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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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ScoobyDoo said:
Speaking of States read the Star Tribune today. New polls indicate that we are just about 50/50 in the recent poll despite Trump. We're getting closer and closer to Wisconsin and Iowa every day.

http://www.startribune.com/mixed-vi...ut-majority-sees-rich-gaining-most/469834973/
http://www.startribune.com/poll-sho...n-democratic-and-republican-voters/469811903/
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IIRC, wasn't the vote in Minnesota pretty close in 2016? And they said Texas was becoming purple... no, I think it's Minnesota that's becoming purple...
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
IIRC, wasn't the vote in Minnesota pretty close in 2016? And they said Texas was becoming purple... no, I think it's Minnesota that's becoming purple...
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It was because Dems didn't go to the polls. Chump got almost the exact votes as Mittens (within 2K IIRC). Yet he lost by 1% when Mittens lost by almost double digits.

If Dems continue to sit out elections then yes Minny and a lot of other places would go purple/red. Thus far is seems the left has temporarily learned that lesson. Lets see if it continues.
 
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Rover said:
It was because Dems didn't go to the polls. Chump got almost the exact votes as Mittens (within 2K IIRC). Yet he lost by 1% when Mittens lost by almost double digits.

If Dems continue to sit out elections then yes Minny and a lot of other places would go purple/red. Thus far is seems the left has temporarily learned that lesson. Lets see if it continues.
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Don't nominate a consummate insider in an outsider cycle. Don't market poison ivy for the position of skin cream.
 
Kepler said:
I agree with Dr. Mrs.' theory: 17 stalking horses and 3 finalists. Amazon will pick a DC area HQ to get on the federal gravy train, particularly with classified intel services. The other sites are only there to wring concessions from the DC sites.
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Im not sure. Some of the locations already house other Amazon functions. So they may want to just expand in one of those locations.

Locally there is already a software development center and a fulfillment center. Im sure others on the list have similar situations.
 
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Kepler said:
Don't nominate a consummate insider in an outsider cycle. Don't market poison ivy for the position of skin cream.
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Keep up that attitude = keep losing to Republicans. You either vote based on who's closest to you on the issues, or you allow the Trump/Ryan/McConnell's of the world to undo everything you stand for.
 
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Rover said:
Keep up that attitude = keep losing to Republicans. You either vote based on who's closest to you on the issues, or you allow the Trump/Ryan/McConnell's of the world to undo everything you stand for.
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I'm convinced it's hopeless. Democrats have to fall in love. Republicans don't. That's at least a 10 point swing right there very cycle.
 
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Rover said:
Keep up that attitude = keep losing to Republicans. You either vote based on who's closest to you on the issues, or you allow the Trump/Ryan/McConnell's of the world to undo everything you stand for.
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I absolutely agree that every person with a brain should have voted for Hillary. But outside the Cafe 90% of people view pols as just another product, and if you put a sh-t product on sale it still won't sell. Politics and religion are the only two consumer products where if the product doesn't sell the salesman blames the customer. That way lies bankruptcy.

If you have that attitude you are a terrible salesperson and should be fired.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I'm convinced it's hopeless. Democrats have to fall in love. Republicans don't. That's at least a 10 point swing right there very cycle.
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That's not it. The problem is when the GOP nominee does not match the consumer preference then they just out lie. The Dems don't do that -- they insist on being honest with the consumer and then lecture them when the product doesn't sell.

That's because Dems come from academia and Republicans come from marketing. Republicans don't care about lying as long as they move product. Dems care about Truth and think as long as they speak clearly enough the electorate will have an epiphany and join them.

That's the difference. The Dems either have to start picking nominees who can win (like Obama) or they have to learn how to lie without compunction or guilt.
 
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Kepler said:
I absolutely agree that every person with a brain should have voted for Hillary. But outside the Cafe 90% of people view pols as just another product, and if you put a sh-t product on sale it still won't sell. Politics and religion are the only two consumer products where if the product doesn't sell the salesman blames the customer. That way lies bankruptcy.

