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The States: North Dakota is Still the Worst

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dxmnkd316 said:
I’m going to be honest, I’ve hated comments like these and not just on abortion. Shutting women out of the conversation is wrong, but just because we’re men doesn’t mean we can’t have an understanding about pregnancies and what they entail.

It’s the equivalent of saying “you can’t have an opinion on contact to the head penalties because you’ve never played hockey.”
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We're not talking about opinions, we are talking about power.

You never have to worry about the male perspective not being given a fair hearing, on anything, just like whites and straights and above all the rich. All the "neutral" world is is an incessant echoing of those groups' perspectives.

What I am taking about is removing men from having any power over what women do with a pregnancy. That is a vestige of the in loco parentis sexism of protecting the Madonna / correcting the whore that has infected Western thought for the 1600 years since Augustine tried to work out his mommy issues, and has now happily been discarded by everyone except sociopaths in the Middle East and saps in the American South, or vice versa.

Men are in the game on parenting. By definition, an abortion isn't about parenting. An abortion is about a woman's body. On that topic you and I have literally not a single meaningful word to say.
 
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Kepler said:
By definition, an abortion isn't about parenting. An abortion is about a woman's body. On that topic you and I have literally not a single meaningful word to say.
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And that’s where you’re just flat out wrong.

Sometimes when the baby is clearly going to struggle to survive, the parents have a decision to make about whether they terminate or or. That’s about parenting. It’s also sometimes a co-equal decision. But the woman could unilaterally decide one way or the other. That’s her right.

The rest of your post is just rabble. Of course it always comes down to what the woman wants. It’s her decision. Always. But saying men shouldn’t have a say on policy is just silly. And it’s still no different from saying a person who hasn’t played hockey doesn’t get to sit on the rules committee. That’s just dumb.
 
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I suggest reading this twitter feed posted by a Mormon woman.

https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363431893725184?lang=en


Here's the highlights.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you want to stop abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. And men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies. No for real, they are. Perhaps you are thinking: IT TAKES TWO! And yes, it does take two for _intentional_ pregnancies.</p>— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) <a href="https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363432791273472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">But ALL unwanted pregnancies are caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men. Period. Don’t believe me? Let me walk you through it. Let’s start with this: women can only get pregnant about 2 days each month. And that’s for a limited number of years.</p>— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) <a href="https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363433634422784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That makes 24 days a year a women might get pregnant. But men can _cause_ pregnancy 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year.</p>— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) <a href="https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363434477420544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
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dxmnkd316 said:
And that’s where you’re just flat out wrong.

Sometimes when the baby is clearly going to struggle to survive, the parents have a decision to make about whether they terminate or or. That’s about parenting. It’s also sometimes a co-equal decision. But the woman could unilaterally decide one way or the other. That’s her right.

The rest of your post is just rabble. Of course it always comes down to what the woman wants. It’s her decision. Always. But saying men shouldn’t have a say on policy is just silly. And it’s still no different from saying a person who hasn’t played hockey doesn’t get to sit on the rules committee. That’s just dumb.
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Opinions vary. After 5000 years of f-cking women over, I'm willing to sit this one out.
 
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Mormon woman's information is not entirely correct. There are two types of mucus in the cervix, and they exist at different times in the cycle. One acts as a sort of plug - nothing in or out by natural means. The other forms as the woman approaches her ovulation date, and forms a sort of honeycomb-like design. It will hold the sperm in place, protecting the sperm, until ovulation. And, according to an OBGYN with whom I've spoken, women can even get pregnant during their menstruation.
 
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St. Clown said:
Mormon woman's information is not entirely correct. There are two types of mucus in the cervix, and they exist at different times in the cycle. One acts as a sort of plug - nothing in or out by natural means. The other forms as the woman approaches her ovulation date, and forms a sort of honeycomb-like design. It will hold the sperm in place, protecting the sperm, until ovulation. And, according to an OBGYN with whom I've spoken, women can even get pregnant during their menstruation.
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My understanding is the egg generally doesn’t survive until menstruation. If it’s not fertilized, it breaks down. I don’t know how long it can survive but it’s not terribly long.

Obviously different people have different genetics and things can work a little differently.

Then again, maybe I’m talking out of my ***.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
My understanding is the egg generally doesn’t survive until menstruation. If it’s not fertilized, it breaks down. I don’t know how long it can survive but it’s not terribly long.

Obviously different people have different genetics and things can work a little differently.

Then again, maybe I’m talking out of my ***.
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The OBGYN didn't get into the deep details with me. I'd wager that it's only at the very beginning of menstruation.
 
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St. Clown said:
The OBGYN didn't get into the deep details with me. I'd wager that it's only at the very beginning of menstruation.
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Could be. Different women have different cycle lengths. If she has an abnormally short cycle that could be. If it’s 32 days instead of 28ish, the chance of getting pregnant a day before menstruation is going to be way out on the end of the bell curve.

But yeah, again, cycles change and every woman is different. So the bottom line is it’s not that simple. I mean, it might be, but ovulation isn’t always predictable and it’s not always outwardly recognizable.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
And that’s where you’re just flat out wrong.

Sometimes when the baby is clearly going to struggle to survive, the parents have a decision to make about whether they terminate or or. That’s about parenting. It’s also sometimes a co-equal decision. But the woman could unilaterally decide one way or the other. That’s her right.

The rest of your post is just rabble. Of course it always comes down to what the woman wants. It’s her decision. Always. But saying men shouldn’t have a say on policy is just silly. And it’s still no different from saying a person who hasn’t played hockey doesn’t get to sit on the rules committee. That’s just dumb.
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When the wife and I were trying to have our kid, she made it abundantly clear that I had 49% of the vote, which in a 2 party system is effectively 0.
 
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unofan said:
When the wife and I were trying to have our kid, she made it abundantly clear that I had 49% of the vote, which in a 2 party system is effectively 0.
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And that’s exactly what I said.
 
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unofan said:
When the wife and I were trying to have our kid, she made it abundantly clear that I had 49% of the vote, which in a 2 party system is effectively 0.
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Surprised Republicans haven't set up some weird electoral college system for men in the deep red states yet.
 
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They reap what they sow. When it comes to Republican pols, I have very few tears left to spare.
 
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Well, if women can only get pregnant 24 days of the year, or so, don't have sex on those days. ;)

I'm obviously saying this not even half-serious. Mormon Woman has some issues with men.
 
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I have an inkling that Mormon Woman may not have an advanced degree in the medical field. Just saying... ;)
 
ScoobyDoo said:
I suggest reading this twitter feed posted by a Mormon woman.

https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363431893725184?lang=en


Here's the highlights.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you want to stop abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. And men are 100% responsible for unwanted pregnancies. No for real, they are. Perhaps you are thinking: IT TAKES TWO! And yes, it does take two for _intentional_ pregnancies.</p>— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) <a href="https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363432791273472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">But ALL unwanted pregnancies are caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men. Period. Don’t believe me? Let me walk you through it. Let’s start with this: women can only get pregnant about 2 days each month. And that’s for a limited number of years.</p>— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) <a href="https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363433634422784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That makes 24 days a year a women might get pregnant. But men can _cause_ pregnancy 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year.</p>— Gabrielle Blair (@designmom) <a href="https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1040363434477420544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Thought women had responsibilities for their bodies?!? :confused:
 
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