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The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Whoa whoa. Republicans are ok with government mandating behavior of businesses ?? Montana gov sure knows his audience with this worthless legislation lately

”A new bill that has passed in the Montana legislature prohibits a person or governmental entity from denying goods, services or employment opportunities based on vaccination status and bans employers from requiring their workers to get a particular vaccine.”
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This gets interesting, because federal law supersedes state law 100% of the time when the federal law is more restrictive than state law, however states can "go further" freely (see gun laws).

Federal law specifically allows businesses to mandate vaccinations. While this idiot law doesn't necessarily "go further", it doesn't contradict it in the strictest sense - Federal law allows businesses, it doesn't require them. I'd defer to our lawyers here on whether this might stand.

It's fucking ridiculous either way.
 
Two potential opponents for Whitmer next year:

Ryan Kelley, who vigorously defends a Confederate statue in Allendale and was at the January 6 insurrection.

Garrett Soldano, a chiropractor and massive COVID-19 denier. Founded the Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine Facebook group. Takes inspiration from Dump and prides himself on having no political experience.

If either of those two win, I'm moving to St. Paul.
 
MissThundercat said:
Two potential opponents for Whitmer next year:

Ryan Kelley, who vigorously defends a Confederate statue in Allendale and was at the January 6 insurrection.

Garrett Soldano, a chiropractor and massive COVID-19 denier. Founded the Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine Facebook group. Takes inspiration from Dump and prides himself on having no political experience.

If either of those two win, I'm moving to St. Paul.
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Jesus, they sound like Paul LePaige.
 
MissThundercat said:
Two potential opponents for Whitmer next year:

Ryan Kelley, who vigorously defends a Confederate statue in Allendale and was at the January 6 insurrection.

Garrett Soldano, a chiropractor and massive COVID-19 denier. Founded the Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine Facebook group. Takes inspiration from Dump and prides himself on having no political experience.

If either of those two win, I'm moving to St. Paul.
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Her poll numbers seem ok,. Can't see either of those two being more popular especially in places like Ann Arbor or Detroit...
 
Swansong said:
This gets interesting, because federal law supersedes state law 100% of the time when the federal law is more restrictive than state law, however states can "go further" freely (see gun laws).

Federal law specifically allows businesses to mandate vaccinations. While this idiot law doesn't necessarily "go further", it doesn't contradict it in the strictest sense - Federal law allows businesses, it doesn't require them. I'd defer to our lawyers here on whether this might stand.

It's fucking ridiculous either way.
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I'm not sure there is a preemption issue here.

I don't know that federal law speaks one way or the other about businesses requiring workers to get vaccinated. Instead, I think it's a matter that federal law doesn't prohibit employers from demanding their employees get vaccinated, except possibly for religious or medical reasons. Basically, the absence of a federal law makes it permissible for employers to act in this fashion.

However, if a state wants to pass a law that forbids employers in that state from mandating employee vaccinations, I think the state can do that without running afoul of current federal law. Seems stupid to do that. I'd leave it up to the businesses.
 
SJHovey said:
However, if a state wants to pass a law that forbids employers in that state from mandating employee vaccinations, I think the state can do that without running afoul of current federal law. Seems stupid to do that. I'd leave it up to the businesses.
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Your last sentence here cuts the heart out of so many current republican arguments. "Let businesses decide". You know, except for wedding cakes for gay people. Or mask mandates. Or vaccines. Or anything else they don't like.
 
Swansong said:
Your last sentence here cuts the heart out of so many current republican arguments. "Let businesses decide". You know, except for wedding cakes for gay people. Or mask mandates. Or vaccines. Or anything else they don't like.
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It's almost as if conservatives have no coherent philosophy and are just cynically manipulating rhetorical devices to achieve their authoritarian social engineering.

We now return you to Behind the Music: Scalia.
 
MissThundercat said:
Two potential opponents for Whitmer next year:

Ryan Kelley, who vigorously defends a Confederate statue in Allendale and was at the January 6 insurrection.

Garrett Soldano, a chiropractor and massive COVID-19 denier. Founded the Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine Facebook group. Takes inspiration from Dump and prides himself on having no political experience.

If either of those two win, I'm moving to St. Paul.
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They aren't serious contenders for the nomination. Obersturmf?hrer Chatfield hasn't announced yet, but I think he will and he'll wipe the floor with the rest of the Republican field. Of the other possible serious candidates, Rep. Bergman is 74 and looks like death warmed over. Mike Shirkey already said no. That leaves Ronna who could be an interesting choice for the Republicans if she runs, but unless there are serious rumors of her being pushed out of her national RNC leadership role, I doubt her earnestness about mounting a campaign.
 
Kepler said:
This was the pudendum trying to throw the election to God Emperor Dump, right? The hell was he doing that for, if not to kiss butt for the endorsement?
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I suspect he and Chatfield may have had an agreement that only one of them would run and as the "elder statesman" (*gag*) he had first right of refusal. Shirkey is term limited out of the MI Senate after 2022 and he'll be 68 or 69, so maybe he really is eyeing retirement and doesn't want the job and/or the media circus.

It's also very possible that Chatfield, who was term limited out of the MI House this past cycle and is 2 years younger than me, has much higher ambitions than Governor of a mid-major state. He might instead run for Bergman's House seat if he announces retirement. He's from a "don't blink" hamlet in MI-1 and could hold that seat for as long as he wants. After some time in DC, he could run for one of our Senate seats or get a cabinet job in a future fascist White House.
 
Kepler said:
Sure but isn't the entire rest of the state Tundra Appalachia?
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There is a lot of that yes...but I would think Lansing would also be pretty liberal as would Flint along with a lot of the college areas. (of which there are any) I gotta think the population centers have control when they show up.
 
Handyman said:
There is a lot of that yes...but I would think Lansing would also be pretty liberal as would Flint along with a lot of the college areas. (of which there are any) I gotta think the population centers have control when they show up.
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Lansing, Ann Arbor, Flint, Sagnasty, and Marquette all at least lean blue. Grand Rapids is 50/50 depending on which neighborhood you're in. Traverse City probably leans R, but has more than its share of the kind of limousine libs that Kepler will send to the shooting gallery right after he finishes up with the Republican middle and upper managers. ;-)

Tundra Appalachia is places like Alpena, Iron Mountain, and yes, the Keweenaw.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Lansing, Ann Arbor, Flint, Sagnasty, and Marquette all at least lean blue. Grand Rapids is 50/50 depending on which neighborhood you're in. Traverse City probably leans R, but has more than its share of the kind of limousine libs that Kepler will send to the shooting gallery right after he finishes up with the Republican middle and upper managers. ;-)

Tundra Appalachia is places like Alpena, Iron Mountain, and yes, the Keweenaw.
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I liked Grand Rapids when I was there last month. I can see why it would be split lots of rather large homes.

In other news: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1387872152016375817

He doesn't look like a rapist Nazi at ALL!
 
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