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The States : red states in a race to the bottom

Climate disasters are just the next place where the right will say "now is not the time to point fingers" as progressives (and any of the non-flat-Earthers the right still has) point out correctly what happens when we gut our NWS and NOAA and people like trump encourage his followers to deny science, evidence and truth.
Children are always innocent victims but maybe when enough of them die, change will happen. I'm not holding my breath but there's always a chance.
Nah, they don't actually care about children - only zygotes and fetuses. And even then, only insomuch as they can use them to provoke illogical emotions and control women.
 
I mean they are blaming the NWS for it...my guess is it gets cut more because they killed children!!
 
Everything I read indicates that Texas knew they needed a better siren/warning system for flash flooding etc. and they passed on it.

Meanwhile this was pushed and passed for Texas in the Big Beautiful bill.

The "Big Beautiful Bill" refers to a recently passed budget bill that includes funding to relocate Space Shuttle Discovery from the Smithsonian's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Virginia to Space Center Houston in Texas. The bill allocates $85 million for the move and the construction of a facility to house the shuttle. The move is expected to be completed by January 4, 2027

85 MILLION DOLLARS.
 
The good thing is that will halve the foot traffic at Udvar Hazy. Cletus and Brandine blow through it on their way to the Discovery like the rubes who blow through the Vatican Museum on their way to the Sistine Chapel.

Banish the Bucket Listers to Texas. Fitting.
 
Everything I read indicates that Texas knew they needed a better siren/warning system for flash flooding etc. and they passed on it.

Meanwhile this was pushed and passed for Texas in the Big Beautiful bill.



85 MILLION DOLLARS.
And that is likely not enough from another article I saw. It estimated that cost of moving the shuttle alone will eat like 20-30 Million. Then they have to build a new building around it once it arrives as they don't have one already.
 
And that is likely not enough from another article I saw. It estimated that cost of moving the shuttle alone will eat like 20-30 Million. Then they have to build a new building around it once it arrives as they don't have one already.
Good thing we don't have the Challenger, that would double it!
 
Everything I read indicates that Texas knew they needed a better siren/warning system for flash flooding etc. and they passed on it.

Meanwhile this was pushed and passed for Texas in the Big Beautiful bill.



85 MILLION DOLLARS.
And didnt that other article in the other thread say they wanted $1 million for the sirens?

I want to feel bad for people in Texas but...
 
I want to feel bad for people in Texas but...

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Ted Cruz explaining today how nothing could have been done to prevent the tragedy in Texas. And when there's nothing that can be done, there's plenty of money to move Space Shuttles around.
 
I think until you've personally gone through this, it is very difficult to appreciate the speed at which things can change.

I live in a flood zone. I personally have been flooded out of my home twice in the last 21 years. The waterway that we live next to typically runs at about 3-5 feet, but I've seen it go to 13 feet in the blink of an eye.

NPR did a good timeline of the Texas flooding. It looks like the NWS (who I think does a great job), put out a flood watch notice the day before. I think we've had probably 8-9 flood watch notices from the NWS this year alone. I don't think the water has left the banks in any of those instances. But you need to keep a flood watch in mind, obviously.

The people in Texas went to bed that night knowing that a flood watch was in place, but nothing more. That simply meant that flooding was possible. I have no doubt this river, and the residents, have probably seen a hundred flood watches issued for that river. There is no doubt some complacency sets in. I know that from personal experience.

This river apparently rose about 26 feet in 45 minutes. That means it was coming up approximately one foot every two minutes. This allegedly started at about 4 a.m. You can check the river at 4 a.m. and it might be running within its banks, and ten minutes later you're standing in three or four feet of water. I've had that happen.

This is a tragedy, no doubt. You can question whether you should have a camp next to a river, just like you can question whether I should live next to a river. Plus, everyone always want to assign blame. But turning this into some sort of political exercise requires a certain level of dickishness, in my opinion.
 
Dont you think sirens would have helped? Honest question. Because if you think they would have improved the odds of survival even 10% then there is blame to assign I am sorry.

As for being near a river maybe Texas should actually read their Bibles:

"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
-Matthew 7:24-27
 
Dont you think sirens would have helped? Honest question. Because if you think they would have improved the odds of survival even 10% then there is blame to assign I am sorry.

As for being near a river maybe Texas should actually read their Bibles:

"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
-Matthew 7:24-27
I don't know if they would have helped or not. The question is, when does the horn sound?

I'm obviously not familiar with these camps, or even that part of Texas, but it appears to me that it's a rural area. That is, it's not like it's in the middle of a city. I know that in North Dakota we didn't have sirens in every rural area. Each town might have a siren, but if you got a mile or two out of town, you heard nothing.

Because of where I live, I monitor this website constantly during the summer, during periods of heavy rain. https://water.noaa.gov/#@=-96.40108...006EFF,1,#006EFF,1,#006EFF,1,#006EFF,false&q=

I remember in 2012 looking at our river and seeing a prediction of a river level of about 7 feet, which is the level at which the river leaves its banks by my house. I checked a half hour later and saw a prediction of 15.3 feet, which was about a foot higher than the record high, and which would have put about three feet of water onto the main floor of my house. Two hours later they dropped the prediction to 10.5 feet.

I don't blame them for this. It is a very imprecise job. I sure as heck don't want to be forced to evacuate my house every time there is the possibility of flooding. I benefit by having a measuring point fairly near to my house, so it enables me to monitor that website. I don't know that these camps had the same benefit.
 
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