The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

[dxmnkd316]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

You mean...like a city?

So good.

 

[joecct]

You mean...like a city?

After 3 days there is nothing left in a city. The stores are empty of fresh food, gas is just about used up. Those that don't have will become jealous of those that do. Civil order will break down and you'll have riots on your hands.

Case in point - NYC blackouts.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

So good.

He’ll never get it.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

After 3 days there is nothing left in a city. The stores are empty of fresh food, gas is just about used up. Those that don't have will become jealous of those that do. Civil order will break down and you'll have riots on your hands.

Case in point - NYC blackouts.

None of which happened in NYC

 

[unofan]

After 3 days there is nothing left in a city. The stores are empty of fresh food, gas is just about used up. Those that don't have will become jealous of those that do. Civil order will break down and you'll have riots on your hands.

Case in point - NYC blackouts.

You mean the blackouts where that didn't happen?

And you didn't answer, so I'll repeat myself: What is a city if not groups of people coming together to pool their resources and efforts?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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When all is right and good with the world, being within an hour drive of a reasonably sized city is nice. But even that is not really needed any longer in the "Amazon Prime" world we're in (again, that's all is right and good with the world, shipping systems working, dependent).

And in today's interconnected world (where ND has a higher percentage of folks with access to 1GB broadband than 48 other states), the cities are not as advantaged as in the past. Toss in that we're more and more serviced based, many companies are finding it's more effective to be diversified around many mid-metros than concentrated in a large few and they are still as effective and profitable.

However, when ol' Lil' Kim pushes the button on his desk and he goes all EMP on ConUS, I want to be nowhere near any major urban area. If he'd do it right now during this cold snap in the east he'd do major and significant damage to life and property.

Why? Because a well done EMP attack takes out substations and transformers that have two year lead times on delivery. Oh, that's if the factory is up and running. (Remember, EMP, it's not.)

And it's not the lack of food or electricity that'll kill cities in Lil' Kim's wet dream.

It's the lack of fresh water -- to drink, to grow food, to clean, ... to flush.

 

[unofan]

When all is right and good with the world, being within an hour drive of a reasonably sized city is nice. But even that is not really needed any longer in the "Amazon Prime" world we're in (again, that's all is right and good with the world, shipping systems working, dependent).

And in today's interconnected world (where ND has a higher percentage of folks with access to 1GB broadband than 48 other states), the cities are not as advantaged as in the past. Toss in that we're more and more serviced based, many companies are finding it's more effective to be diversified around many mid-metros than concentrated in a large few and they are still as effective and profitable.

However, when ol' Lil' Kim pushes the button on his desk and he goes all EMP on ConUS, I want to be nowhere near any major urban area. If he'd do it right now during this cold snap in the east he'd do major and significant damage to life and property.

Why? Because a well done EMP attack takes out substations and transformers that have two year lead times on delivery. Oh, that's if the factory is up and running. (Remember, EMP, it's not.)

And it's not the lack of food or electricity that'll kill cities in Lil' Kim's wet dream.

It's the lack of fresh water -- to drink, to grow food, to clean, ... to flush.

Which is why rural areas are growing and metropolitan areas are shrinking.

Oh wait, no they're not. The 250 year trend of urbanization continues unfettered. Because people generally prefer to live where there is stuff to do, people to meet, and have a bevy of specialists in all sorts of fields to choose from.

Cities are more advantaged than ever in a service economy.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

Which is why rural areas are growing and metropolitan areas are shrinking.

Oh wait, no they're not. The 250 year trend of urbanization continues unfettered.

You are familiar with hari kari, yes?

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

Because people generally prefer to live where there is stuff to do, people to meet, and have a bevy of specialists in all sorts of fields to choose from.

Yes. Indeed. But they also prefer lower crime and taxes and a community feeling.

That's why the Omahas, Sioux Falls, Fargos, Bismarcks, Rochester MNs, and Grand Forks, are growing well above pace of other areas. They have amenities of larger cities but without the long commutes and other urban issues.

 

[unofan]

Yes. Indeed. But they also prefer lower crime and taxes and a community feeling.

That's why the Omahas, Sioux Falls, Fargos, Bismarcks, Rochester MNs, and Grand Forks, are growing well above pace of other areas. They have amenities of larger cities but without the long commutes and other urban issues.