If you have that attitude you are a terrible salesperson and should be fired.
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So, you're selling one of two lifesaving products. There's only two realistic alternatives, option 3 is to do nothing, suffer and die. Option 1 doesn't make you feel 100% better, but keeps you alive. Option 2 only benefits 1% of the population but if you're in the 1% its the best one. The other 99% croak.

Kep "I'll take option 3 please". :D

Its a zero sum game Kep. If people are too stupid to realize that, let them get screwed. Like I said before, for example, all those Gary Johnson supporters are going to love those mandatory minimums for smoking a joint courtesy of Jeff Sessions. If there was only SOME WAY to have prevented him from getting that job....:confused:
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yeah, Minnesota is out of the running. Not sure if I wanted it or not. I think everything is just too big nowadays.
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it would be a mixed blessing for sure. Amazon's rise has caused housing costs (and homelessness) to skyrocket in Seattle. Public transportation projects can't keep pace with the rapid growth. I seriously think they should have put it somewhere like Detroit.
 
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Umm..nobody wants to live in Detroit, which is why its depopulating? Had this discussion on another message board with a guy who was pimping Baltimore like his life depends on it. Sure its a sh ithole, a dump and the murder capital of the country, but housing is cheap, baby! Huh...I wonder why. :eek: ;)
 
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Rover said:
So, you're selling one of two lifesaving products. There's only two realistic alternatives, option 3 is to do nothing, suffer and die. Option 1 doesn't make you feel 100% better, but keeps you alive. Option 2 only benefits 1% of the population but if you're in the 1% its the best one. The other 99% croak.

Kep "I'll take option 3 please". :D

Its a zero sum game Kep. If people are too stupid to realize that, let them get screwed. Like I said before, for example, all those Gary Johnson supporters are going to love those mandatory minimums for smoking a joint courtesy of Jeff Sessions. If there was only SOME WAY to have prevented him from getting that job....:confused:
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Our arguments are orthogonal. You would be right objectively if people were fully informed and logical. I am right objectively because people are neither fully informed nor logical.

We cannot change the population our product is marketed to. It is a given. You are saying "my drive was longer and straighter!" and I am saying "yeah, but this is a dog leg par 3."
 
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Rover said:
It was because Dems didn't go to the polls. Chump got almost the exact votes as Mittens (within 2K IIRC). Yet he lost by 1% when Mittens lost by almost double digits.

If Dems continue to sit out elections then yes Minny and a lot of other places would go purple/red. Thus far is seems the left has temporarily learned that lesson. Lets see if it continues.
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Saying Trump got close in Minnesota in 2016, therefore, it could swing in 2020 relies on the logic that Trump is going to somehow gain more votes based on his performance at the job, and do better as the insider when he has to talk about what he's done right, as opposed to as the outsider who can just blather about everything that is wrong. I can see why a Flaggy or Scooby would think that, I can't see why a rational adult would.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Saying Trump got close in Minnesota in 2016, therefore, it could swing in 2020 relies on the logic that Trump is going to somehow gain more votes based on his performance at the job, and do better as the insider when he has to talk about what he's done right, as opposed to as the outsider who can just blather about everything that is wrong. I can see why a Flaggy or Scooby would think that, I can't see why a rational adult would.
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Emmm, Hmmm. And no rational adult thought Trump would win. Including his entire campaign staff.
 
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Kepler said:
Our arguments are orthogonal. You would be right objectively if people were fully informed and logical. I am right objectively because people are neither fully informed nor logical.

We cannot change the population our product is marketed to. It is a given. You are saying "my drive was longer and straighter!" and I am saying "yeah, but this is a dog leg par 3."
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Sure, but I have no desire to save people from themselves as you admirably do. Let people lose their healthcare and pay higher taxes amongst other things. Its about time people pay the price for either sitting out elections, wasting their votes, or voting Republican. That, instead of any fancy or inspirational rhetoric from a Dem candidate, will change the minds of the population we're marketing to. Although, now that's it been discovered that Trump was banging Stormy Daniels, I fear we've lost any chance at getting mookie's vote in 2020. :D
 
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