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The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

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dxmnkd316 said:
NC GOP now refuses to repeal HB2...

**** these neanderthals.
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I know you think I'm a neanderthal, but don't ever pressure a legislature to change anything. They dig in their heels and tend to get a bit defensive.

Change will happen via the ballot box. If the people of NC disagree with the law, they are free to vote people in that will repeal the law. If they agree, the NCAA and the coastal elites can continue to grind their teeth.

Patience, grasshopper. Change sometimes takes a while. Take the long view.
 
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Only if you believe that the LGBT community doesn't deserve protections. Otherwise I don't see you as a Neanderthal. Well, there may be other criteria that inculpates you, but I can't think of any right now.

We decided decades ago it isn't ok to tell black people to **** off when they wanted to buy a cake. Now we have the Christian Sharia Right trying to pass Jim Crow laws targeting the LGBT community.

And stop using the word, "elites." It makes you look ridiculous. Really ridiculous.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Only if you believe that the LGBT community doesn't deserve protections. Otherwise I don't see you as a Neanderthal. Well, there may be other criteria that inculpates you, but I can't think of any right now.

We decided decades ago it isn't ok to tell black people to **** off when they wanted to buy a cake. Now we have the Christian Sharia Right trying to pass Jim Crow laws targeting the LGBT community.

And stop using the word, "elites." It makes you look ridiculous. Really ridiculous.
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Well what do you call the coasties who couldn't believe that anyone could vote for tD? What the coasties espouse may not play in Peoria or Paducah.

What is a protected class? Who decides who is in and who is out? Can you be a protected class one day and not the next?

Are we creating a perpetual culture of victimhood?

Unofan is probably freaking out right now with all these questions. Teachers do that in class (or used to) to encourage thinking.
 
joecct said:
Well what do you call the coasties who couldn't believe that anyone could vote for tD?
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North Carolina is on the coast. I've been to the beach there many times.

What is a protected class? Who decides who is in and who is out? Can you be a protected class one day and not the next?
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It depends. It depends. No.

Are we creating a perpetual culture of victimhood?
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Looks like it, but not in the way your question implies. In fact, the irony in your question is so thick that it'd take an icebreaker to cut through it.

Teachers do that in class (or used to) to encourage thinking.
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Sayeth the person still stuck with pre Vatican 2 era thoughts. Done much thinking in the last forty years?
 
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joecct said:
Well what do you call the coasties who couldn't believe that anyone could vote for tD? What the coasties espouse may not play in Peoria or Paducah.

What is a protected class? Who decides who is in and who is out? Can you be a protected class one day and not the next?

Are we creating a perpetual culture of victimhood?

Unofan is probably freaking out right now with all these questions. Teachers do that in class (or used to) to encourage thinking.
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I will ask the same question I asked Sic:

Do you understand why we have protected classes?
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I will ask the same question I asked Sic:

Do you understand why we have protected classes?
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Sure. Besides grumpy old white men, what group is not? :)

uno - compare/contrast pre vs. post V2 RC church. 1970 (actually 1st Sunday of Advent 1969) is a good point of demarcation. You may even want to back to 1965 with the supression of the Leonine Prayers after Mass.
 
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joecct said:
What is a protected class? Who decides who is in and who is out? Can you be a protected class one day and not the next?

Are we creating a perpetual culture of victimhood?
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I can't speak for others, but personally I don't feel like I'm being made to feel the victim just because I'm included in some protected classes.

You have to remember that we are all included in at least a couple of protected classes, probably more like 5 or 6 for many of us. It includes our national origin, our race, our sex, and our religious preferences. I think there is a protected class based upon your genetic material, so that's another. People like myself are old enough to hit the age class, too. Many of us may have health issues or conditions that might possibly qualify as a disability.

You don't feel like you are in a protected class because right now no one is treating you unfairly because of your membership.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Only if you believe that the LGBT community doesn't deserve protections. Otherwise I don't see you as a Neanderthal. Well, there may be other criteria that inculpates you, but I can't think of any right now.

We decided decades ago it isn't ok to tell black people to **** off when they wanted to buy a cake. Now we have the Christian Sharia Right trying to pass Jim Crow laws targeting the LGBT community.

And stop using the word, "elites." It makes you look ridiculous. Really ridiculous.
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There's a big difference between protection and shoving ideology down people's throats. From what I've seen, every single argument put forth is the latter. The group decides they're either born with it or chose it depending on whichever gives them the best political advantage for the specific case. Every single group is OK with private establishments refusing the right to service until they're affected, and then they need nanny government to step in. No one's forcing these establishments to even provide a service or product. Think you can do it better? Step up and do it. The people you're bashing would be more than happy to help you with eliminating non-capital barriers to entry when it comes to starting a business.

And we'll stop using the word "elites" when you stop representing the concept as elite, as you did by referring to anyone who doesn't see your point of view as a Neanderthal.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Was it ever? Especially considering, constitutionally, states are to form a government in the style of a republic.
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At the state level, they're considered representative republics because after we democratically elect our officials to office, those officials cast votes on specific laws. In a true/pure democracy, each citizen would have to cast a vote on each and every bill that's proposed. This article is saying that NC is now a democracy in the same way Iraq was a democracy under Hussein, or Venezuela calls itself a democratic republic today.
 
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St. Clown said:
At the state level, they're considered representative republics because after we democratically elect our officials to office, those officials cast votes on specific laws. In a true/pure democracy, each citizen would have to cast a vote on each and every bill that's proposed. This article is saying that NC is now a democracy in the same way Iraq was a democracy under Hussein, or Venezuela calls itself a democratic republic today.
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Ya know for a guy who hates government overreach and worries about conspiracies he sure does seem to like them when they are his party. Still waiting for Obama to declare Martial Law and make himself King.
 
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He still has 28 days for that to happen.

And don't think he won't! :mad:
 
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Handyman said:
Ya know for a guy who hates government overreach and worries about conspiracies he sure does seem to like them when they are his party. Still waiting for Obama to declare Martial Law and make himself King.
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Hey now, worst scoring voting districts on the planet is exactly what we need in our constitutional republic! It's what the founding fathers would have wanted. How else will we protect rural Americans?
 
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Evaluating the state of democracy of America. A report by EIP and not good. Among the highlights, NC is no longer considered a true democracy and is rated at about Cuba. Also NC is rated at 7/100 in regards to district boundaries...the worst score by any gobal entity ever. Oh and WI just missed on that score at 8/100. Wisconsin came in just short of Arizona...the worst state in the country.

https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/featured-dataset/
 
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