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The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst
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Oh, right.
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Are they the same Minneapolis residents I see wandering aimlessly through Calhoon Square in the "hip" Uptown section of Minneapolis, or the ones flying out of the Lindbergh main terminal at the airport?
Are they the same Minneapolis residents I see wandering aimlessly through Calhoon Square in the "hip" Uptown section of Minneapolis, or the ones flying out of the Lindbergh main terminal at the airport?
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Calhoun Square name can stay. But the lake name has to change, because that's different.
Calhoun Square name can stay. But the lake name has to change, because that's different.
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Didn’t Lindbergh change to terminal one years ago?
Who the hell goes to Calhoun square? Or uptown??
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I think the official name is "Terminal 1-Lindbergh."
I think the official name is "Terminal 1-Lindbergh."
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Didn't do anything "now." I think it's his dinners with Goring that has some people scratching their heads. Oh, and the Nazi medals.
Didn't do anything "now." I think it's his dinners with Goring that has some people scratching their heads. Oh, and the Nazi medals.
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Lindbergh was a whioux fan? Gross!
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Don't get me wrong. Minneapolitans have mastered the art of the futile and meaningless gesture, and I applaud them for it (Ok, it's a golf clap).
You have kids coming out of the U with $150,000 in debt and a $35,000 annual salary, but hey, let's spend a bunch of University time and resources studying whether we should change the name of a couple of buildings. There aren't three students at the U of M who could have told you who Coffman was before the controversy, and probably only 20 since.
Don't get me wrong. Minneapolitans have mastered the art of the futile and meaningless gesture, and I applaud them for it (Ok, it's a golf clap).
You have kids coming out of the U with $150,000 in debt and a $35,000 annual salary, but hey, let's spend a bunch of University time and resources studying whether we should change the name of a couple of buildings. There aren't three students at the U of M who could have told you who Coffman was before the controversy, and probably only 20 since.
Calhoun Square name can stay. But the lake name has to change, because that's different.
Who owns the lake? Who owns Calhoun Square?
He was spying while being an America Firster.
Lindy also shot down a few Japanese planes as a tech rep.
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I don't think that's really the point. Obviously Calhoun Square is privately owned.
The point is, if the name "Calhoun" was offensive to residents of Minneapolis, there would be widespread boycotts and protests over the name, or people would just avoid the place.
But that hasn't happened because people don't care that it's named Calhoun or even give a second thought as to who it might be named after.
Which was the point made a few posts back by another poster regarding the lake -- by and large the name change came about because of no more than a handful of activists who made it a cause celebre. Before that, no one in the city cared.
I don't think that's really the point. Obviously Calhoun Square is privately owned.
The point is, if the name "Calhoun" was offensive to residents of Minneapolis, there would be widespread boycotts and protests over the name, or people would just avoid the place.
But that hasn't happened because people don't care that it's named Calhoun or even give a second thought as to who it might be named after.
Which was the point made a few posts back by another poster regarding the lake -- by and large the name change came about because of no more than a handful of activists who made it a cause celebre. Before that, no one in the city cared.
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The "now" wasn't asking about the present. Sorry about the confusion.
Apparently Henry Ford, a chief exec of GM, and Watson (IBM chairman, I'm also guessing the person who the computer Watson was named after) were also awarded the same medal.
The fact that Charles Lindbergh also won the Flying Cross, a Medal of Honor, the Legion of Honor from France, an Air Force Cross from England, and apparently a Pulitzer for good measure, might kind of overshadow his receiving of a pre-war German medal. Doing some more reading, he was awarded that medal at a dinner he was invited to by the US Ambassador to Germany. Actually, this entire passage from Wikipedia is probably a good way to put it all into perspective:
Which was preceded by this:
THAT NAZI SYMPATHIZER!
So it was one medal and one meeting with Goring.
The "now" wasn't asking about the present. Sorry about the confusion.
Apparently Henry Ford, a chief exec of GM, and Watson (IBM chairman, I'm also guessing the person who the computer Watson was named after) were also awarded the same medal.
