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The Religion Thread: A Believer-Atheist Alliance

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Kepler said:
That wasn't me. I think it may have been Rover.
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It was me. I still stand by it because when I talk to other Christians, they seem to all think that without the resurrection, Jesus fails to meet all the criteria for being Christ, Messiah, etc. as promised by God, and therefore he's labeled as yet another prophet rather than the Son of God.
 
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On a less intellectual note. Two daughters were supposed to fly into Milwaukee at the same time this afternoon from Nola and Atlanta. Late this morning I am notified that southern storms have cancelled both of their outgoing flights and that they will now have to fly into Chicago, one today and one tomorrow, one at Ohare and one at Midway.

Scrambling. With a lot of messaging and some one-way purchases using different airlines, one will be coming in this evening to Milwaukee and one tomorrow noon at Madison. Good enough.

So I'm feeling a little frustrated at the extra driving and disrupted plans, when I remember an old story I heard as a kid about a family's screwed up travel plans on Christmas eve day . . .

Merry Chirstmas all of you, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Athiest, Agnostic, Wiccan, Cornellian, or Republican.
 
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5mn_Major said:
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I agree 100% with everything you said (and have been advancing these tenants for months now...where I've seen few others advancing concepts like God=the Word and contextual issues).

The only thing I disagree with is your assumption of me being a literalist. Remember I'm the one guy that said that if Jesus didn't resurrect that it wouldn't change my faith (and in fact raised the possibility of the resurrection itself being a metaphor).
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I believe I said 'more of a literalist'. I grew up with Unitarian parents, reading a Bible that was New Age (45 yrs ago).
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My thoughts on this:

The purpose of the pre-Christ law I believe was as a reminder and focus to keep the God's adherents on the path. As in, we're in a club due to our code of laws. That was important to make sure that the whole concept was shepherded through difficult times. The tools at use here (laws) that are similar to other tools in the Bible. I'm of the opinion that some of that Paul did and said was instrumental in advancing the message through the early Aegean and into the Roman empire. Potentially his relevance today is secondary next to that of Jesus...but it was critical in getting Jesus' message across.

Again, the one paragraph begins with 'so what changed'. The answer is everything. And IMO that's both the crux of the discussion and why God is different here.
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The letters (Thessalonians, Galatians, and all the other place books) in the New Testament were to address how much was changed. Jesus didn't say chuck the whole OT. The Disciples spent a fair amount of time arguing about what He said to chuck out. There are conflicting instructions.
St. Clown said:
It was me. I still stand by it because when I talk to other Christians, they seem to all think that without the resurrection, Jesus fails to meet all the criteria for being Christ, Messiah, etc. as promised by God, and therefore he's labeled as yet another prophet rather than the Son of God.
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Read some of this a few days ago and have lost some of the quotes I mentally responded to- first- there were different sects of Christians- some believed the most important thing about Jesus was the Resurrection, others (Gnostics) felt the most important thing was NOT the Resurrection but what he taught in his lifetime. This went on until ~400AD (don't quote me on exact timeline) when the church went thru a major upheaval and the Gnostics lost the battle for supremacy. They were persecuted and removed from the church. At the same time the books to be included in the Bible were chosen and a number of Gospels were left out. Gospel of Thomas, Judah, etc.
Second- the Early Christians did not view themselves as non-Jews. They were Jews who believed the Messiah came. They weren't of one mind. They seem to have had different thoughts on what constituted a Messiah. One of the things I remember is the Sadducees were Sad-you-see because they did not believe resurrection was necessary or that it happened to Jeus. The Pharisees were all about the Law but not about the Spirit of the Law. They did things by rote which is why Jesus gave them such fits and why they tried to remove him.

Sorry for the ramble. Response is not necessarily to the quotes but general gist of the thread over last few days.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
"Obsessed by its Constitution"

I stopped reading here, though I should have stopped after the first paragraph alleging Christian persecution. This is laughable Russkie propaganda.
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Of course it is! As with all propaganda there are snippets of truth mixed with outright lies.

Glad you took it in the spirit it was offered.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
"Obsessed by its Constitution"

I stopped reading here, though I should have stopped after the first paragraph alleging Christian persecution. This is laughable Russkie propaganda.
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It's a really interesting example of full bore prop. Took a little stroll around the site. They do not aim for subtlety. They're a sort of NY Post for Putin.
 
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St. Clown said:
It was me. I still stand by it because when I talk to other Christians, they seem to all think that without the resurrection, Jesus fails to meet all the criteria for being Christ, Messiah, etc. as promised by God, and therefore he's labeled as yet another prophet rather than the Son of God.
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Well, yeah. Corinthians 15:12-19
 
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geezer said:
Well, yeah. Corinthians 15:12-19
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Circular reasoning FTW.

I think there are plenty of Christians out there for whom the Patristic Fathers' rather hamfisted attempt to retcon a clearly made-up resurrection to bring in the crowds rings false, but for whom Jesus' actual message is something they can get behind.

There's nothing wrong with stripping the hocus pocus out of the gospels and leaving the meat: "don't be a d1ck." Some might say the people doing that are likely a lot closer to Jesus than the ones who spend so much time straightening all the tassels and yet never quite get around to loving one's neighbor. :p
 
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Kepler said:
"don't be a d1ck." Some might say the people doing that are likely a lot closer to Jesus than the ones who spend so much time straightening all the tassels and yet never quite get around to loving one's neighbor. :p
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This is true. Religiosity is a cover for many of the world's purest *******s.
 
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