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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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mookie1995 said:
ROAD projects where gas using payers are utilizing, right? or is this gas tax paying for other shi... er stuff?
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Hmmm...I would say it pays for roads and rail as they tend to be interdependent (moving both people and goods). If the rail bridge over the highway is failing, does mookie propose to let it fall onto the interstate before any repairs are made? :eek:

Beyond that though, it injects some honesty into the budgetary process. Today Chump is proposing a 1.5T infrastructure program with like $150M of federal dollars backing it up. Ummm..Donald, that ain't gonna work.
 
aparch said:
$%@& your Mileage Tax plan.

More rationally:
-Is this a national tax or state tax?
- Are each state's taxing at the exact same rate, or are they different rates? Who's responsible for differentiating
- How are state's without emissions testing administering the tax: tattle-tale or openly charging the user a flat rate and putting the proof they didn't drive that much on the user?
- Who pays for each tattle-tale, and for it to phone home to report it's statistics?
- How are roads not funded with State/Federal funding deducted from the tax?
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Like most everything else in the USA - one size or tax does not fit all. I would imagine the tax / mile driven would differ from state to state just like sales and real estate taxes.

If the government wants our money, they will figure out a way to get it.
 
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aparch said:
Oh, Scooby, another passing thought, if tolls are to offset the federal funding, who pays for the installation and maintenance of said toll plazas? Is that cost factored into this Senators thoughts? What about the sale of transponders or stickers, and interoperability between the EZPass network?
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Pull a Massachusetts and go with electronic gantries. ;)
 
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aparch said:
- How are roads not funded with State/Federal funding deducted from the tax?
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Easy: Get more money, legislator gets a pork project like harboring illegals through for either a kickback or some votes, finds they're out of money, asks for more to cover their original ask.
 
Rover said:
Hmmm...I would say it pays for roads and rail as they tend to be interdependent (moving both people and goods). If the rail bridge over the highway is failing, does mookie propose to let it fall onto the interstate before any repairs are made? :eek:

Beyond that though, it injects some honesty into the budgetary process. Today Chump is proposing a 1.5T infrastructure program with like $150M of federal dollars backing it up. Ummm..Donald, that ain't gonna work.
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That’s where you lose people though. Gas tax was for roads... not for Choo choo
 
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mookie1995 said:
That’s where you lose people though. Gas tax was for roads... not for Choo choo
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Frankly I doubt people have given it that much thought. "Infrastructure" is sufficiently vague and besides one would think the vast majority of dough would go to roads.
 
Rover said:
Frankly I doubt people have given it that much thought. "Infrastructure" is sufficiently vague and besides one would think the vast majority of dough would go to roads.
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Mookie is not talking this past week. He is talking the past decade.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The crumbling infrastructure started with Reagan. Just like everything else. That ****er and his acolytes have destroyed the country.
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It was all part of The Plan. Destroy government, drive it into default, have the rich swoop in and steal everything not nailed down; leave the bills for the middle class to pay off or not, it doesn't matter, the rich are supernational. The Republicans did to America from 1980 to the present almost exactly what the Russian oligarchs did in Moscow in the 1990s, and it was just as deliberate.

It's the greatest theft in history. And in keeping with the long con, the people they conned are still conned. :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
It was all part of The Plan. Destroy government, drive it into default, have the rich swoop in and steal everything not nailed down; leave the bills for the middle class to pay off or not, it doesn't matter, the rich are supernational. The Republicans did to America from 1980 to the present almost exactly what the Russian oligarchs did in Moscow in the 1990s, and it was just as deliberate.

It's the greatest theft in history. And in keeping with the long con, the people they conned are still conned. :rolleyes:
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Hey, I got my $500 this year. Wheeee.
 
Kepler said:
It was all part of The Plan. Destroy government, drive it into default, have the rich swoop in and steal everything not nailed down; leave the bills for the middle class to pay off or not, it doesn't matter, the rich are supernational. The Republicans did to America from 1980 to the present almost exactly what the Russian oligarchs did in Moscow in the 1990s, and it was just as deliberate.

It's the greatest theft in history. And in keeping with the long con, the people they conned are still conned. :rolleyes:
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Didn't LBJ start us on the road with the Great Society and Vietnam?

Footnote: The Congress of Reagan was infinitely better than what the voters have now. That Congress got along. This Congress (and probably since 42) is all about which party "wins" and screw the country.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Pull a Massachusetts and go with electronic gantries. ;)
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Who pays for the installation? Who pays the $7.25 an hour employee to sit and monitor the tolls?

Tolling for a mileage tax, or even using tattle-tale devices are completely stupid.

Just charge everyone an extra $200 each year for license plate renewals.
 
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joecct said:
Didn't LBJ start us on the road with the Great Society and Vietnam?
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Those are two different things.

Vietnam was stupid.

The Great Society, like the New Deal and the GI Bill, paid for itself many times over with the entry into a full life of so many Americans who would have been denied that under the totalitarianism of trickle down and laissez faire.
 
Kepler said:
Those are two different things.

Vietnam was stupid.

The Great Society, like the New Deal and the GI Bill, paid for itself many times over with the entry into a full life of so many Americans who would have been denied that under the totalitarianism of trickle down.
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And increased dependency upon the State. Eventually the State runs out of other peoples' money.
 
joecct said:
And increased dependency upon the State. Eventually the State runs out of other peoples' money.
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Weak sauce, Joe. If we are really the greatest nation the world has ever known, we should be capable of doing better than that.
 
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joecct said:
And increased dependency upon the State. Eventually the State runs out of other peoples' money.
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Why does every tired old knuckledragger keep repeating the same slogans? I like the variation on Margaret Thatcher's "the problem with socialism...blah blah blah" but the funny part is, the problem with conservatism is....eventually you run out of other people's money to give to the wealthy! See Reagan deficits, Bush deficits, Trump deficits...
 
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