The fact that Charles Lindbergh also won the Flying Cross, a Medal of Honor, the Legion of Honor from France, an Air Force Cross from England, and apparently a Pulitzer for good measure, might kind of overshadow his receiving of a pre-war German medal. Doing some more reading, he was awarded that medal at a dinner he was invited to by the US Ambassador to Germany. Actually, this entire passage from Wikipedia is probably a good way to put it all into perspective:
Which was preceded by this:
THAT NAZI SYMPATHIZER!
So it was one medal and one meeting with Goring.
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I don't think it's fundamentally inconsistent to care a lot more about a public name than a private name, or to recognize that you have a lot more influence over a public name. Regarding your last point, you're really describing how most change comes about, no?
I don't think it's fundamentally inconsistent to care a lot more about a public name than a private name, or to recognize that you have a lot more influence over a public name. Regarding your last point, you're really describing how most change comes about, no?
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The whole Lake Calhoun name controversy should really demonstrate quite clearly two truths.
First, it's stupid to name publicly owned property like lakes, streets or buildings after real people. Real people have warts. All of them. Somewhere, some time, some how, someone is going to be offended by those warts. Name the lake Maple Lake or some such thing. Heaven knows Minnesota needs another Maple Lake.
Second, now that we're pregnant and we've ignored Truth #1 and gone down this path, forget about it. Again, people have warts. We knew that when we started naming things after them. Whatever good was in them that caused them to receive this unearned honor still exists. Plus, and most importantly, we have far greater needs to spend our time and money on than renaming every lake, street, city, state or building that has the name Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Davis, Monroe, Jackson, Calhoun, etc..., attached to it.
The whole Lake Calhoun name controversy should really demonstrate quite clearly two truths.
First, it's stupid to name publicly owned property like lakes, streets or buildings after real people. Real people have warts. All of them. Somewhere, some time, some how, someone is going to be offended by those warts. Name the lake Maple Lake or some such thing. Heaven knows Minnesota needs another Maple Lake.
Second, now that we're pregnant and we've ignored Truth #1 and gone down this path, forget about it. Again, people have warts. We knew that when we started naming things after them. Whatever good was in them that caused them to receive this unearned honor still exists. Plus, and most importantly, we have far greater needs to spend our time and money on than renaming every lake, street, city, state or building that has the name Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Davis, Monroe, Jackson, Calhoun, etc..., attached to it.
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Of course, there was the "Des Moines speech" as well.
Of course, there was the "Des Moines speech" as well.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Henry Ford, Walt Disney, and many other big names of the 20s and 30s sympathized with Hitler, until he "went too far" and started another World War. That is well-known.
Henry Ford, Walt Disney, and many other big names of the 20s and 30s sympathized with Hitler, until he "went too far" and started another World War. That is well-known.
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My practice with people, and in particular, historical figures, is this. You can't judge them by today's standards. That even holds true for physical objects. We can't judge the quality of the computers that helped send men to the moon based upon today's standards.
It doesn't make the comments or thoughts of Ford or Disney or Lindbergh or Calhoun right. It has to be taken in the context of their times.
And honestly, part of the reason for my position on this is that's the way I want to be judged. I don't want to be judged based upon the standards of 2100.
My practice with people, and in particular, historical figures, is this. You can't judge them by today's standards. That even holds true for physical objects. We can't judge the quality of the computers that helped send men to the moon based upon today's standards.
It doesn't make the comments or thoughts of Ford or Disney or Lindbergh or Calhoun right. It has to be taken in the context of their times.
And honestly, part of the reason for my position on this is that's the way I want to be judged. I don't want to be judged based upon the standards of 2100.
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Well duh...Edina, Minnetonka and Wayzata are awful
The biggest farce of them all is...even if the name stayed at Bde Maka Ska everyone still called it Calhoun. The name change is completely ceremonial. Just like everybody still calls it Mariucci Arena not the corporate name.
Well duh...Edina, Minnetonka and Wayzata are awful
The biggest farce of them all is...even if the name stayed at Bde Maka Ska everyone still called it Calhoun. The name change is completely ceremonial. Just like everybody still calls it Mariucci Arena not the corporate name.
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