a similar way. Capetown is one crazy city!

I go to NoLa a lot (its my SOs fave American city and maybe favorite in the world) and I think the best way to describe it is that it is the melting pot America was supposed to be. Everywhere else it is either divided or homogenized...NoLa it is blended.

Funny thing is, half "The South" really isn't what most of us think of as The South and they would hate to be lumped together. Rural AK /= Charlston or Savannah. Back in the day the Rurals were barely above The Slaves in the eyes of the Southern Gentry.
 
Handyman said:
I go to NoLa a lot (its my SOs fave American city and maybe favorite in the world) and I think the best way to describe it is that it is the melting pot America was supposed to be. Everywhere else it is either divided or homogenized...NoLa it is blended.
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I'd only done jazz fest and oyster fest before our daughter went to Tulane in '16 and stayed there, so we go down maybe once or twice a year. Her SO is the son of a Ghanian father and a native delta area mother, so she is exposed to that unique Nola diversity though him as well. Instead of Wisconsin bonfire keggers and pig roasts, she's doing crawfish boils now. It's a smallish city with lots or political corruption, failed fixes, and its share of cruel poverty. But it is so rich in culture that has nothing to do with Bourbon Street.
 
burd said:
I'd only done jazz fest and oyster fest before our daughter went to Tulane in '16 and stayed there, so we go down maybe once or twice a year. Her SO is the son of a Ghanian father and a native delta area mother, so she is exposed to that unique Nola diversity though him as well. Instead of Wisconsin bonfire keggers and pig roasts, she's doing crawfish boils now. It's a smallish city with lots or political corruption, failed fixes, and its share of cruel poverty. But it is so rich in culture that has nothing to do with Bourbon Street.
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Garden District >>>> Bourbon Street

I went to Jazzfest last year for the SOs 40th...amazing weekend!
 
Kepler said:
[/LIST] I like that Appalachia and the Mid Atlantic, which usually appear on these things, do not. Appalachia is to me just infiltration of the South into other regions.
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For the South, I follow the I-70 Rule from Maryland to Kansas and find it to be pretty accurate. For me that freeway is the line south of which people start talking slower and eating gravy and grits at breakfast. Cincy is about 60/40 Yank vs. Reb and everything south of that is definitely whistlin' Dixie.
 
Handyman said:
Garden District >>>> Bourbon Street
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Anything > Bourbon Street

BS has just become the same type of drunken morons who go to PCB. The only way I'd go there is as a pickpocket.

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Kepler said:
Anything > Bourbon Street

BS has just become the same type of drunken morons who go to PCB. The only way I'd go there is as a pickpocket.

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Long before the era of cellphones, I once went into a packed bar on Bourbon Street with a friend. I went to use the bathroom, and when I returned, my friend was nowhere to be found. I was finally able to locate him 12 hours later, in a cheap motel in Mobile, Alabama. He got there by way of the bed of a stranger's pick up truck, an ambulance, and a bus full of hookers. True story.
 
aparch said:
In that order? *shock face*
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No, in order it was actually ambulance, hooker bus, pick up. Also, when I originally posted, I forgot that there was also a very short ride in a police cruiser in there, between the ambulance ride and the hooker bus.

He walked out of the bar, and started walking back to our vehicle which was parked in a lot next to the Sheraton. Our plan was to drive to Mobile, Alabama, to play golf the next morning.

When he got about two blocks from the bar, he was approached by someone who supposedly wanted to sell him drugs. My friend claims he said no, continued to walk, and was struck on the head by a blackjack or another blunt object, causing him to be knocked out.

Luckily, or unluckily for him, it happened about 50 feet in front of an unmarked squad car. The two cops immediately arrested the drug dealer, but strangely enough, my unconscious friend was still robbed of his watch, credit cards and cash.

He was taken by ambulance to the local hospital. A couple of hours later the cops showed up and talked to him. He made the mistake of telling them he was supposed to be going with friends to Mobile. They hauled him to the bus stop, purchased a ticket for a one way to Mobile (I assume with his own cash), and forced him to get on, even though he repeatedly told them he was supposed to meet us at the car.

The bus contained about twenty passengers, all young women, all returning to Alabama after a weekend of "work" in the Quarter. One of them was kind enough, however, to share half her ham sandwich with my penniless friend.

The bus dropped him off at the Mobile bus station, but that was about five miles from the hotel where we were to be staying that night. He had no cash, so he tried to hitch a ride. His clothing was soaked in blood, the front of his shirt had been sliced open from top to bottom by the ambulance crew, he had three staples in his bloody head, and his eyes were the deepest shade of red I've ever seen. Needless to say, he didn't get a lot of takers for the hitchhiking.

Finally, a guy with a pick up truck told him he'd give him a ride, but only if he rode in the bed.
 
So.... cops robbed him and then saw an easy out by putting him on a bus and paying for it out of his money they they had robbed from him?
 
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