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The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I have no problem with eliminating the straight ticket. I think being able to vote absentee without cause is just another way of adults shirking their duties. There are already enough "fair" excuses.
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Colorado pretty much encourages voting by mail in ballot rather than in person, it's fantastic being able to complete it at home and either mail in or drop off.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I have no problem with eliminating the straight ticket. I think being able to vote absentee without cause is just another way of adults shirking their duties. There are already enough "fair" excuses.
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Seriously? What makes voting on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November so much better than voting a day, a week, or a month beforehand?
 
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unofan said:
Seriously? What makes voting on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November so much better than voting a day, a week, or a month beforehand?
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Yeah, I have to agree with unofan. I don't see the big deal...
 
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jerphisch said:
Colorado pretty much encourages voting by mail in ballot rather than in person, it's fantastic being able to complete it at home and either mail in or drop off.
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OR has been only vote by mail for years. It works very well.
 
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unofan said:
Seriously? What makes voting on the Tuesday following the first Monday of November so much better than voting a day, a week, or a month beforehand?
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I like voting in person because it shows a certain (rather small) level of dedication to the process, that you're willing to make time for the occasion rather than having it fit into your schedule.
 
St. Clown said:
I like voting in person because it shows a certain (rather small) level of dedication to the process, that you're willing to make time for the occasion rather than having it fit into your schedule.
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I also vote in person, I just do it a week or so early. So long as someone votes, how are they "shirking" their duty if they do so early or by absentee ballot?
 
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St. Clown said:
I like voting in person because it shows a certain (rather small) level of dedication to the process, that you're willing to make time for the occasion rather than having it fit into your schedule.
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The first step is making it a national holiday. It is insane that we vote on a workday. It's basically saying, "poor people not allowed."
 
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Kepler said:
The first step is making it a national holiday. It is insane that we vote on a workday. It's basically saying, "poor people not allowed."
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It's not insane, it's rooted in deference to the religious and geographic history of the population. We don't execute prisoners on the Sabbath, and don't vote on the weekends for that same reason. We don't vote on Mondays because it gave the farmers time to travel to their polling locations after the Sabbath. It's all quite logical, but if you want to change it you'll need a Constitutional amendment to make that happen.
 
Kepler said:
The first step is making it a national holiday. It is insane that we vote on a workday. It's basically saying, "poor people not allowed."
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July 4. The results can be celebrated with conflagrations and illuminations. In the case of national elections, Congress seats on 9/1 and the President inaugurated on 9/11.
 
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joecct said:
July 4. The results can be celebrated with conflagrations and illuminations. In the case of national elections, Congress seats on 9/1 and the President inaugurated on 9/11.
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Let's make it July 2 in honor of the day we actually declared independence. :-)

(I actually love the idea of opening voting on July 4 and having it continue for a week.

I also favor holding the All Star Game on July 4.)

While we're at it, get rid of Veterans Day and bring back Armistice Day. It's a more noble thing to celebrate, plus we should be treating veterans better all year around.
 
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St. Clown said:
I like voting in person because it shows a certain (rather small) level of dedication to the process, that you're willing to make time for the occasion rather than having it fit into your schedule.
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unofan said:
I also vote in person, I just do it a week or so early. So long as someone votes, how are they "shirking" their duty if they do so early or by absentee ballot?
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I guess I see your point, but I agree with Clown. And I suppose Kepler may be right about people working long shifts or two jobs who can't make time to get to the polls.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I suppose Kepler may be right about people working long shifts or two jobs who can't make time to get to the polls.
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Depends on the state, I guess: NY and CT require employers to give employees up to two hours off on Election Day to get to the polls.

and every election season we get robocalls from various candidates' campaigns offering to drive people to the polls if they cannot make it on their own.
 
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jerphisch said:
Colorado pretty much encourages voting by mail in ballot rather than in person, it's fantastic being able to complete it at home and either mail in or drop off.
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once we figure out how to ensure "one person one vote" and how to ensure that the person who wants to vote is actually the person whom they claim to be, we'll migrate to on-line voting fairly quickly, I'll bet.

The only reason we have ballot boxes and polling places is to have observers overseeing the process to make sure everyone trusts that it is legitimate.
 
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Kepler said:
The first step is making it a national holiday. It is insane that we vote on a workday. It's basically saying, "poor people not allowed."
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If it were possible to experiment with this, then go back when it fails, I'd like to try this. Unfortunately, once you take this step, it's locked in. No way a federal holiday comes off the board.

The reason I'd like to see an experiment with this is I believe voter turnout would actually go down, possibly significantly. Too many people to comfortable at home, watching some dumb tv show, not showering or putting on anything but sweats. And then there are the commercial opportunities. "Election sales" with door buster deals.
 
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I'm not sure I'm in favor of it being a federal holiday. It just means the employers would take away one of our other holidays or vacation days for a worthless Tuesday in November
 
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SJHovey said:
And then there are the commercial opportunities. "Election sales" with door buster deals.
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Close the stores like they used to close the liquor stores. We spend 364 days looking up our own commercial as-hole, we can have one day of civil observance.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I'm not sure I'm in favor of it being a federal holiday. It just means the employers would take away one of our other holidays or vacation days for a worthless Tuesday in November
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Not even the Federal Government gets off for Election Day.
 
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Kepler said:
Close the stores like they used to close the liquor stores. We spend 364 days looking up our own commercial as-hole, we can have one day of civil observance.
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And what about the industries that operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including holidays?
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
And what about the industries that operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, including holidays?
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There are obvious exceptions, but it doesn't matter anyway if voting is for a week.

The only reason we don't do this is so that the "wrong" people don't vote.
 
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