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The States: Maybe A National Divorce Is A Good Idea After All

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Kepler said:
I knew what I was saying.

The red staters will stay and pray for the water to recede and drown. The blue staters will move inland to the new coasts and drive the prices out of reach of the local derps.

Million dollar ocean beachfront in Hartford, Harrisburg, Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville, Memphis, Little Rock, Austin, Tucson, Phoenix, Vegas, and Sacramento. The derps driven into the new deserts of the Prairie and Mountain West.
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Fair enough.
 
Handyman said:
Is it the posit of certain people that there is no Blue States except on the coast? Interesting...

Land doesn't vote...plus Red Staters dont have money to own land most of the time. You know who does...Blue Staters moving away who wont pay coastal housing prices anymore! You can probably buy half of Wyoming for the price a condo in the Bay Area ;^)
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OR and WA became colonies of NoCal in the 90s and went blue.

VA and NC are becoming colonies of NY-New England and going blue.

AZ and TX are becoming colonies of SoCal and going blue.

We are mobile; they have mobile homes. We have skills; they have stills.

Their future is as our minimum wage labor. Wherever we move, we will get the best jobs and the best property and they will self-segregate in their godly, backwards, bare subsistence communities, leech off our taxes, and complain.
 
Handyman said:
plus Red Staters dont have money to own land most of the time. You know who does...Blue Staters moving away who wont pay coastal housing prices anymore!
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It's a curious fact that the state with the highest percentage of their population that owns their own home is West Virginia. The three worst (maybe not surprising): Washington, D.C., NY, and CA.
 
Handyman said:
Is it the posit of certain people that there is no Blue States except on the coast? Interesting...
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No, it's that if you take out the vast metropolitan areas on both coasts you have huge red state majorities in the electoral college and Congress.
 
ticapnews said:
No, it's that if you take out the vast metropolitan areas on both coasts you have huge red state majorities in the electoral college and Congress.
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Do you think all these blue people will sink with the cities and drown? They’re not conservative morons, they’ll move when their lives are on the line and turn somewhere else blue
 
Kepler said:
OR and WA became colonies of NoCal in the 90s and went blue.

VA and NC are becoming colonies of NY-New England and going blue.

AZ and TX are becoming colonies of SoCal and going blue.

We are mobile; they have mobile homes. We have skills; they have stills.

Their future is as our minimum wage labor. Wherever we move, we will get the best jobs and the best property and they will self-segregate in their godly, backwards, bare subsistence communities, leech off our taxes, and complain.
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Have you paid any attention at all to what electricians, plumbers and various other tradesmen earn these days? They’re not notoriously blue voters, and union plumbers are earning well north of most people when factoring in their benefits.

Minneapolis wages from 2019/2020

https://pipefitters539.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2020-Metro-Wages.pdf
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Do you think all these blue people will sink with the cities and drown? They’re not conservative morons, they’ll move when their lives are on the line and turn somewhere else blue
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Most places are gerrymandered to oblivion so moving will not make that much difference. For example, the vote count in North Carolina in 2020 was 2,660,535 votes for Democrats and 2,631,336 for Republicans, yet the GOP won 10 of 13 seats.

Of course, climate change will reconfigure the political landscape anyway. But the original point, which people conveniently ignored, is that most of the places that will be underwater in Kepler's map represent tens of millions of Democratic voters.
 
ticapnews said:
Most places are gerrymandered to oblivion so moving will not make that much difference. For example, the vote count in North Carolina in 2020 was 2,660,535 votes for Democrats and 2,631,336 for Republicans, yet the GOP won 10 of 13 seats.

Of course, climate change will reconfigure the political landscape anyway. But the original point, which people conveniently ignored, is that most of the places that will be underwater in Kepler's map represent tens of millions of Democratic voters.
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That was not the original point. If land voted, then that would have been the original point. Land, in fact, doesn’t vote, so it doesn’t matter what land is or isn’t underwater. Before the flood, those areas were inhabited by 10s of millions of Democratic voters. After the flood, those voters live someplace else. So what?
 
St. Clown said:
Have you paid any attention at all to what electricians, plumbers and various other tradesmen earn these days? They’re not notoriously blue voters, and union plumbers are earning well north of most people when factoring in their benefits.

Minneapolis wages from 2019/2020

https://pipefitters539.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/2020-Metro-Wages.pdf
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Most fitters with 4-6 years experience I know earn well north of 100k. Ditto with process electricians. I'm confident at least half of them make more than I do.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Most fitters with 4-6 years experience I know earn well north of 100k. Ditto with process electricians. I'm confident at least half of them make more than I do.
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I recently saw interesting Reddit thread about why more people aren’t going into trades. There are definitely things that can be done to encourage this, but what was fascinating to me was the younger men commenting on how tough many of the elder tradesmen make it to learn. Getting super angry and not willing to teach when something isn’t done right immediately. And women- Yeesh. Multiple stories of how women plumbers and electricians were harassed so badly they either quit or won huge settlements.

was an interesting read
 
And on topic of Reddit and moving states (yeah yeah I’m doing a crap ton of yard work, studying, etc and unwind reading Reddit) - lot of chatter about moving to Minnesota that surprised me. First- trans people from Florida amd Texas- ok not too surprising, we are a sanctuary state. But the main reason for moving was HCOL areas and realizing what they got in Minnesota- jobs. A home in burbs for under 600k and access to the top two US cities for parks. Lots of people from Colorado who have already moved here and said their outdoor access was better in MN despite the lack of mountains- because they can get to a state park here in under a half hour.

that’s all great, just pushes the increasing real estate problem to yet another state- and on and on it goes
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Most fitters with 4-6 years experience I know earn well north of 100k. Ditto with process electricians. I'm confident at least half of them make more than I do.
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My brother held a masters cert in HVAC. He was raking it in some 20
years ago. His employer then became a union shop and he was much happier - his union insurance was amazing. When he opened his own shop, he made it a union shop, he and his partner had their wives’ names as the owners, and the guys both gave themselves union positions. Along with other reasons, they said being union made it easier to expand when it came time for that, which in turn made them more profitable more quickly. All around, union was all positive for him and his partner.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
And on topic of Reddit and moving states (yeah yeah I’m doing a crap ton of yard work, studying, etc and unwind reading Reddit) - lot of chatter about moving to Minnesota that surprised me. First- trans people from Florida amd Texas- ok not too surprising, we are a sanctuary state. But the main reason for moving was HCOL areas and realizing what they got in Minnesota- jobs. A home in burbs for under 600k and access to the top two US cities for parks. Lots of people from Colorado who have already moved here and said their outdoor access was better in MN despite the lack of mountains- because they can get to a state park here in under a half hour.

that’s all great, just pushes the increasing real estate problem to yet another state- and on and on it goes
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No need to apologize for finding ways to unwind
 
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