Omaha has a metro area population greater than all of North Dakota. I'm guessing it's too big for your bumpkin taste.

For the record, here's how I picture you and Joe:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/local....he-could-handle-frantic-pace-o-1819565879/amp

 

[Handyman]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

Yes. Indeed. But they also prefer lower crime and taxes and a community feeling.

That's why the Omahas, Sioux Falls, Fargos, Bismarcks, Rochester MNs, and Grand Forks, are growing well above pace of other areas. They have amenities of larger cities but without the long commutes and other urban issues.

You realize those are cities right? You just argued against your own point.

Then again you are pushing the EMP BS so you are a full on loonbat anyways.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I love it when you go ad hominem; it says more about you than me.

Omaha isn't bad. Spent a week there last fall.

But MSP ("seven counties") is the zoo to me: fun to visit, wouldn't want to live there.

 

[unofan]

I love it when you go ad hominem; it says more about you than me.

Omaha isn't bad. Spent a week there last fall.

But MSP ("seven counties") is the zoo to me: fun to visit, wouldn't want to live there.

Yeah, the cities are too crowded. No one wants to live there...

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

You realize those are cities right? You just argued against your own point.

Then again you are pushing the EMP BS so you are a full on loonbat anyways.

Cities, sure. Major urban areas? No.

And yeah, I think about security of America's electric grid, be it cyber or EMP or otherwise. Why? It's a soft target and has the most reach (most ouch for the poke) in the US right now. And because I'm tasked with and paid to worry about it. I'll say "Hi" to Mac McLennan and Paul Sukut for you next time I see them.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Which is why rural areas are growing and metropolitan areas are shrinking.

Oh wait, no they're not. The 250 year trend of urbanization continues unfettered. Because people generally prefer to live where there is stuff to do, people to meet, and have a bevy of specialists in all sorts of fields to choose from.

Cities are more advantaged than ever in a service economy.

Maybe because governments keep pushing up property taxes. It's called Agenda 2030. A nation of renters living in 200 sq ft coffin apartments. Just take one look at Austin.

 

[trixR4kids]

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I like how his argument against cities is nuclear war caused by the idiot he voted for or some zombie apocalypse that's never going to happen. And also naming cities as an counter argument to living in cities.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

Cities, sure. Major urban areas? No.

And yeah, I think about security of America's electric grid, be it cyber or EMP or otherwise. Why? It's a soft target and has the most reach (most ouch for the poke) in the US right now. And because I'm tasked with and paid to worry about it. I'll say "Hi" to Mac McLennan and Paul Sukut for you next time I see them.

So NK cant shoot off a missile correctly but they are going to shut down our electrical grid with a highly advanced EMP weapon? Sure thing Sparky. You remind me of a truck driver I know who believes the government is breeding and training Sasquatches to be the next super army. (not kidding) He always talks about an EMP attack is imminent.

Trust me, no one around here feels safer knowing you are on the case.

 

[Handyman]

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I like how his argument against cities is nuclear war caused by the idiot he voted for or some zombie apocalypse that's never going to happen. And also naming cities as an counter argument to living in cities.

Hey cities suck, unless they are the cities are ones he likes!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

Speaking of States read the Star Tribune today. New polls indicate that we are just about 50/50 in the recent poll despite Trump. We're getting closer and closer to Wisconsin and Iowa every day.

http://www.startribune.com/mixed-vi...ut-majority-sees-rich-gaining-most/469834973/
http://www.startribune.com/poll-sho...n-democratic-and-republican-voters/469811903/

A new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll found that 47 percent are now inclined to vote for a Democrat, while 45 percent said they'll probably vote for a Republican — a statistical tie given the poll's 3.5 percentage point margin of error.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

So NK cant shoot off a missile correctly but they are going to shut down our electrical grid with a highly advanced EMP weapon? Sure thing Sparky. You remind me of a truck driver I know who believes the government is breeding and training Sasquatches to be the next super army. (not kidding) He always talks about an EMP attack is imminent.

Trust me, no one around here feels safer knowing you are on the case.

Doesn't necessarily have to be North Korea, or a missile. Remember the Northeastern Blackout of 2003? The point is that the country is INCREDIBLY vulnerable.